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Disorder
09-25-2009, 09:02
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9972437&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/


You wont see this on CNN or NBC, or even CBS... But when a school principle says a prayer before an event, or promotes any religion, they sacrafice the subject.. This is an outrage!

MAGGIO
09-25-2009, 12:03
you can sing songs and read books about everyother president, but not Obama?

Obama can not address schools, and children anymore. I thought that we used to celebrate our president.

Is it rascism that is holding us back, Is it that fact that rep dont like that a dem won?

Mr President
09-25-2009, 15:00
i'm pretty sure the song they used was jesus loves me, but replaced jesus with his name.

I'm trying to think back and remember the last time a school sang a praising song like that about bush, clinton, bush, reagan ect ect ect..

I have no problem with them having a special day for him, cause he is the President of the United States. But i think this is a little off the wall. Almost feels like i'm watching a news report from Iraq with saddam in charge.

But to be fair, i don't know too much about this. Just heard some of it on the radio..

But i have to ask, why the hell do people bring up race every freaking time someone stands up against him or his beliefs? It is so annoying. The country elected him President for crying out loud.. I can't believe people still are using the race thing.

It is our right and most of all our duty to question our elected officials. Sadly this country has been a sleep for a long time and now that people are paying attention and starting to question things, they are being called racist.

great idea, let's shut everyone up and let the Govt do as they please..

MAGGIO
09-25-2009, 15:45
The reason why it keeps coming up is because it TRUE. If you notice its white people saying it too not Black.

it can only be two things. Race, or Reps hating the fact that there is a dem in office.

Have you ever heard of a school system getting thousands of phone calls and threats because the President of the United States wanted to address them? No I dont think you have. He is the leader of the country. OUR LEADER, but I guess not to many Americans are happy about that. Remember only half of the country voted for him.

Minimus
09-25-2009, 17:02
F'ing racists.

Blackwater
09-25-2009, 17:05
The reason why it keeps coming up is because it TRUE. If you notice its white people saying it too not Black.

it can only be two things. Race, or Reps hating the fact that there is a dem in office.

Have you ever heard of a school system getting thousands of phone calls and threats because the President of the United States wanted to address them? No I dont think you have. He is the leader of the country. OUR LEADER, but I guess not to many Americans are happy about that. Remember only half of the country voted for him.


The President addressing all school children was not needed. Everything he said was redundant and has been told to children all their life. There was no need for it in my mind, that's all.

Now as for this teacher and principal who allowed this, I must say is rather disturbing. The principal has pictures of him all around the hallways and loves to talk about being at his inauguration. School is about learning, not about pushing your political beliefs on people.

Mr President
09-25-2009, 20:45
The reason why it keeps coming up is because it TRUE. If you notice its white people saying it too not Black.

it can only be two things. Race, or Reps hating the fact that there is a dem in office.

Have you ever heard of a school system getting thousands of phone calls and threats because the President of the United States wanted to address them? No I dont think you have. He is the leader of the country. OUR LEADER, but I guess not to many Americans are happy about that. Remember only half of the country voted for him.

Maggio what i'm saying is, anytime someone speaks out against him or his policies, they are being racist. It can't be due to the fact that our govt was set up as a 2 party system so we debate till the best possible solution, it's cause they are racist. That is what i am tired of hearing. I understand racism still happens, but it can't be used as an excuse everytime someone stands up and says no i disagree.

There are many things that i like about his policies, and there are many things i dislike. So does this make me semi racist?

I want the best possible person in office to lead this country. My children live here and i want them safe. I don't care if the man or woman is black, white, green or purple.. But if you are going to be my President then i have the right and duty to question you if i don't agree with something your doing..

as for the whole school thing, well now that i have looked into i have mixed emotions on it. too soon to comment about it. after i think it over good i'll make a post :)

MAGGIO
09-25-2009, 21:04
Maggio what i'm saying is, anytime someone speaks out against him or his policies, they are being racist. It can't be due to the fact that our govt was set up as a 2 party system so we debate till the best possible solution, it's cause they are racist. That is what i am tired of hearing. I understand racism still happens, but it can't be used as an excuse everytime someone stands up and says no i disagree.

There are many things that i like about his policies, and there are many things i dislike. So does this make me semi racist?

I want the best possible person in office to lead this country. My children live here and i want them safe. I don't care if the man or woman is black, white, green or purple.. But if you are going to be my President then i have the right and duty to question you if i don't agree with something your doing..

as for the whole school thing, well now that i have looked into i have mixed emotions on it. too soon to comment about it. after i think it over good i'll make a post :)

my kids are in school too. Did you mine that he make a speach to him? I didnt... I was brought up on the belief that you could be anything you wanted to be "even the president of the united states".

for people to protest a "national hero" is UN AMERICAN!

Presidents used to be relished, and adored...Like Truman, JFK, Washington, Kennedy, legends. We used to stand behind them, not listen to loud mouth criticts getting air time by television and radio stations trying to see more advertising.

Mr. P im not calling you anything even close to rascist, just dont jump on the band wagon because kids were singing a song about the new president.

Black: unkneeded, needed, who cares. If the president wants to address the children he has everyright, and he should be respected not disrespected.

parents wouldnt have protested bush talking to there kids cause hes a good ol boy who preached about good and evil (god and the devil)

MAGGIO
09-25-2009, 21:06
Maggio what i'm saying is, anytime someone speaks out against him or his policies, they are being racist. It can't be due to the fact that our govt was set up as a 2 party system so we debate till the best possible solution, it's cause they are racist. That is what i am tired of hearing. I understand racism still happens, but it can't be used as an excuse everytime someone stands up and says no i disagree.

There are many things that i like about his policies, and there are many things i dislike. So does this make me semi racist?

I want the best possible person in office to lead this country. My children live here and i want them safe. I don't care if the man or woman is black, white, green or purple.. But if you are going to be my President then i have the right and duty to question you if i don't agree with something your doing..

as for the whole school thing, well now that i have looked into i have mixed emotions on it. too soon to comment about it. after i think it over good i'll make a post :)

Maggio what i'm saying is, anytime someone speaks out against him or his policies, they are being racist. It can't be due to the fact that our govt was set up as a 2 party system so we debate till the best possible solution, it's cause they are racist. That is what i am tired of hearing. I understand racism still happens, but it can't be used as an excuse everytime someone stands up and says no i disagree.

There are many things that i like about his policies, and there are many things i dislike. So does this make me semi racist?

I want the best possible person in office to lead this country. My children live here and i want them safe. I don't care if the man or woman is black, white, green or purple.. But if you are going to be my President then i have the right and duty to question you if i don't agree with something your doing..

as for the whole school thing, well now that i have looked into i have mixed emotions on it. too soon to comment about it. after i think it over good i'll make a post :)

what ever happened to freadoms like speach, expression, and religeon? I guess its ok now as long as its behind closed doors.

Disorder
09-26-2009, 02:51
what ever happened to freadoms like speach, expression, and religeon? I guess its ok now as long as its behind closed doors.


Maggio... I thought better of you before this thread I started.. I should not have posted this as it has shown us just how racist you really are. As Ex President Jimmy Carter recently Quoted, if you are not in favor of this health care reform, you are racist.. What does that tell you on the racisim accusations being thrown around?? Especially from the Democratic party... If you are too blinded to see the corrution this administration is bringing out, I fear to suggest what I really think about your opinions. Let me remind you that this administration has refused to hear any negative imput to a health care plan.. what does that say?? I think that is very immoral and that the minority is trying to force something on the MAJORITY that is not wanted.. As for this petty song the school children are singing... That just gives proof that the cockroaches are starting to come out of the shadows lingering here in America... I believe the public schools should have prayer time, I belive they should sing Christmas Carols.. I do not believe they should teach politics in the class room.. Not towards Democratic, Independant, or Republican.... God help us.

MAGGIO
09-26-2009, 09:17
politics should be taught in an unbias way. the song shouldnt mean anything but what it is...a song praising the president of our country.

polling during the presidential campain indicated that 72% of americans wanted health care reform, so no one is shoving anything down the minorities throat.

maybe you dont need the help. maybe you think its fair for the insurance companies to charge a guy like me 700+/mo for family care?

I think there is rascism in the country, I think that there are ALOT of haters out there.

Why do we here things like "death panels"? Why is that principle getting "death threats". Why does the president simply wanting to tell kids to stay in school take up a weeks worth of news casts about parents threatening to pull their kids from school? Why do thousands and thousands of americans still think Obama is a terrorist?

Its not even the reps anymore, they dont have the power to make such an arguement...neither does the dems. its the hand full of so called tv personalities clawing for ratings that are causing soooo much trouble.

I know that my situation is like a majority of americans. I make wayyyy to much to get help, and not nearly enough to afford what i need as basics. My wife and I have two pretty good jobs, and we live in a modest townhouse, and have one care payment. Guess what....we can barely make it! I have to take up a second job just to get by. THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!

Mr President
09-26-2009, 09:22
my kids are in school too. Did you mine that he make a speach to him? I didnt... I was brought up on the belief that you could be anything you wanted to be "even the president of the united states".

for people to protest a "national hero" is UN AMERICAN!

Presidents used to be relished, and adored...Like Truman, JFK, Washington, Kennedy, legends. We used to stand behind them, not listen to loud mouth criticts getting air time by television and radio stations trying to see more advertising.

Mr. P im not calling you anything even close to rascist, just dont jump on the band wagon because kids were singing a song about the new president.

Black: unkneeded, needed, who cares. If the president wants to address the children he has everyright, and he should be respected not disrespected.

parents wouldnt have protested bush talking to there kids cause hes a good ol boy who preached about good and evil (god and the devil)


what ever happened to freadoms like speach, expression, and religeon? I guess its ok now as long as its behind closed doors.

Maggio your missing my point. I have yet to really comment on him going to this school and speaking. I clearly said i would think it all over and then state an opinion.

My comments about the racist stuff has nothing to do with him going to the school. it's about everything else. If you are against him in anyway then you are called a racist. That is all i am saying. I don't think that is fair to those people who are just trying to stand up advocating what they feel is right.

And your right, back in the day Presidents were treated with more respect. But let's remember the main thing here, back then the media was NOTHING like it is today. In truman's day, household TV's were rare. Now people have TV's in there bathrooms lol..

Media has changed everything about this country. good ways and bad ways. And Obama has himself on TV 20 out of the 24hrs per day. So he actually invited more criticism.

But again, when people's right to stand up and voice opinions goes away, we are in really big trouble. And just cause they voice an opinion does not mean they are being racist.. It means they are being American.

Mr President
09-26-2009, 09:32
I know that my situation is like a majority of americans. I make wayyyy to much to get help, and not nearly enough to afford what i need as basics. My wife and I have two pretty good jobs, and we live in a modest townhouse, and have one care payment. Guess what....we can barely make it! I have to take up a second job just to get by. THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!

Couldn't agree with you more on this. But the middle class has carried this country for ages. And until the people actually step up and make a change, nothing will ever change.

When Obama ran i was 50/50 with him. When he won i vowed to give him a fair chance and i have. I don't like many of the choices he has made. What i feel like is cause i work hard and make a decent living and get by that i should be taxed more to pay for those who don't. I have no issues with welfare. as long as it's used the way it should be used. It should not be used as a job though. People should get 1yr of help so they can find a job. After the 1yr, they are out of luck. There are plenty of jobs out there but why would people work when they can get money for free?

I understand that not all the jobs are classy job, but hell if i fell flat on my face and my family needed food, shelter ect ect my @ss would be working at Burger King or wherever i could earn money.. I wouldn't sit back and collect it for free.

I love to help out friends and neighbors in need. I do it all the time. But i don't think the Govt has any right to tell me who and how much i will be helping them, and then freaking tax me more to do it. This country is the most giving country in the world. this current administration care more about how other countries and people feel about us then our own country does.

How does it make you feel when all these other countries are standing up, (the ones who normally are quiet and reserved) pushing to stop Iran from getting nukes and our President says "well we won't do anything as long as you like us and don't say mean things about us".. Jesus people come on, the world is in a bad place right now.

ok i'm done :)

Disorder
09-26-2009, 10:34
politics should be taught in an unbias way. the song shouldnt mean anything but what it is...a song praising the president of our country.

polling during the presidential campain indicated that 72% of americans wanted health care reform, so no one is shoving anything down the minorities throat.

maybe you dont need the help. maybe you think its fair for the insurance companies to charge a guy like me 700+/mo for family care?

I think there is rascism in the country, I think that there are ALOT of haters out there.

Why do we here things like "death panels"? Why is that principle getting "death threats". Why does the president simply wanting to tell kids to stay in school take up a weeks worth of news casts about parents threatening to pull their kids from school? Why do thousands and thousands of americans still think Obama is a terrorist?

Its not even the reps anymore, they dont have the power to make such an arguement...neither does the dems. its the hand full of so called tv personalities clawing for ratings that are causing soooo much trouble.

I know that my situation is like a majority of americans. I make wayyyy to much to get help, and not nearly enough to afford what i need as basics. My wife and I have two pretty good jobs, and we live in a modest townhouse, and have one care payment. Guess what....we can barely make it! I have to take up a second job just to get by. THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!

I totally agree with you on alot of your points... I am with you for change, but not Fundamentally Changing the USA.. Obama, after the election, has surrounded himself with extreamist. Call them what you want, but they are trying to change the USA into something far away from what it was founded to be. Health Care has alot of room for improvement.. but not a Gov. run system.. they cant keep up with Social Security, The post office is constantly raising prices and now closing branches and laying off employee's, they are now selling GM cars and Truck.. I can go on forever, but I hope you get my point that I am a part of the majority here, that believes the Gov should not run every aspect of life.. I will fight for my right to live a free life and resist any type of Socialist/Dictatorship that I believe Obama is pushing for.

Mr President
09-26-2009, 11:04
I also agree that there is MAJOR room for improvement to health care. And i fully agree that it should not be Govt run.

There are more simple ways to go. Like open up the state borders and let true competition take place. Drug companies rule this country. they contribute the most to these presidential campaigns, so they get the most in return. So let's change that. Let's stop making campaigns about who spends the most wins and let's make it to who brings the most to the table and is better qualified.

I say if you want to run for President then you pay for it completely out of your own pocket.

also another issue i have is, if your a congressman or a senator and you run for President or any other job, then you must first leave the job you hold. You can not effectively do one job while running for another. last time i checked i can't do that where i work.. How about you?

Disorder
09-26-2009, 11:20
Your right.. seems like double dipping or getting paid for not doing the job you are paid to do.. and if you have that much free time as a congressman, maybe it should be cut back to part time, with part time pay and part time benifits.

Disorder
09-26-2009, 11:25
After looking at CNN and MSN home pages.. there are no articals or news on Health Reform.. Now I would like to know why these major news agencies are not talking about this issue.. I believe this is a MAJOR issue for the US people to be informed on the facts, so that we can make unbiased opinions on the issue..

Its creepy that they are hiding this info from us.. and its suppose to be a great plan and such.

MAGGIO
09-26-2009, 20:37
After looking at CNN and MSN home pages.. there are no articals or news on Health Reform.. Now I would like to know why these major news agencies are not talking about this issue.. I believe this is a MAJOR issue for the US people to be informed on the facts, so that we can make unbiased opinions on the issue..

Its creepy that they are hiding this info from us.. and its suppose to be a great plan and such.

I am glad the sh8t storm has calmed. You want facts and all just like I do, but the fact is there is NO BILL, or even a PROPOSAL out. Just a bunch of talks, and feelers.

"Death Panels"....really? Thats just not the kinda talk we need. its gets all the half witted people all rawled up...and I think we all know most people are half witted.

Xavior
09-26-2009, 20:41
This is kind of like how anyone who criticized Pres. Bush got called un-American or un-patriotic, so quite frankly, I see nothing worth arguing about here.

As for keeping people informed about Health Care reform, I absolutely agree that the media is not doing its job. When talking heads like Rush or Glenn can get people to march on Washington carrying signs with Obama with a hitler moustache, or openly calling Obama racist on their shows, or Sarah Palin whining about 'Death Panels', and this is front page news, you know there is something fundamentally wrong with the media in America.

Disorder
09-26-2009, 21:16
The death panel theory come from one of Obama's many czars that advise him.. And one of the top Health Care advisors wrote a book, and has admitted that there is a cost on a persons life, at every particular moment, and unfortunatly, once your old and can't work, its not worth sinking much money into caring for.. I will provide some factual information later on this.. but that is who our President is surrounding himself with.. You would not have learned that from CNN or the other left winged media puppets. We must rely on people as Palin, Glen, and Rush and Fox to investigate where the mainstream is to afraid to risk their reputations on.


:think:: You really think all of these people can just throw these lies around on public TV.. They would have been shut down due to so many Slandering law suits long ago if they did not report facts.


refer to this-- http://84rules.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/dr-ezekiel-emanuel-tries-to-tap-dance-his-way-out-of-his-own-writings/

MAGGIO
09-27-2009, 08:27
Maggio... I thought better of you before this thread I started...

dont be so tuff on me. its pretty hard to really get across our points with just a few lines of text back and forth.

I am sensable, reasonable, and understanding. I think we are just not getting each other on this one. no big deal.

people are just blowing stuff way out of proportion. Singing a song, addressing the schools...its not even that important compared to much bigger issues.

I just wish there was one place were we all could get the straight facts and really know what is going on with out opinion so that we could for ourselves make our own oppinions.

MAGGIO
09-27-2009, 08:35
The death panel theory come from one of Obama's many czars that advise him.. And one of the top Health Care advisors wrote a book, and has admitted that there is a cost on a persons life, at every particular moment, and unfortunatly, once your old and can't work, its not worth sinking much money into caring for.. I will provide some factual information later on this.. but that is who our President is surrounding himself with.. You would not have learned that from CNN or the other left winged media puppets. We must rely on people as Palin, Glen, and Rush and Fox to investigate where the mainstream is to afraid to risk their reputations on.


:think:: You really think all of these people can just throw these lies around on public TV.. They would have been shut down due to so many Slandering law suits long ago if they did not report facts.


refer to this-- http://84rules.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/dr-ezekiel-emanuel-tries-to-tap-dance-his-way-out-of-his-own-writings/

unfortunately for us for every interpretation of something there is a direct contradictory interpretation of the same thing.

the only thing we can to really know what is going on is the read every bill, who proposed it, who was on the commitee, and who voted for it.

listening to other peoples writings, and opinions only stears us in the direction they want us steared.

its a shame we are a society of money. in every aspect of existing money is the most important factor. Either you have it or you dont. It deplicts every aspect of existance. Not the way we all think it should be, but its the way it is.

BeeNo
10-01-2009, 03:55
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-28-2009/america--target-america

here's another side of the story. skip to about the 4th minute of the segment if you just want to see the part on the school children singing a song mentioning the presidents name.

i don't know, sometimes these things get blown out of proportion. personally i have a lot of faith in obama. i think he's a strong intelligent president, and is working us out of a huge recession.

Disorder
10-01-2009, 07:48
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-28-2009/america--target-america

here's another side of the story. skip to about the 4th minute of the segment if you just want to see the part on the school children singing a song mentioning the presidents name.

i don't know, sometimes these things get blown out of proportion. personally i have a lot of faith in obama. i think he's a strong intelligent president, and is working us out of a huge recession.

You can't see the massive corrution surrounding him and his administration?

Lord Burch
10-01-2009, 14:39
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-28-2009/america--target-america

here's another side of the story. skip to about the 4th minute of the segment if you just want to see the part on the school children singing a song mentioning the presidents name.

i don't know, sometimes these things get blown out of proportion. personally i have a lot of faith in obama. i think he's a strong intelligent president, and is working us out of a huge recession.

Ok...now THAT'S funny!! Working us out of recession? More like digging us in with trying for stuff we can't pay for like universal healthcare or reforms, etc.

We're going EVEN FURTHER down the hill than with Bush, which both Bush AND Obama I dislike. Working out of a recession, what a crock!

Blackwater
10-04-2009, 01:31
Ok...now THAT'S funny!! Working us out of recession? More like digging us in with trying for stuff we can't pay for like universal healthcare or reforms, etc.

We're going EVEN FURTHER down the hill than with Bush, which both Bush AND Obama I dislike. Working out of a recession, what a crock!

mhmm...be careful cause the recovery is most likely going to be a W type. When I say W it's because we first have a sharp decline, then a small recovery before a decline again and then the real recovery. The second drop will most likely be the Credit Industry, also watch out for inflation! If you can buy gold or other things that will go up in value unlike currency.