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Disorder
09-26-2009, 20:02
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/limbaugh_healthcare/2009/09/25/264926.html?s=al&promo_code=8A93-1
Limbaugh: Democrats Aim to Control People's Lives
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:17 PM
By: Rick Pedraza Article Font Size
Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh says President Barack Obama’s plan to control healthcare is a pivotal point in his quest to control every aspect of Americans' lives.
Limbaugh, appearing Thursday on NBC’s “Jay Leno Show,” said the Democratic plan will regulate everything that affects healthcare costs, right down to what Americans should eat, drink, and drive.
“We've got enough mistakes the federal government runs,” Limbaugh said. “We don't need to compound it with more programs. The market will take care of it[self] . . . there's no reason to turn it all upside down.”
The ulterior motive behind the Democratic plan to take over healthcare concerns Limbaugh the most.
“Forget the intricacies of healthcare,” he said. “If the government gets control of healthcare, that's the single best way that they get to control every aspect of our lives: what we eat, what we drive. It all will have an impact on healthcare costs — their responsibility via our taxes — and it's just a mechanism whereby government grows and grows and grows and we lose liberty and freedom to it. That's the single best way they get to control every aspect of our lives."
Limbaugh recalled the 2008 campaign, when Obama promised he would usher in a new utopia in America: no partisanship, no more red state/blue states — a post-racist with no more racial acrimony.
Instead, “Look at how divided this country is right now," he said. Obama’s "approval numbers are plummeting. People who voted for him did not think this is what they were going to get. Tell Obama, ‘No, we don’t want you owning car companies; no, we don’t want you running the banks; no, we don't want you taking over student loans; and, no, we don’t want nationalized healthcare.’"
The government should let the market take its course instead of bailing out segments such as the auto industry. “Let them do bankruptcy first, or go out of business. That's just the way it works. We haven't saved them; we saved the unions.”
Limbaugh chided Obama for what he called his “five-minute career” in which the president “never [ran] a business and is now running [a] car company.
“You know more about [running a car company] than he does,” Limbaugh told Leno. “You own more cars than Obama's ever seen. Just because General Motors goes under, it doesn't mean people can't buy cars. People already weren't buying the cars for a reason. The market will fix itself for people far better than a bunch of people in Washington with no experience in it, tinkering in it and trying to control it.
The $700 billion the government disbursed in the Troubled Asset Relief Program was a giant scam, Limbaugh said.
"If we don't give them $700 billion in the next 24 hours, the world financial system will crash," he deadpanned. Now, "we're hearing that if we don't do healthcare by August, the healthcare system will crash. No, we didn't need to give them $700 billion.”
The biggest problem the nation faces now, Limbaugh said, is the subprime mortgage crisis.
“The Bush administration tried to regulate this and tried to get this brought under control because it made no sense,” he said. “ACORN was out forcing banks — pressuring banks — to lend money to people that couldn't pay it back, all under the guise of, ‘We must have affordable housing.’"
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This article loses any credibility as soon as the line "Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh says" comes up.
;)
pretty much as soon as the drug addict hipocrit starts talking i stop listening.
Its loud mouths like him that are bringing our country down. Opinions with out facts, Bias, pot stirring etc, etc, etc....
Disorder
09-26-2009, 21:01
You totally look at who is saying what rather than what is being said.. thats the main problem here, seems you people are afraid to look at the facts and discuss what is accually happening..
Everything stated here is factual.. Please correct me if im wrong..
I took the time to read the article, and he speaks intellegently. The only big problem I dont believe is that with out some sort of bail out we would have fallen into more of a cycle of decline.
With out some sort of health care reform, drug companies and insurance companies will continue to over charge Americans while they set record profits.
we speak about prices on lives of the elderly. The insurance companies are the first to put that price tag on. hard working people like my parents cant even afford health insurance because of the costs. The drug companies are the second.
if my parents had health insurance they would possibly loose their home, and its not like they can downgrade, they are only paying 1200/mo for the house and the cost of insurance for both of them is 15-1800/mo. In maryland you cant even rend a one bedroom apt for 1000/mo.
the average US worker makes 50K, and their insurance is about 900ea/mo (or $10,800/yr), so your saying its ok for them to be charged 20% of their income for health insurance? Sounds like an american dream to me.
Disorder I would be interested to know how much you pay for health insurance?
Mr President
09-27-2009, 11:03
I took the time to read the article, and he speaks intellegently. The only big problem I dont believe is that with out some sort of bail out we would have fallen into more of a cycle of decline.
With out some sort of health care reform, drug companies and insurance companies will continue to over charge Americans while they set record profits.
we speak about prices on lives of the elderly. The insurance companies are the first to put that price tag on. hard working people like my parents cant even afford health insurance because of the costs. The drug companies are the second.
if my parents had health insurance they would possibly loose their home, and its not like they can downgrade, they are only paying 1200/mo for the house and the cost of insurance for both of them is 15-1800/mo. In maryland you cant even rend a one bedroom apt for 1000/mo.
the average US worker makes 50K, and their insurance is about 900ea/mo (or $10,800/yr), so your saying its ok for them to be charged 20% of their income for health insurance? Sounds like an american dream to me.
Disorder I would be interested to know how much you pay for health insurance?
I don't dispute that insurance and drug companies are out of control, but there are other things we can do besides having the Govt run health care. Open the borders and allow competition. I swear it's the easiest and will work very well. :) But nope, we are going to spend trillions of our childrens, grandchilrens, great grand childrens, great great grand childrens (ect ect) money.. It doesn't make any sense.
Mr President
09-27-2009, 11:07
I don't think you will see this get passed. Obama wasn't planning on having so many people fight him on it. He thought he could swing in and say yup this is what we are doing and everyone would just be ok with it... In fact i think he is hurting himself in a lot of area's.. He's on TV way to much. Holy crap it's like a daily sitcom or something lol..
Sadly the republicans don't really have anyone strong enough or good enough at this time to do anything better. So unless something drastically changes, Obama will win a 2nd term...
BUT, according to the history channel program i watched the other night, we are all dead in 2012 anyway.. So who cares :)
I don't think you will see this get passed. Obama wasn't planning on having so many people fight him on it. He thought he could swing in and say yup this is what we are doing and everyone would just be ok with it... In fact i think he is hurting himself in a lot of area's.. He's on TV way to much. Holy crap it's like a daily sitcom or something lol..
Sadly the republicans don't really have anyone strong enough or good enough at this time to do anything better. So unless something drastically changes, Obama will win a 2nd term...
BUT, according to the history channel program i watched the other night, we are all dead in 2012 anyway.. So who cares :)
what about Palin? IUH:::
:spam::
Mr President
09-27-2009, 18:05
As much as i think she's hot :blink: , i don't think she is as worthy as i did before. I like some of her ideas but i have disliked some of her actions since the campaign.
But there is lots of time and perhaps things will turn around.
Disorder
09-28-2009, 08:49
the average US worker makes 50K, and their insurance is about 900ea/mo (or $10,800/yr), so your saying its ok for them to be charged 20% of their income for health insurance? Sounds like an american dream to me.
Disorder I would be interested to know how much you pay for health insurance?
I believe insurance is a luxury, and should be treated that way. You can either have health insurance or not. Insurance is "incase something happens". It the same for Automobile, as it is for health care. Im very thankful to be able to have insurance. If I were to add up what insurance has covered for my family in the past 2 years, and subtract 80%, im still so far in the green with them that its rediculus. I am able to choose the Doctors I want to see based on their experiance, I can choose the Hospital and I have the option of using generic, or name brand medications. As the system is setup. I pay my premiums and my co-pays, in return I get the best medical treatment in the world. Why would I want to change that? Why would I want to support someone that wants to take that away from my family? Why would I want to risk loosing all the great doctors in this counrty only to have them transformed into hourly goverment workers? NO NO NO NO! This is a loose loose and no win option President Obama is trying to force on the American people.
Im with Mr P. Lets open the borders and allow everyone to shop for competitive rates on insurance. Lets work on fixing Medicare to where our elderly have a dependable source of insurance.. we owe it to them.
And to answer your question about my insurance. We have coverage through my wifes work. we pay 91.12 every other week for family medical. Her company covers about 80%. If I were to choose the option of having coverage through my work, it would cost about 20% more out of pocket.
Why are americans so hell-bent on not having "socialised" medicine?
I believe insurance is a luxury, and should be treated that way. You can either have health insurance or not. Insurance is "incase something happens". It the same for Automobile, as it is for health care. Im very thankful to be able to have insurance. If I were to add up what insurance has covered for my family in the past 2 years, and subtract 80%, im still so far in the green with them that its rediculus. I am able to choose the Doctors I want to see based on their experiance, I can choose the Hospital and I have the option of using generic, or name brand medications. As the system is setup. I pay my premiums and my co-pays, in return I get the best medical treatment in the world. Why would I want to change that? Why would I want to support someone that wants to take that away from my family? Why would I want to risk loosing all the great doctors in this counrty only to have them transformed into hourly goverment workers? NO NO NO NO! This is a loose loose and no win option President Obama is trying to force on the American people.
Im with Mr P. Lets open the borders and allow everyone to shop for competitive rates on insurance. Lets work on fixing Medicare to where our elderly have a dependable source of insurance.. we owe it to them.
And to answer your question about my insurance. We have coverage through my wifes work. we pay 91.12 every other week for family medical. Her company covers about 80%. If I were to choose the option of having coverage through my work, it would cost about 20% more out of pocket.
you have a good example of a sweet heart insurance deal. My wifes work covers only 50% and its not the best policy as far as cost is concerned, but what ever, I also have a pretty sweat heart deal. we are one of the lucky ones. VERY LUCKY!
When someone does not have insurance and they go to the hospital. THe hospital has to care for them. The hospital bills them what could be thousands of dollars. Guess what. They dont have to pay. It doesnt reflect their credit, and hospitals loose millions on unpaid medical bills. But there is a huge HITCH. Hospitals dont LOOSE anything, they just make up the loss by charging more for services. Guess who does pay? Medical Insurance companies. What do insurance companies do? Raise the rate even higher. Infact they have raised the rates on avg 4x faster than the rate of the avg income increase.
Who really pays the price? People like my parents who should be able to afford quality insurance, but cant!, and people like me who really need insureance for the kids and all, but can barely afford it even though our employer pays for a portion of it.
Who's making out? Insurance Companies, and Drug Companies. Oh and the people who dont have insurance and dont pay the bill when they need medical help.
I think that is more unfair to guys like you and I who are working hard and trying to do the right thing and be responsible.
I dont think I am for so much a gov. organization that provides medical insurance. I am for more regulation or some sort of change to the current situation. I also am for some sort of assistance to help those hard working blue collar americans that are being basically shut out of the health care system. Something to help assist families making from 20-80K on a sliding scale would be really nice.
In my state if you make 20k or less health care for you and your children is free. If you make 20,001...sorry so sad. maybe 20 years ago when the law was passed 20 did a lot, but no a days in MD, its not much. Mayby if you made 30K they could give you like 50% off, and if you made 80K you could get 5% off. Just extend Medicare and Medicade a bit on the requirements.
Mr President
09-28-2009, 16:04
Why are americans so hell-bent on not having "socialised" medicine?
Cause we are American's. We like to do what we want when we want and not have anyone telling us what to do and how to do it :) Normally i would say just kidding after this, but sadly it's true lol..
MOST American's don't like Govt being involved in there day to day lives and controlling every aspect of it. But it seems everyday we lose a little more and more of controlling our own lives.. And finally many American's are waking up to this fact and are standing up and fighting.. But of course, they are racist.. :)
Anyway, thats why things seems in such turmoil right now in this country. But it's about time people are standing up and saying NO!
I really spent some time last night reading up on things and i'm not so sure Obama will have a 2nd term. Even most of his own party is sitting on the side lines saying WTF? lol
If the Republican's can get someone decent, the dems are going to have a hard time.. I'm 99% sure they will lose control of the house too.. Nobody is very happy with there performance..
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.. Well enough of my commenting.. I need to get my butt moving and make the game changes and reset the round. That's all i'm good for anymore :(
But of course, they are racist.. :)
just for the record i was only citing the specific instances that involved obama addressing the school children, and possibly the obama song.
Mr President
09-28-2009, 16:20
lol i know.. i didn't put that in there cause of what you said, i put it in there cause that's what is said anytime someone disagrees with him..
This is the type of statements commonly used to try to scare people and use that fear to get you not to think about what is really going on.
The truth is this we are spending more money on health insurance than any other developed nation. And we're covering less people, and not providing as much coverage.
"socialized" health care is not an attempt to control peoples lives, and nobody is telling you what to eat or how to eat or what car you have to drive. That's simply slander.
If done correctly this will save us (the people) money, and cover more people.
Simply put.
Disorder
09-29-2009, 12:05
This is the type of statements commonly used to try to scare people and use that fear to get you not to think about what is really going on.
The truth is this we are spending more money on health insurance than any other developed nation. And we're covering less people, and not providing as much coverage.
"socialized" health care is not an attempt to control peoples lives, and nobody is telling you what to eat or how to eat or what car you have to drive. That's simply slander.
If done correctly this will save us (the people) money, and cover more people.
Simply put.
I would not mind paying double for the excellent heath care my family recieves... SO NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE.
your about the only guy i know who could afford double. its pretty nice to sit behind your employers sheild. What if you guys lost your jobs?
Disorder
09-29-2009, 13:48
your about the only guy i know who could afford double. its pretty nice to sit behind your employers sheild. What if you guys lost your jobs?
Both of us losing our jobs, highly unlikely.. but one of us.. we would have to cutback on some stuff.. internet for one, but not insurance.. how could you not afford to pay double.. look at what it cost to go to the doctor or ER.. Now look at the premiums you have paid.. I'll bet your on the better side of that.. I know, your going to argue that the prices are still to high to go to the doctor, and I agree.. but those guys have to endure more education than anyone in the workforce.. and I believe they should be paid well for the services they render..
and btw-- I can't strait up afford to pay double, if I had to pay double, it would be worth it rather than paying strait forward.
Unless you perform specialized medicine Dr.s dont make huge amounts of money AFTER they pay for malpractice insurance (which is a totally different arguement).
A typical policy at my age 31 for individual in my state MD is $300 per month. Over my life time the insurance company will make WAYYYYYY more money than I will ever use ON AVG. They are not in this to make zero money, they make huge profits. Btw family plan is $700/mo for our age w/ kids.
Once again 16%+ of the avg family income. OUT OF WHACK! Compared to years past medical insurance has never been that much of the avg income. taht is why we need REFORM. Public Option or not we need something.
Why are americans so hell-bent on not having "socialised" medicine?
Because they want to be miserable their entire lives.
Old news, but apparently people living in northern European countries with high taxes but more government services and 'socialized' healthcare are more happy :)
Now we too would be happy in Canada, but the stupid political parties keep calling elections every single ****ed year :(
Bram Gotink
09-30-2009, 12:19
Ah, Americans lollollollollol
No offense, but I'm glad I live in a European Welfare State, and not in the USofA.
Ah, Americans lollollollollol
No offense, but I'm glad I live in a European Welfare State, and not in the USofA.
I'm not happy I live in England (well I am but it's going to pot, civil unrest is only a small while away)
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