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Norrisville
07-28-2008, 01:44
well? should the law be revoked and.or rewritten to more clarificate this law.
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:00
kids shouldnt be exposed to threads/posts about drugs and their potential effects.
like, if i began posting how awesome MDMA is, how its literally one of the best drugs
there is and gives you an awesome sensation etc then they might want to take it...which
is wrong...they shouldn't be influenced and should make their own decision. as such i
believe we shouldn't post about drugs here so that under age kids dont get ideas.
however, the only underage kid here in this game is Chris so an easier solution would
be for everyone to put him on their ignore list/block him so he doesn't see any posts.
then we can talk about drugs freely :)
I'm not the only underage kid here and my parents don't monitor anything, actually I don't live with my parents soz...
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:07
I'm not the only underage kid here and my parents don't monitor anything, actually I don't live with my parents soz...
kids without parents and a house to live in need particular attention.
they have already started down a road which will eventually lead to them
being hobbos/tramps, living on the streets, surviving on scraps thrown to
them, joining LoR every set etc...
quite frankly i feel that kids should have to listen to some of the horror stories related to drugs. I have heard a few from some of the senior members of this community and i have elaborated on some rather wierd experiences myself.. It is something that children need to be exposed to kinda like guns they dont know the dangers and cant really put them into perspective until the open up a pumpkin with a 12 guage and their dad or someone tells them that that could be their head or even someone else's if they arent careful about their actions
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:11
quite frankly i feel that kids should have to listen to some of the horror stories related to drugs. I have heard a few from some of the senior members of this community and i have elaborated on some rather wierd experiences myself.. It is something that children need to be exposed to kinda like guns they dont know the dangers and cant really put them into perspective until the open up a pumpkin with a 12 guage and their dad or someone tells them that that could be their head or even someone else's if they arent careful about their actions
this is true. that is the reason why i made a drug related thread quite
some time ago, to hear about some of the "bad experiences" with drugs
(for example: "omg i took some acid, began tripping out and joined LoR
in Nation-wars...thats the worst trip i ever had and i constantly have
bad flashbacks about it and that experience and the decision i made during
it has put me off drugs for ever) and not just the "omg i see music in colours
and plants are teaching me about the reason of life etc omg i love shrooms/acid".
And speaking to some people really did put me off from ever contemplating
taking some drugs.
but at same time people should see all sides of the story. i really
recommend talking to Grendal Khan about some of them. I stayed up
till 10am yesterday talking to him about acid and marijuana and the
whole concept of illegality of drugs and their historical influence on
culture, history, politics, the development of society in the past,
present and future in generally.
if they banned everyone that talked about drugs and drinkin.... whos gonna pawn LoR? half of NW would be baned and it would die off.. honestly if they start banning people because they wanna talk about smoking pot... i might quit.
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:29
if they banned everyone that talked about drugs and drinkin.... whos gonna pawn LoR? half of NW would be baned and it would die off.. honestly if they start banning people because they wanna talk about smoking pot... i might quit.
i wouldn't be suprised if lots of LoR were on drugs too. My $ goes on some
hallucinagenic ****. would explain a lot. random "pre-emptive FS'es" on
innocent nations because they saw a reason no one else did (this is where
the hallucinagens kick in), killing innocent stocker tags etc etc :)
wait wait wait... innocent stocker tags? oh yah we killed lor stocker tags what was that NU or some ****?
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:34
wait wait wait... innocent stocker tags? oh yah we killed lor stocker tags what was that NU or some ****?
no n00b. NU/UFO/FIRE weren't innocent. Peeper was.
learn to read. Im saying LoR FSed innocent stocker
tags because they were probably tripping at the time
and thought it was a good decision to kill calvin.
Blackwater
07-28-2008, 02:39
I totally haven't been keeping up with things since I have no idea what this thread is about. Fill me in someone lol
Divine Intervention
07-28-2008, 02:47
I totally haven't been keeping up with things since I have no idea what this thread is about. Fill me in someone lol
-Z- ate some acid then began tripping out for like...12 or more hours and
was telling everyone on forums (made a thread) and on MSN about it :)
I don't see the problem behind it, I believe this is the first time that it happend. so i voted the fourth option :)
Mr President
07-28-2008, 10:20
I have received many complaints over the past month about the increased conversations of drug use. Not everyone wants to log on everyday and see a new thread about someone being high, or a post about how drunk they are bla bla bla. Kids and everyone in here are exposed to this kind of crap everywhere. Why is it such a big deal to have one place where you can go and not have to see it?
When it was an occasional comment here and there i didn't really mind to much. But my gosh, every time i log on the forums i read how drunk someone is or how high someone is. Is there nothing else in your life that you can talk about? I mean should it really be front page news that your drunk or stoned? To me that is a personal discussion that should be held in private.
Drugs are a part of life. Always have been always will be. Myself, i have never found any interest in doing them. I'm not saying your wrong for doing them, do as you wish. I'm simply saying i and many other people on the forums no longer care to read about you doing them.
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm simply trying to calm the drug threads down some. My name is tied to this game and these forums, and i don't want it to look like i approve these kinds of things when i clearly don't. Nobody wants to ban anyone. Nobody is going to get banned for making a comment here and there about drugs. Just chill out some on them is all i'm asking.
Ok, here is my view on this subject and then i am finished with it. When the rule is handed down that is how I will mod.
I have lost 2 friends to overdoses since May. I am a parent and I would not want my kids, however old they may be to see the threads where ppl in here are talking about how wonderful it is to do a certain drugor substance. If any of you have ever had to bury a lifelong friend that did this to themselves, you would seemy point.
I consider most ppl in these forums to be friends of mine and I am not looking forward to the day when we get a post saying so and so dies due to having been on drugs and did something stupid or died in their chair from doind too much of a certain substance.
I have been pall bearer in 2 funerals in the last 1.5 months and I refuse to bear that guilt again, because I didn't do or say anything when I had the chance. I know that many of you have had convos with me in the past about my having done the same thing, but I have never made them public nor will I ever. and being the age that I am, I have a different point of view than the rest of you.
But know this, if anyone here dies from it, you will see what I am talking about. It is not a pleasant thought to know that you could have at least siad something and now it is too late.
There, I have said my point and I will now no longer read this thread.
On a more lawyerly basis: Assumin the forums are hosted on a US based server, the forums are subject to US law and Mr. P is liable for them.
I do not know how far the first amendment or whatever streches, but I'm quite certain that exposing under-aged to positive comments, or even advertising, illegal substances (illegal i nthe US and not illagal in the country you live in) is just as illegal as doing the same with adult material.
So on the chance that for example some kid here gets caught doing drugs by his parents and they find this site on his pc.. they see threads where people rave on how cool it is to be high, they can sue Mr. Ps arse off.
Now sure how it is with alcohol tho. I gues its likely to be ok to talk about that, but thers chances its not.
On a more lawyerly basis: Assumin the forums are hosted on a US based server, the forums are subject to US law and Mr. P is liable for them.
I do not know how far the first amendment or whatever streches, but I'm quite certain that exposing under-aged to positive comments, or even advertising, illegal substances (illegal i nthe US and not illagal in the country you live in) is just as illegal as doing the same with adult material.
So on the chance that for example some kid here gets caught doing drugs by his parents and they find this site on his pc.. they see threads where people rave on how cool it is to be high, they can sue Mr. Ps arse off.
Now sure how it is with alcohol tho. I gues its likely to be ok to talk about that, but thers chances its not.
I wonder how many of you Use P2P technology to download and upload media...
Legality is not the issue I think. Morality perhaps.
Z
I wonder how many of you Use P2P technology to download and upload media...
Legality is not the issue I think. Morality perhaps.
Z
It is harder to trace where someone is downloading what than to sue a single guy owning a website. Especialy if its pissed off parents.
And mind you, i played a forum based game and a feater was that you could roleplay terrorist organisations. The host threatened to close it down if we did not remove that feature as they feared the wrath of the US government.
And that site had an active community a fraction of the size of NW
I wonder how many of you Use P2P technology to download and upload media...
Legality is not the issue I think. Morality perhaps.
Z
How the hell can you compare the two?
Have you ever buried a friend who died from downloading the latest Kid Rock song? Have you ever seen the devastating effects it has on a parent to lose their child to Downloading? Come on,. quit trying to justify it, there is no justification. You can compare apples to oranges all day long and you will still not get the point. Tell ya what, live thru it, I want to see your reaction when you have to go thru what I have. Don't look for any sympathy from me.
This is the mentality that ... nevermind. It is useless to try and reason.
rules are rules, one person owns the forums, so get over it. What ever the boss sais goes IMO.
ranger2112
07-28-2008, 18:10
Dogma
You and I have been ultra cool and always will. you are the only person here i have actually spoken to on the phone so i consider you up in my top three in this game as a friend. understand this, your friends deaths are very tragic, however, their deaths are on their OWN head, not yours or anyone elses. advocate and advertise drugs to underage kids....that is wrong.
But understand this, I AM SICK AND TIRED of having to watch what I say(not really here, just in general) because who might be listening. when did their rights supercede mine? when did I BECOME RESPONSIBLE for raising and nurturing anyone elses children? I AM NOT. If their parents have not done their job and made **** sure they do not abuse alcohol and drugs, then someone posting " Man I got so high last night it was sweet" makes them turn to drugs, there is a more serious issue in their lives that needs reconciling. I tried and still do a little drugs, and I DID NOT have some guys in a forum saying " man weed is great" it was my friends in RL. you all remember RL...that place we ALL used to hang out in before the internet.
STOP being PC...stop letting someone else's tragic mistakes force you to take what is said here personally..and STOP thinking this or any message board is gonna make someone turn to drugs just because someone shared their experience.
we live in a PC world and **** it....just everyone stop allready
Mr President
07-28-2008, 18:26
people people people.. lol
Dogma only posted his thoughts just so people knew where he was coming from. It wasn't meant to be a reason for this rule.
No it is not our job to raise other peoples kids, but as an adult, i hope that if my kid is somewhere and doing something he shouldn't there is an adult who will say something to him and not just say, hey it's not my kid. I do know what your saying though ranger. Perhaps if more people took responsibility for there kids, then the rest of the world wouldn't have to raise them.
This decision is not solely based on kids in this forum. It's based on EVERYONE who is in this forum. If one or 2 people sent me a msg and complained, then i would prolly not have said much. But when 10+ people start complaining then i have to do something. And honestly, they are right.
Cause i get tired of reading how drunk or stoned some of you are. yes it's a part of life, but i don't want to be reminded about that every time i log on here.
As for a legal stance, i'm not sure what would happen. People agree to an agreement when they sign up. But either way, i'm not ever going to condone drugs or alcohol usage in these forums.
And like i said before, my name is tied to these forums and this game. These days, Companies search people on the net to see what they are really. I don't expect these forums to be "leave it to beaver" clean, but they won't be full of crap either.
This rule is simple. It does not say you can't do drugs anymore or drink anymore lol.. All we are asking is you just don't continually tell people every time you do it. Is this really a problem? I mean i see 90% of you on MSN so i know you have it so why can't you send each other IM's and talk about how great that ride was.
And ranger you say your tired of having to watch what you say on here.. again, is this really a problem? The only time anything ever gets deleted or edited is when the F bomb is used or it's something really inappropriate like
racism or things like that. Personally i think these forums are 100% more laxed then the WoW ones were.
I'm sorry that some of you are not happy over this rule. But if not legally, i'm morally bound to enact it...
How the hell can you compare the two?
Have you ever buried a friend who died from downloading the latest Kid Rock song? Have you ever seen the devastating effects it has on a parent to lose their child to Downloading? Come on,. quit trying to justify it, there is no justification. You can compare apples to oranges all day long and you will still not get the point. Tell ya what, live thru it, I want to see your reaction when you have to go thru what I have. Don't look for any sympathy from me.
This is the mentality that ... nevermind. It is useless to try and reason.
good point.
no i have never lost a loved one to media piracy, I was just compareing the legality issue.
I have lost a loved one to drugs, and another to alchohol.
both dead...
It is quite sad... but I think they were happiest doing what they did... U know?
not that it was right... but who am I to judge...
Z
Mr President
07-28-2008, 18:39
Also i need to add this cause i keep forgetting lol..
This is not a new rule. This rule is already in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up. All we are saying now is, we will enforce it more..
You may NOT post anything related to illegal or inappropriate stuff like porn, warez, hacking, drugs, viruses etc. (including links)
Blackwater
07-28-2008, 18:56
good point.
no i have never lost a loved one to media piracy, I was just compareing the legality issue.
I have lost a loved one to drugs, and another to alchohol.
both dead...
It is quite sad... but I think they were happiest doing what they did... U know?
not that it was right... but who am I to judge...
Z
I have friends who have and some still are abusing drugs/alcohol. Talking to them, they weren't happy doing what they did, to them it was a larger issue, usually abusing something to deal with pain. Not only were they hurting themselves but their loved ones. The ones who are recovering feel a lot happier now then they ever did getting high/drunk. So don't try to justify their habit because it "made them happy". Look at the bigger picture and you'll see that a persons addictions hurt not only themselves but their loved ones which is a horrible thing to experience.
Also i need to add this cause i keep forgetting lol..
This is not a new rule. This rule is already in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up. All we are saying now is, we will enforce it more..
You may NOT post anything related to illegal or inappropriate stuff like porn, warez, hacking, drugs, viruses etc. (including links)
and as I said, I'm 95% sure (I'd be 100% sure if it was Germany, which is a lot more relaxed on that issue btw) that you are in the USA legaly responsible and liable for the postings on here. So you have the law on your side.
Might actually research it if i feel bored.
Just btw, any disclaimer saying that you'RE not liable for any posts here that you may have put up or we may have agreed to, is not legaly binding (again, as above) and thus won't protect you.
Don'T want to scare you tho. But i've seen some sites (lyrics, torrents etc)I use shut down even with those 'protections' such as disclaimers.
Highly unlikely anythign is ever gonna happen, but my point is that the members here have a responsibility for this forums and Mr. P.
I have friends who have and some still are abusing drugs/alcohol. Talking to them, they weren't happy doing what they did, to them it was a larger issue, usually abusing something to deal with pain. Not only were they hurting themselves but their loved ones. The ones who are recovering feel a lot happier now then they ever did getting high/drunk. So don't try to justify their habit because it "made them happy". Look at the bigger picture and you'll see that a persons addictions hurt not only themselves but their loved ones which is a horrible thing to experience.
Not everyone who use drugs abuse drugs.
I tried something, one time, to see how it was.
Z
You know what? **** it, talk about anything you want, Child Porn, fetishes, how great it is to get bombed out of your skulls every weekend and let the younger members of our community look up to you, that is your choice. I no longer give a ****. I will live to my standard and not expect anything but the lowest form anyuone else. That is what you are advocating correct? But when you look back at the difference you could have made and didn't, don't tell me about it. I know, I am going to hear that we don't have any younger members, but is that what we are going to do, exclude ppl less than a certain age from jioning? Where is the social responsibilty? What has happened to our society that your own preceived "right to speak and say what you want, when you want": ON A PRIVATE SERVER, trumps any responsibility we may have to our fellow man.
That is the major problem with our society today, kids killin kids, and the sort, everyone thinks they have the right to do as they please and ruck anyone else or how it may influence them.
Let it happen to one or your kids, then tell me that your rights trump any responsibility we have a adults in a society. I won't hear it.
And the only rights you have on this server ore those granted to you by the Owner. This is not a public entity that is cvered by the Constitution, it is covered by Mr. P's conscience. Like it or not, that is the way it is and there is not a **** thing you can do or say to change it.
Just immagine this is a bar and the owner is Mr. P.
Maybe that'll make some here realize how it is not really nice to talk about illegal stuff here and that Mr. P would have every right to throw you out if you were gonna do that, or harras the hot waitress.
Talk about kids turning to the darkside. If some 10 year old is reading this and sees that Dogma killed Superman, he'll turn to drugs for sure. Before you think I'm "high" or something, I'm referring to his signature. No, I'm not drunk at the moment. God save the Yankees.
ranger2112
07-28-2008, 21:03
yes this is mr p's forum
yes he has absolute control
yes he does show plenty bend in that control
yes i do not want my kids to do drugs/abuse alcohol
no they are smart enough to use their own head and make decisions based on their upbringing. do good kids go bad? sure all the time, however, it wasnt someone sharing their high story or hearing it in a rap song or listening to willie nelson. it was either because they were curious or were just trying to numb some pain.
my whole point of posting was not to bash the TOS about no excessine drug talk or to disparage anyones opinion or level of pain. it is simple, as a society we are becoming so PC that we cannot even express ourselves without fear some group will be offended and want to make a stink of it. that people make their own choices, good or bad. we can only help someone if the ask for it. forced help will always be met with resistance and a closed mind.
p.s. mr p...i didnt say watch what i say in here..in fact i put in parenthesi(not here really) to stress that the focus of my point was more using this thread as an example of my view of the world as a whole. :)
yes this is mr p's forum
yes he has absolute control
yes he does show plenty bend in that control
yes i do not want my kids to do drugs/abuse alcohol
no they are smart enough to use their own head and make decisions based on their upbringing. do good kids go bad? sure all the time, however, it wasnt someone sharing their high story or hearing it in a rap song or listening to willie nelson. it was either because they were curious or were just trying to numb some pain.
my whole point of posting was not to bash the TOS about no excessine drug talk or to disparage anyones opinion or level of pain. it is simple, as a society we are becoming so PC that we cannot even express ourselves without fear some group will be offended and want to make a stink of it. that people make their own choices, good or bad. we can only help someone if the ask for it. forced help will always be met with resistance and a closed mind.
p.s. mr p...i didnt say watch what i say in here..in fact i put in parenthesi(not here really) to stress that the focus of my point was more using this thread as an example of my view of the world as a whole. :)
And a closed mind is what I see. I am not advocating PC or whatever you call it, I am talking about social responsibility, there is none anymore and our society shows it, so ggo, do as you wish, no one else matters it is all about personal happiness. So be it.
I am done, but i do see there will be many more on m,y block list from now on. I CHOOSE not to associate with ppl that care so little of our society that their own agenda trumps what is right.And get my point I CHOOSE.
Saunders241
07-29-2008, 00:05
Just throwing my 2 cents in....
For what its worth, I can see both sides of this. Yeah, its gotten to the point where drugs of any sort as well as alcohol are pretty much just as much a part of our society as, say, sunday afternoon (american) football or college basketball or anything else like that. We all know someone who drinks too much, or might know someone who smokes weed and does nothing else or have lost friends or loved ones to overdoses (I'm lucky on that one, have known several who OD'd, and I've had alcohol poisoning a couple times, but no deaths). I mean, when one of the best shows on Showtime (Weeds) is a (kinda) comedy about a weed dealer, it's mainstream. Yeah, it sucks. But it's there and always will be, and no matter how much we try to hide it or the fact that some of us on here choose to use whatever drugs they want to or get drunk as often as they do. Alcohol is legal (at least in the US, not sure about other countries laws) at age 21, and there's currently a movement to legalize weed in California that actually stands a chance at passing. By saying we can't talk about drinking/getting drunk, or if it passes smoking up, its almost like the people who can legally do these things are getting punished because they choose to do something that isn't against the law (don't get me started on that one, I'm a proud cigarette smoker, and any smoker, at least in the US, knows what I mean by that).
But at the same time, I can see Mr. P's (and Dogma's) outlook on this. I don't know the ages of everyone on here, and who knows how many kids may look over their parent's shoulders at the forums while they're on here doing whatever and see how so-and-so is so high/wasted/baked/whatever. I know I wouldn't want to be the one to explain to my girlfriend's (or possibly one day my own kids) what someone ment by "rolling a fat one" or something like that. And I DEFINATELY wouldn't want to be in Mr. P's position, having to ultimately be the one who answers for what happens on his webspace. It can almost look like he condones stuff like that by letting them take place on here out in the open. I know some days it irritates me to get on and see the shoutbox full of stuff about how drunk someone is.
I support Mr. P. on whatever he decides to do, even though I'm not one of the more active forum members. I do have a suggestion if this keeps going though....Keep the ban on drugs/drunk talk on the main forums, but if its wanted, perhaps start a "Spam" section where stuff like this is allowed (definately no porn/warez/stuff like that, just more "grown up" topics), but make it known that the topics discussed aren't representative of the owners/non participating members of the forums/game, and that all members who post in that section are solely responsible for their actions. Then whoever wants to can post away about how drunk they got last night or whatever without having to subject people who want no part of it to any of it....sorta like how some video stores have a back room with the adult dvd's that you have to show id and choose to go into.
Mr President
07-29-2008, 01:15
Nice post...
I'm def not trying to punish anyone. I'm simply trying to clean up the streets a little. Not all members are excited to hear that so and so is stoned for the 17th time this week.
Nobody is outright banning talk of drugs or booze. I'm simply asking that we start talking a little less about it. I will never condone drug use or drinking to much and raving about how great it is on these forums.
Z's post was not the reason for this. I actually planned on saying something about it last week but i forgot. But his post was a prime example of what i am talking about.
Drugs are a part of our time now.. More then ever. It is sad, but hey... to each his own. But i am asking that we all have some respect for everyone else in here.. As some are not as fond of it as others. I see no reason why members who choose to talk about this can't make a chat room on MSN or AIM or whatever and discuss it there... You can call it " the doobie chat" :P
I mean, when one of the best shows on Showtime (Weeds) is a (kinda) comedy about a weed dealer, it's mainstream.
I never heared about anyone ODing on weed tho. Some scientists actually say its safer than alcohol.
But I still can'T see why there is actually a discussion on this.
Saunders241
07-29-2008, 08:06
I never heared about anyone ODing on weed tho. Some scientists actually say its safer than alcohol.
But I still can'T see why there is actually a discussion on this.
The Weeds thing wasn't meant as a statement about the drug itself, just saying that when a show about a drug dealer is as popular as Weeds is, then its kinda a sign that drugs are a part of mainstream society.....
kids shouldnt be exposed to threads/posts about drugs and their potential effects.
like, if i began posting how awesome MDMA is, how its literally one of the best drugs
there is and gives you an awesome sensation etc then they might want to take it...which
is wrong...they shouldn't be influenced and should make their own decision. as such i
believe we shouldn't post about drugs here so that under age kids dont get ideas.
however, the only underage kid here in this game is Chris so an easier solution would
be for everyone to put him on their ignore list/block him so he doesn't see any posts.
then we can talk about drugs freely :)
Kids are gonna be influenced even worse by the kids at school, so you can't stop them from doin anythin. If they're friends are doin it theres a good chance they will too.
ranger2112
07-29-2008, 09:20
And a closed mind is what I see. I am not advocating PC or whatever you call it, I am talking about social responsibility, there is none anymore and our society shows it, so ggo, do as you wish, no one else matters it is all about personal happiness. So be it.
I am done, but i do see there will be many more on m,y block list from now on. I CHOOSE not to associate with ppl that care so little of our society that their own agenda trumps what is right.And get my point I CHOOSE.
Dogma Dogma...brother
I am not saying we should all take to the streets unfettered by responsibility..living a bad 70's movie lifestyle. and I AM NOT CLOSED MINDED...closed mindedness is when someone cannot see beyond their own understanding of things nor tries. someone who, say was raised a certain way and believes that to be the only right way or maybe someone who has been through the ringer in life and has nothing but pain and grief to keep him/her company....those things can narrow your view. i do not advocate using drugs or abusing alcohol...understand this..i don advocate having full length convos on this forum about them either(((show me more than say three post other than this thread where i hve even mentioned drugs))) but what i do advocate is that society, govt and people in general seem to all thinki they know whats best for me whether i flicking like it or not....and that is MY ONLY FRACKING POINT!!!! yes we need to be socially responsible, however, when does it cross the line from responsibility to control?? when do i say to a friend "ok you are abusing booze..." after his third? seventh? 25th? force him into rehab? or wait til he kills someone by driving drunk? I understand that we all want to do right and feel like we could have done more to help someone....but dang when do u STOP? do you snatch the cigarette out of someone's mouth because someone u know died of lung cancer? do you snatch the fried foods from someone's plate because someone died of obesity? when does your social responsibility stop and my own civil liberties begin?
ranger2112
07-29-2008, 09:25
o and by the way...if you want to block me for expressing an opinion and "not associate" that is your god given right...but seems a narrow and "closed-minded" approach. when friends cannot disagree and have a productive conversations on opposite sides of the spectrum and come out the other end of it still civil...then the one starting the hostilities is the one with the issues, not the other participant. so please reconsider your position on this...since i am the type that can have a strong heated convo with someone and come out just fine, however, if someone chooses to "bar" me from their lives because my opinion differs from theirs then their company isnt and WILL NEVER be welcome.
I agree that all i pretty much saw was people *Cough * ANTON *Cough* Talking about drugs / being drunk etc... etc...
However, based on how much i see this being enforced, i'm gonna complain
And as always, i mean no offense to mr. p or dogma for that matter, but i am a firm supporter of certain drugs. Ie: my state name has been BaKeD for the past 2-3 sets, is that going to be modded just because we are now enforcing the rule more? And if so, thats bs, cause if it wasn't enforced then, it shouldn't be now because people have their 5 year old's on their laps while they are playing this game.
I am not saying i am mad, i know quite a few of the players who have small children, and i do agree that they should not be subjected to this kind of material. However, that is also not my problem. What i post is on me, what a child under the age of 18 reads, is on the parents. Mr. P Probably would not be held responsible as it is not his responsibility to monitor what underage kids are reading. Parents should be looking at every site their child goes to to make sure they are reading thigs that they agree with. Now that is a very broad statement, but i'm just saying, it makes sense in my mind.
Mr President
07-29-2008, 11:25
You guys are all missing the point here... Let me be clear.
Myself and several other forum members are tired of reading who is drunk and who is baked. We don't care anymore. So please stop telling us every time you are. And to help you out with that, i have asked the mods to step up there enforcement of a ALREADY SET RULE.
Nobody is saying that you can't ever make a comment about drugs. All we are asking is, please stop telling us when your high or drunk and how great it is..
I kinda thought some would have read between the lines in my posts on this. :wall:
ranger2112
07-29-2008, 11:36
maybe u r missing MY POINT. I dont care if the word drug is NEVER allowed on here again...i was simply using this thread as a platform to address a larger RL issue that we are dealing with as a society as a whole.
but to be clear on the enforcement of the TOS on this matter
no speaking of ILLEGAL substances or abuse of legal substances is ok? so if i say man i just got back inside from smoking a cigarette then since it is illegal for someone under 18 to smoke then i should be edited because it may influence underage folks to smoke.. not nitpicking, just wanna know what is ok and what isnt. as soon as u censor folks u have to either go whole hog or not at all.... just want some clarity
Mr President
07-29-2008, 11:40
but to be clear on the enforcement of the TOS on this matter
no speaking of ILLEGAL substances or abuse of legal substances is ok? so if i say man i just got back inside from smoking a cigarette then since it is illegal for someone under 18 to smoke then i should be edited because it may influence underage folks to smoke.. not nitpicking, just wanna know what is ok and what isnt. as soon as u censor folks u have to either go whole hog or not at all.... just want some clarity
Myself and several other forum members are tired of reading who is drunk and who is baked. We don't care anymore. So please stop telling us every time you are.
Nobody is saying that you can't ever make a comment about drugs. All we are asking is, please stop telling us when your high or drunk and how great it is..
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ranger2112
07-29-2008, 11:42
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i know, just couldnt help myself....hope your ears didnt get too red with frustration....:)
Norrisville
07-29-2008, 13:21
I apologize for even making this thread... but Dogma, you had to know there would be some questioning buddy. I will follow this rule now (I actually didnt see this in the TOS the first and only time I read it), and all of you shouold just keeping the hilarious drunk convos to MSN lol
btw does the chatbox count? cause anton deserves a ban if so :)
well, I hhave worked with at risk kids for over 10 years, and I have yet to see one instance ONE INSTANCE where when drugs or alcohol got invilved that there was a good outcome. I don't give two good goddams if an adult wants to fry their brains to the point they spend the rest of their lives drooling, I really don't. My whole point is kids and dammit if everyone wants to turn this into some sort of arguement for civil rights and civil liberties. That is complete bull****. When dealing with KIDS, you do not have the same liberties that you have when dealing with adults. You have the right to have sex with any adult you want, do you have that right with someone underage?? if you think your rights give you that, go try it. Tell me how that turns out. This whole **** arguement is about exposing KIDs to the glorification of drug use. Dammit people, thisa was not intenged for anyone to use as a platform for any other bull**** social commentary. If you want to raise your own social issues start a thread on it, don't jump my awss for doing what I feel is right, and I don't give a **** who says what my opinions herre willnot change. I am an advocate for trying to help kids and all that that entails, so, do what the **** you want, I don't give a ****, I can look myself in the mirror and kow I am standing by what I believe.
So, wait. You don't want discussion of drugs or racism, real world issues, but excessive cussing is a good thing? I'm not sure I follow the logic.
Also, everyone jumps on my *** about almost everything I put in these forums, especially you, so I'm glad to see the tables turn a little. Seriously, what's with all the cussing? Your mouth has gotten dirtier than my brother's bong water.
ranger2112
07-29-2008, 14:28
well, I hhave worked with at risk kids for over 10 years, and I have yet to see one instance ONE INSTANCE where when drugs or alcohol got invilved that there was a good outcome. I don't give two good goddams if an adult wants to fry their brains to the point they spend the rest of their lives drooling, I really don't. My whole point is kids and dammit if everyone wants to turn this into some sort of arguement for civil rights and civil liberties. That is complete bull****. When dealing with KIDS, you do not have the same liberties that you have when dealing with adults. You have the right to have sex with any adult you want, do you have that right with someone underage?? if you think your rights give you that, go try it. Tell me how that turns out. This whole **** arguement is about exposing KIDs to the glorification of drug use. Dammit people, thisa was not intenged for anyone to use as a platform for any other bull**** social commentary. If you want to raise your own social issues start a thread on it, don't jump my awss for doing what I feel is right, and I don't give a **** who says what my opinions herre willnot change. I am an advocate for trying to help kids and all that that entails, so, do what the **** you want, I don't give a ****, I can look myself in the mirror and kow I am standing by what I believe.
i fully agree with what u say about children safe. I AM ALL FOR THAT!!!
but it is impossible to do that, i am afraid. glorification of drugs? how about glorification of death and dismemberment talked about EVERYDAY on these forums...is someone, say Chris, gonna start maiming people and hijacking a jet to bomb someone? either we agree that people, including kids, will do what they want regardless of what is said then point is made. THIS VERY GAME glorifies killing...yes its text based, however it still does that...almost every video game glorifies killing and you are the best when u have killed the most....so saying glorifying drugs here will cause kids to turn to them is simply not the way it is.....
Ok, now you are arguring for its own sake so you may continue to have your rants, this subject is closed ot me.
ranger2112
07-29-2008, 14:58
well, Dogma, I am sorry I upset you, however, I will not apologize for having the opinion i have. that is the point of an open forum..to discuss these things.
i fully agree with what u say about children safe. I AM ALL FOR THAT!!!
but it is impossible to do that, i am afraid. glorification of drugs? how about glorification of death and dismemberment talked about EVERYDAY on these forums...is someone, say Chris, gonna start maiming people and hijacking a jet to bomb someone? either we agree that people, including kids, will do what they want regardless of what is said then point is made. THIS VERY GAME glorifies killing...yes its text based, however it still does that...almost every video game glorifies killing and you are the best when u have killed the most....so saying glorifying drugs here will cause kids to turn to them is simply not the way it is.....
The argument of killing vs. drug use is a bit sketchy in my opinion. Killing is a moral wrong, while drug use makes you feel good. I think there's a big difference between giving someone's kid a joint, and shooting him in the face. Yes, yes, drugs kill people too, we know this. And I don't agree that excessive talk of beating someone senseless with a baseball bat while stabbing them in the eye with an icepick while simultaneously digging out pieces of their flesh with a rusty screwdriver is necessarily any more appropriate than rolling a nice, fat, sticky joint, kicking back, and listening to some Floyd while allowing the world to melt around you. My point? I think there's room for both drug talk, and violence, as long as neither gets too descriptive, and I think this is the point Mr. P is trying to make.
well, I hhave worked with at risk kids for over 10 years, and I have yet to see one instance ONE INSTANCE where when drugs or alcohol got invilved that there was a good outcome. I don't give two good goddams if an adult wants to fry their brains to the point they spend the rest of their lives drooling, I really don't. My whole point is kids and dammit if everyone wants to turn this into some sort of arguement for civil rights and civil liberties. That is complete bull****. When dealing with KIDS, you do not have the same liberties that you have when dealing with adults. You have the right to have sex with any adult you want, do you have that right with someone underage?? if you think your rights give you that, go try it. Tell me how that turns out. This whole **** arguement is about exposing KIDs to the glorification of drug use. Dammit people, thisa was not intenged for anyone to use as a platform for any other bull**** social commentary. If you want to raise your own social issues start a thread on it, don't jump my awss for doing what I feel is right, and I don't give a **** who says what my opinions herre willnot change. I am an advocate for trying to help kids and all that that entails, so, do what the **** you want, I don't give a ****, I can look myself in the mirror and kow I am standing by what I believe.
Dogma if there are "kids" on here reading this, not my problem. IT IS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL THE AGE OF 18!!! If there are underage kids playing this game ( and i know there are.) Then they obviously have permission from their parents OR their parents don't know/ don't care. Once it reaches that point, i can talk about how high and drunk i am all i want. If they read it, sucks to be them if they try drugs. I have had friends od on drugs, i know what its like. Don't think your the only one with a sob story dogma, and i know you will stand by your beliefs, but so will i. Marijuana is a good drug, and the only one i will ever do again. I tried other stuff, harder stuff. It was not worth it, and i agree, kids should not do it, nor hear about it. If they do tho, its not my problem.
Missionary
08-01-2008, 21:53
my state name has been BaKeD for the past 2-3 sets, is that going to be modded just because we are now enforcing the rule more?
forums and ingame are completly differnt, having one word in your state name is alot differnt from a thread of people saying im stoned n crap. plus i think there are alot worse state names atm than 'baked'
I never heared about anyone ODing on weed tho. Some scientists actually say its safer than alcohol.
But I still can'T see why there is actually a discussion on this.
thats because they are stupid, the toxins within 1 cigarette/joint is massive and doesnt even compare to the amount of toxins in alcohol.
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