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I realize that this is a joke, but this notion that poor people are lazy and thus should not recieve any help at all in my opinion is simply absurd..
edit: You know what, forget it. This is way too personal, and if you just don't 'get it' by now, I won't even bother explaining.
Dogma, I must agree With Xav.
Alot of people are poor and work hard.
Unlike Republicans who want socialism for only the wealthy (bailouts), I agree with the democrats that socialism should (If used at all) be used in an equal fashion among those who are in need.
Z
Alot of people are poor and work hard.
Texas is a very large state. I live in the second poorest county in the state. Next poorest would be the county in far south Texas where all of the illegal immigrants come into the state.
Sure, some poor people work hard but A LOT do not.
A LOT.
There are plenty of jobs to be had here though and if you haven't had a job for the past 20 years and are in your 50s, YOU SHOULD NOT GET WELFARE.
((disability non-withstanding))
Did this say ANYTHING about poor? NO! You know I cannot understand what is so hard to understand the different between LAZY and POOR.
** was a joke and I won't try and explain it. I thought it was funny.
northbabylon
10-29-2008, 16:43
i chuckled
Being poor is the requirement of welfare, along with tax breaks. The requirement isn't laziness. Anyone can see how this links welfare to lazy people, which is linking the poor to the lazy.
@ Green:
Yes, i've seen people who use their welfare checks to buy alcohol and what not. I know from personal experience that some people are very lazy and have no wish to get ahead in life, but I also see some people who hold 2-3 jobs and try to support themselves the best they can but must depend on government assistance.
But can you come up with some figures which show that A LOT of poor people are lazy?
This joke just struck me as poor taste, but I could be overly sensitive to these issues.
So now Halloween is a description of Welfare? Come on Xav, quit trying to read between lines that aren't even there.
Does Canada not have Halloween? Where kids knock on doors and trick or treat?
No one is denying that some ppl need help. but when you have generation after generation of families on it just to take advantage of the system, and there is no reason other than they know how to work it, that they get it, THEY SHOULD NOT GET IT!
That my friend is LAZY and they are poor because of it.
An able bodied person with reasonable intelligence should be able to get some type of job. I have no problem with someone who is working and not making it having some help, but to just give it away because someone says they need it? That is crap.
PROVE you can't do it, rather than just form a line.
So, you are telling me that if you work your *** off and go to college and do all the right things to be successful and you have a neighbor that you KNOW for a fact is perfectly capable of working but just doesn't, you are willing to pay his way? And all his kids and their kids and thieir kids for all time???
So now Halloween is a description of Welfare? Come on Xav, quit trying to read between lines that aren't even there.
Does Canada not have Halloween? Where kids knock on doors and trick or treat?
No one is denying that some ppl need help. but when you have generation after generation of families on it just to take advantage of the system, and there is no reason other than they know how to work it, that they get it, THEY SHOULD NOT GET IT!
That my friend is LAZY and they are poor because of it.
An able bodied person with reasonable intelligence should be able to get some type of job. I have no problem with someone who is working and not making it having some help, but to just give it away because someone says they need it? That is crap.
PROVE you can't do it, rather than just form a line.
So, you are telling me that if you work your *** off and go to college and do all the right things to be successful and you have a neighbor that you KNOW for a fact is perfectly capable of working but just doesn't, you are willing to pay his way? And all his kids and their kids and thieir kids for all time???
In Canada we have trick or treat.
In Canada We have Welfare.
In Canada you can not just live off welfare for years!
(I had no idea it was like that in the states...)
In Canada not many people can get welfare because there is a strict rule and every case is examined in detail for months before any money is paid.
then on a monthly basis EVERY CASE is reviewed, and eventually Welfare is cut off.
Welfare is only to help get a person in order for 1-2 years MAX.
America is pretty messed up if people are collecting welfare for 20 years.
Wow...
Make some laws for gods sake, set standards, regulate...
Z
In Canada we have trick or treat.
In Canada We have Welfare.
In Canada you can not just live off welfare for years!
(I had no idea it was like that in the states...)
In Canada not many people can get welfare because there is a strict rule and every case is examined in detail for months before any money is paid.
then on a monthly basis EVERY CASE is reviewed, and eventually Welfare is cut off.
Welfare is only to help get a person in order for 1-2 years MAX.
America is pretty messed up if people are collecting welfare for 20 years.
Wow...
Make some laws for gods sake, set standards, regulate...
Z
Yes, Z, that happens here. That is the kind of welfare we are opposed to, the abuse in the welfare system and the fact that there are many that know how to work the system, just because they can. That is a drain on the entire system that needs to be stopped.
You have people on welfare here that their families have been in it for years. Some have never even had to try and work. These are the parts of welfare that the conservatives want cut. The "not so conservative" Want the system expanded and that buys votes. If one party is trying to not only keep you on it, but give you a raise and the other party wants you to go to work, which would you vote for?
No one believes that the truly poor ppl from circumstances beyond their own control, indeed by all means, help those people as much as you are able to do so, but the fat in the system, needs to be trimmed.
Indeed... that doesn't seem right at all...
In Canada U get cut off if you don't try to make something of your life, and u end up a bum.
Who are these people that are happy with living off welfare?
I could go for beign broke as **** for some months, but for years... thats nothing anyone wants.
Is it immigrants?
or citizens?
and how many in #'s are on welfare in america?
like 100k? I have no idea... 200K?
Z
Shabaz K
10-29-2008, 20:14
lmao sryy Z but i have to disagree, **** i work in Owen Sound family business, some people are living on 2nd-3rd generation on welfare lol. they dont cut you off at all lol. you should see Quebec lol
Indeed... that doesn't seem right at all...
In Canada U get cut off if you don't try to make something of your life, and u end up a bum.
Who are these people that are happy with living off welfare?
I could go for beign broke as **** for some months, but for years... thats nothing anyone wants.
Is it immigrants?
or citizens?
and how many in #'s are on welfare in america?
like 100k? I have no idea... 200K?
Z
Z, you would notbelieve hom many ppl are on welfare here. In New York alone, there are 341,000 recipients of some srt of cash assistance.
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Employment 9,058,440 [3rd of 52]
Gross State Product > Current Dollars $899,660,000,000.00 [2nd of 56]
Median Earnings for Male Full-Time, Year-Round Workers $44,101.00 [13th of 51]
Median Family Income $56,556.00 [16th of 51]
Median Household Income $47,349.00 [16th of 51]
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Percent of Children Below Poverty Level 20.7 % [15th of 51]
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Unemployment rate 4.7% [21st of 52]
Welfare Caseloads > Percent change in total families -8.6% [46th of 54]
Welfare Caseloads > Percent change in total recipients -12.6% [47th of 54]
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People get on it, they never get off.
Majority of these ore citizens but there are plenty illegals also buying into the same lifestyle. That is what needs to stop, the abuse of the system. It is not a holdover till you get on your feet. It's retirement.
Granted, there are some I am sure that don't abuse it, but the abuse makes it more difficult for ppl to get on it if necessary as the rolls are so full
But can you come up with some figures which show that A LOT of poor people are lazy?
I can come of with figures to prove that Elvis did not love bacon, but what's the point?
Divine Intervention
10-29-2008, 20:52
I can come of with figures to prove that Elvis did not love bacon, but what's the point?
i dispute this fact. prove it plz.
Here Mr. Presley is looking nauseous shortly after smelling bacon.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/bettyramone/elvis_presley1.jpg
Clearly, this is proof that I like chicken over beef as well.
lmao sryy Z but i have to disagree, **** i work in Owen Sound family business, some people are living on 2nd-3rd generation on welfare lol. they dont cut you off at all lol. you should see Quebec lol
hold on, you live in Owen Sound?
I live a 25 min drive from Owen Sound...
and I was not aware of all that...
How does a person not get cut off? thats ****ed.
****ing welfare should be abolished.
Z
How does a person not get cut off? thats ****ed.
****ing welfare should be abolished.
Z
Quoting this so it doesn't get lost or edited. lol -_-
Quoting this so it doesn't get lost or edited. lol -_-
Yeah I think I will save that one too. May come in handy
I do not understand how even close to 1% of people can be on Welfare!
wtf...
Obviously millions of people are not lazy as fluff.
some people are yes (you could even argue that I am a lazy person)
but I would have to say that the maj. of people... If they see their parents on welfare as they grow, and they are poor... wouldnt thay want somthing better!?
maybe there is some reason...
poverty breeds poverty, I mean, when you are surrounded by poverty it is difficult to find connections that will improve your situation...
So we should eliminate Welfare and use that money for programs that Help people improve their situation, instead of just handing out cash.
send them to school, anything but cash handouts.
Z
but I would have to say that the maj. of people... If they see their parents on welfare as they grow, and they are poor... wouldnt thay want somthing better!?
You'd be so suprised.
nNiIcCkKoO
10-29-2008, 21:29
Dispute this as much as you like here... but the vast majority of poor people are lazy.
For this vast majority they are poor because they are not intelligent enough to hold a successful job. Xavior says that some work 2-3 jobs a week, and still need welfare. What on earth do they work as?
But more importantly, these people ARE in fact lazy. Look at it from the beginning. You go to school, if your lazy you dont go, and you dont get a proper education. These uneducated people are the ones getting the low paid jobs and need the welfare. So how is it my fault that they were too lazy to get a proper education to earn themselves a proper well paying job? It is quite obvious. You can say that poor people are hard working battlers, but they arent. They may be now, but they werent in their most important years. They are only working hard now because they have to, and when they didnt (school) they chose not to. Thus making them lazy, I am CERTAIN if they could get welfare without working these 2-3 jobs THEY WOULD. They are lazy, lazy, lazy...
No person who went through school and graduated would need to work 2-3 jobs a week and need welfare to survive, it not logical. These people just took the easy street in their younger years and are now paying the consequences. They deserve what they get.
But look at this, if you really wanted to get off the welfare you would take undertake training while on this welfare so you could get a better job, that pays more.. But does anybody do that? No. These people always travel down easy street because they are lazy..
ooga booga
10-29-2008, 21:44
I do not understand how even close to 1% of people can be on Welfare!
wtf...
Obviously millions of people are not lazy as fluff.
some people are yes (you could even argue that I am a lazy person)
but I would have to say that the maj. of people... If they see their parents on welfare as they grow, and they are poor... wouldnt thay want somthing better!?
maybe there is some reason...
poverty breeds poverty, I mean, when you are surrounded by poverty it is difficult to find connections that will improve your situation...
So we should eliminate Welfare and use that money for programs that Help people improve their situation, instead of just handing out cash.
send them to school, anything but cash handouts.
Z
Welcome to your first republican view :) lol Democrats are known for wanting to increase welfare, and just hand out cash to people that don't deserve it and take advantage of it. Sure some people need it, but the amount of people abusing it completely outnumbers the people that deserve it. Republicans for the most part oppose welfare, and yes, we would rather invest that money spent into getting these people educated properly, etc.
You know the saying, "If you give a hungry man a fish, he will be good for a day. But if you teach a hungry man how to fish, he will be set for life." That sort of applies here. It's nice to see you actually agree with us on something. :D
Welcome to your first republican view :) lol Democrats are known for wanting to increase welfare, and just hand out cash to people that don't deserve it and take advantage of it. Sure some people need it, but the amount of people abusing it completely outnumbers the people that deserve it. Republicans for the most part oppose welfare, and yes, we would rather invest that money spent into getting these people educated properly, etc.
You know the saying, "If you give a hungry man a fish, he will be good for a day. But if you teach a hungry man how to fish, he will be set for life." That sort of applies here. It's nice to see you actually agree with us on something. :D
Hey Z, I know that had to sting a little. But what he says is true.
I know, I am on public assistance,but it was not my choice. I am in a different situation, I did work for 25 years and paid into the system and also took care to make sure that if something like this did happen to me, I would be able to survive. I am not rich, but neither am I destitute. I depend on what I get from the Govt in order to survive, however, I don't look for more, I am not constantly feeding on more and more of the public teet. BUt there are those that do.
Back problems are the sux. :(
I had back surgery 2 years ago. :P
Not as bad off as you are, but it still sucks! -_-
Dispute this as much as you like here... but the vast majority of poor people are lazy.
For this vast majority they are poor because they are not intelligent enough to hold a successful job. Xavior says that some work 2-3 jobs a week, and still need welfare. What on earth do they work as?
But more importantly, these people ARE in fact lazy. Look at it from the beginning. You go to school, if your lazy you dont go, and you dont get a proper education. These uneducated people are the ones getting the low paid jobs and need the welfare. So how is it my fault that they were too lazy to get a proper education to earn themselves a proper well paying job? It is quite obvious. You can say that poor people are hard working battlers, but they arent. They may be now, but they werent in their most important years. They are only working hard now because they have to, and when they didnt (school) they chose not to. Thus making them lazy, I am CERTAIN if they could get welfare without working these 2-3 jobs THEY WOULD. They are lazy, lazy, lazy...
No person who went through school and graduated would need to work 2-3 jobs a week and need welfare to survive, it not logical. These people just took the easy street in their younger years and are now paying the consequences. They deserve what they get.
But look at this, if you really wanted to get off the welfare you would take undertake training while on this welfare so you could get a better job, that pays more.. But does anybody do that? No. These people always travel down easy street because they are lazy..
I can only say things which I have seen myself. My parents have several rental properties in our town, and the tenants are usually on the poor side. Yet my parents still rent to these people even if they sometimes have trouble meeting payments on their rent. I have seen how hard some of these people work yet still cannot afford these payments. I have grown up and looked up to them because my parents always stressed that if you work hard you will have a good life, because that is their story. They came to Canada with $50 in their pockets and we now live comfortably in the middle class. And when I see that these people work 2-3 jobs yet cannot support their family I do not turn a blind eye and say my tax dollars should not be put to use and help these people. Maybe as Green says, the poor people where you live are lazy bums. But not where I live, and I will never say that poor people are lazy.
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 00:33
I can only say things which I have seen myself. My parents have several rental properties in our town, and the tenants are usually on the poor side. Yet my parents still rent to these people even if they sometimes have trouble meeting payments on their rent. I have seen how hard some of these people work yet still cannot afford these payments. I have grown up and looked up to them because my parents always stressed that if you work hard you will have a good life, because that is their story. They came to Canada with $50 in their pockets and we now live comfortably in the middle class. And when I see that these people work 2-3 jobs yet cannot support their family I do not turn a blind eye and say my tax dollars should not be put to use and help these people. Maybe as Green says, the poor people where you live are lazy bums. But not where I live, and I will never say that poor people are lazy.
You really dodged my real point didn't you.
My point is, these people that you in fact say are not lazy, actually are/were. If you read what I said, it all stems back to their education, or lack of and their laziness back then to make the most of it. That is why they are now poor
And I want to add this...
No matter what I say or think, I still have the greatest respect for both you and your parents for doing what you are doing. It is a highly noble deed, and one that I feel strongly about. It is good to see that there are still people out there willing to give the less fortunate a chance. :)
Nic why is someone lazy just because they are working a low income job?
Someone needs to work low income jobs!
and there are alot of low income jobs all across the country!
Fast food, cleaning, cooking, factories, grocery stores, all sorts of retail stores, and services, gas stations etc.
If we all were educated to make 100k+ a year job then who would work the ****ty jobs that run at 20k or 30k?
I dont understand how you can just doom 1/3 of the population to being lazy because we do not have enough high paying Jobs to support them.
suppose 90% of people are not lazy, and want to work hard for a better life (this is my supposition)
then who would work in all thoese low income jobs, that need to be filled?
Your argument seems flawed.
I am not saying some people are not lazy, some are.
but not the majority of low income people.
Z
I would have to say that there are probably almost as many Lazy wealthy people in positions of power and educated as there are lazy poor people.
You can be smart and lazy at the same time.
and you can be stupid and a hard worker at the same time as well.
Wealth and fortune is not distributed on the basis of effort and intellect alone.
In my Utopia it would be...
Z
Hey Z, I know that had to sting a little. But what he says is true.
I know, I am on public assistance,but it was not my choice. I am in a different situation, I did work for 25 years and paid into the system and also took care to make sure that if something like this did happen to me, I would be able to survive. I am not rich, but neither am I destitute. I depend on what I get from the Govt in order to survive, however, I don't look for more, I am not constantly feeding on more and more of the public teet. BUt there are those that do.
Its not a sting... I take no offence to the fact that I agree with Republicans on this issue.
I was unaware of it, and I will admit my ignorance, and thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I do not feel that the funds should be simply Cut, but that the funds going to welfare should instead be cut off after a certain time period, (or cut by 10% say each month, after a certain time) then thoese funds should be put into training and education.
thats my opinion
I am a very socialist person. Not that Pure socialism is perfect, but I feel a deep need for social programs, and equality and community values.
I do not see motive in self preservation and individual profit as a good thing.
So I will say, Hurry for the Republicans for trying to fix this...
cheers!
Z
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 04:00
The only part you didnt get was that I suggested that they WERE lazy, and possibly may not be NOW.
If they WERE lazy during their education then because of that they have been stuck with low paying jobs. If everyone was well educated things would be a lot different, the world would be completely different compared to what it is now, lets acknowledge that. So.. to solve the problems of low income jobs... who knows? Maybe one of these well educated types invented robots to do all of this? It's all hypothetical really.
But the point is, at one stage or another, these people were lazy. Many rich people may be lazy now, but at some point they put the effort in to get rich.
No one is saying just cut it out. Yes there has to be a transition period for ppl who know nothing else. They have to be trainied or re educated to do something productive. No one is heartless enough to advocate just stopping sending the checks.
The only part you didnt get was that I suggested that they WERE lazy, and possibly may not be NOW.
If they WERE lazy during their education then because of that they have been stuck with low paying jobs. If everyone was well educated things would be a lot different, the world would be completely different compared to what it is now, lets acknowledge that. So.. to solve the problems of low income jobs... who knows? Maybe one of these well educated types invented robots to do all of this? It's all hypothetical really.
But the point is, at one stage or another, these people were lazy. Many rich people may be lazy now, but at some point they put the effort in to get rich.
There's more to getting a job than education. There are pleny of Rich people who have been lazy all their lives. Wealth is also inherited. If my dad had $100million in the bank, it wouldn't matter if I was hard working or not when I stood to inherit it all.
Even if you could automate those low paying jobs, you'd then have to commit genocide on anyone below a certain level.
There's more to getting a job than education. There are pleny of Rich people who have been lazy all their lives. Wealth is also inherited. If my dad had $100million in the bank, it wouldn't matter if I was hard working or not when I stood to inherit it all.
Even if you could automate those low paying jobs, you'd then have to commit genocide on anyone below a certain level.
Well said Will.
Z
There's more to getting a job than education. There are pleny of Rich people who have been lazy all their lives. Wealth is also inherited. If my dad had $100million in the bank, it wouldn't matter if I was hard working or not when I stood to inherit it all.
Even if you could automate those low paying jobs, you'd then have to commit genocide on anyone below a certain level.
So, if you were in line to inherit $100 million, would you then not deserve the fruits of your parents or you grandparents' labor? if they so decided to leave it to you? Would you give it away just so you wouldn't be a beneficiary of their work and give it to the poor just because it is "right"?
So, if you were in line to inherit $100 million, would you then not deserve the fruits of your parents or you grandparents' labor? if they so decided to leave it to you? Would you give it away just so you wouldn't be a beneficiary of their work and give it to the poor just because it is "right"?
Would I? hell no.
but that doesn't mean that I "deserved" the money or that I was hard working.
So, if you were in line to inherit $100 million, would you then not deserve the fruits of your parents or you grandparents' labor? if they so decided to leave it to you? Would you give it away just so you wouldn't be a beneficiary of their work and give it to the poor just because it is "right"?
the thing is...
according to capitalism, each person benefits from what that individual can do and or achieve,
how much effort u put forth is what u get back.
But since we have this thing called a family, individualism is really a false ideal.
The way that people all over the world get inheritance, it lays waste to the idea that each person will reap what the sow.
And its not even just your parents.
If my great great great grandparents were very wealthy, do you think that I would have nothing today?
Z
Does it change the fact that it is yours, and not the neighbor down the street that collects aluminum cans and a govt check?
Does it change the fact that it is yours, and not the neighbor down the street that collects aluminum cans and a govt check?
No it does not...
But does the person who inherits the money and does nothing, deserve it more than the person who does nothing and collects aluminum cans?
And hey there is alot more to collect than cans, I once collected a large amount of old screens from windows, and door frames, ripped them all apart seperated the aluminum from the other metal plastic and such, and traded it all in at the scrap shop for over 500 bucks, it was a trailer full, took me like 3 days of full work to do it all.
Z
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 19:43
Furthering on from Will's point.
You can inherit all the money in the world, but that doesnt mean you would know how to use it.
I would say that if I gave 100million to an incredibly poor person they would blow it all in less than a year, with no real investments being made. You need to know how to use money once you get it, thats something that these rich people know how to do, through education.
The average poor person is by his very nature extremely frugal. Every penny counts for him, so short of him being tricked there is no way he would lose 100million in a year.
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 20:20
Lottery winners sound familiar to you? How many of those have blown all their money on impractical things?
I might add, neither you nor I can prove that a poor person would be either waste the money or use it wisely, it would be entirely up to them as everybody is different.
Most lottery winners in the UK get about 20million at most, and none of them are truly "poor"
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 20:24
If you give a bum on the street $100. What is he/she more likely to buy?
Alcohol or Bread? Alcohol of course, its in their nature and it is all that they know. Now you translate that money to $1,000,000.
Are they more likely to buy extravagent items or invest in shares? The extravagent items of course.
Shabaz K
10-30-2008, 20:27
wow so every bum is like that eh!
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 20:30
Well if Will is going to make statements that every poor person is frugal, I am going to say every bum is an alcoholic.
Shabaz K
10-30-2008, 20:32
dont think he said every, i read there average, and i have to agree with Will
Strawman.
I said the average poor person is frugal, not every single one.
with 1 million here you could live quite easily for 50 years, without investing any of it.
Divine Intervention
10-30-2008, 20:35
indeed :p. infact thats what we do...my mum doesn't work...we just have all our money in bank and live of interest :cool: then when i graduate and get a job..ill have a paying job..+ all that interest money coming in...swoooosh.
p.s. although i do have to point out shes not lazy...just she can't speak english very well...im sure if she conquered her language problems (which im helping her atm) and got the needed qualifications shed re-enter her field of specialization where she worked before meeting my dad :)
Shabaz K
10-30-2008, 20:37
join the club dude:dblthumbup:
Divine Intervention
10-30-2008, 20:38
join the club dude:dblthumbup:
currently looking at ways to avoid inheritance tax :dblthumbup:
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 20:40
Strawman.
I said the average poor person is frugal, not every single one.
with 1 million here you could live quite easily for 50 years, without investing any of it.
Therefore you are suggesting that anybody above $20,000 a year (after tax of course) does not need Government welfare.
Yet I am quite sure people earning that amount of money per year would be on welfare.
Shabaz K
10-30-2008, 20:42
wow i wanna move to your country
Divine Intervention
10-30-2008, 20:44
Therefore you are suggesting that anybody above $20,000 a year (after tax of course) does not need Government welfare.
Yet I am quite sure people earning that amount of money per year would be on welfare.
you need to re-check the strength of the British pound vs the (American i assume in your statement) dollar :)
it gets even more practical if you just put it in bank for a nice % :cool:
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 20:52
Will said $1,000,000 so I took it that it was his currency. So 20,000 pounds per year.
And he also suggested that they would not need to invest it (meaning no bank deposits accruing interest).
I still think any person on 20,000 pounds per year would be on welfare payments.
Divine Intervention
10-30-2008, 20:56
average wage in UK is like 25k pounds a year i think...i don't know for sure but id be seriously suprised if someone on 20k pounds a year was on welfare. that would be ****ed up. people on such wages might have benefits...for example i know that depending on what income bracket you are in you get extra support as student at Uni..but welfare for an adult earning 20k pounds?
nNiIcCkKoO
10-30-2008, 21:11
Welfare "Welfare is financial assistance paid by taxpayers to people who do not support themselves. Some welfare is general, while specific and can only be invoked under certain circumstances, such as a scholarship."
This therefore means that any benefit received from the Government is welfare. So I am still certain that anyone on $20k a year would receive some form of welfare.
Divine Intervention
10-30-2008, 21:14
Welfare "Welfare is financial assistance paid by taxpayers to people who do not support themselves. Some welfare is general, while specific and can only be invoked under certain circumstances, such as a scholarship."
This therefore means that any benefit received from the Government is welfare. So I am still certain that anyone on $20k a year would receive some form of welfare.
in UK 20k $? maybe. 20k pounds? not likely at all. With things like scholarships etc...remember that the student isn't earning 20k of anything ;) so cases like that are irrelevant to our discussion.
anyway, in relation to an earlier point..someone on 20k pounds a year does not require welfare imo. not at all.
I proudly pay more than 50% of my income to the Danish welfare state. Repaying society for the free college education, health care, social benefits during my time of unemployment, helping needy Danes and giving all Danish kids a good upbringing etc. etc.
However, I did find the cartoon funny: Disagree with the generalisation of the poor, but it was great as a political statement, i.e. it says more about the sterotypical viewpoints that some ppl (mostly those born with a golden spoon up their ***) got on poor ppl, than it says anything about how poor ppl generally are....imo ;)
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