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The Liberal party has teamed up with the New Democratic Party(socialist), and the French part of our government, to overthrow the Conservatives!
Woot!
there is a chance it will not work... but I hope it Does, even tho Dion is a big *****.
Z
piss off?
does that work in this instance too?
piss off?
does that work in this instance too?
Huh?
Z
northbabylon
12-04-2008, 02:12
think it does mahdi, i think it does.
think it does mahdi, i think it does.
lol, is he trying to say, he doesnt care?
Its late for me... Insomnia again.
Z
This has never happened In Canadian History...
It is quite interesting... democracy at its best...
Seeing as 60+% of canadians voted for someone other than the Conservatives, thoese 60% + votes are coming together to make a government.
Z
Grendel Khan
12-04-2008, 06:53
It is rather interesting. I wonder IF the USA election result untied a few already stirring groups. It MAY have been a catalyst.
but..... ndp sucks >.<
but so do the liberals, and so do the conservatives!!! ugh. democracy at it's worst. =p
this almagamation better come up with some proper ****ing solutions or I think us peoples of canada are just going to have to overthrow the government all together!
or you could come enjoy amerika with all of us yanks
I wonder if Z has a degree in political analisys? If not then he should STFU! The speculative BS that is coming out of his ignorant mouth is stinking up the place time and time again.
Blackwater
12-04-2008, 12:38
So let me get this straight...you say having multiple main parties in politics is a good thing yet here we have an example of sore losers not allowing the rightful victor take his place. They should change the constitution so the top two canidates have a second election so things like this don't happen.
Having more than 2 parties is a positive in my opinion. It allows for much more comprimise if we have a minority government.
This however is politics at its worst. We pay these guys $100 000 a year to go do something in Ottawa and they spend all day yelling at each other in the House. We have the Liberals with their Lame Duck Leader teaming up with the Socialists and the French Separatists (whose only goal is to separate from Canada) wanting to overthrow the rightly elected Conservatives.
Now the Conservatives may have brought this on themselves by playing hardball with their budget, but there is no excuse for this type of game playing. I am very happy the Governor General stepped in and stopped this before it got out of hand.
Now we pay our $100 000 a year representatives to have ANOTHER vacation until the end of Januaray, where the Conservatives will either have to stop being ******bags, or we will end up in ANOTHER election.
Didn't someone here say they wanted to be a politician?
here here xav!!!
truth is, they are only teaming up to overthrow the conservatives. once the ends is accomplished by the meanz they will be right back to bickering about the most useless thingz while the real issues at hand, the economy, immigrations, health and welfare, take a side note to pride. :eyeroll:
Its not right at all for parliament to be suspended for 2 months.
Having more than 2 parties is obviously a good thing.
If The conservatives had formed a majority government, then this oulw have been impossible to do.
When Parliament resumes (2 months? wtf) I hope the coalition is still going to vote yes :-)
Z
Bram Gotink
12-05-2008, 13:30
The one thing that I don't understand with the USofA is why they only have two parties...
The one that gets the most votes, gets to form the entire government.
No such thing if you have more than two, like we have. You have to team up to get to 50% majority (or 66% if you want to change something to the constitution). atm, we have a government of a whole bunch of parties : VLD, CD&V, N-VA (they quit a couple of months ago, so count them out), PS, MR and cdH.
All of that to make sure that the biggest winners of the last elections (LDD and VB) would not get a chance to govern. Why? B/c those two parties would definetly have split up Belgium 1.5 yrs ago... N-VA wanted that too, but they decided to give it one last try (guess we failed, they quite the government)
w/e, this is a thread about Canada,
I just wanted to let you know that this doesn't happen in Canada alone.
All I can add about Canada is : Go ! Canada rulz!
PatriotPino
12-05-2008, 16:16
i was learning about this in my law class..
the only thing that can stop NDP & Liberals from taking over is the governor General (represents the queen)
She is the only person that can decide which party can run canada..Right now, PM harper is crying to her (not literally) to choose conservatives..
i was learning about this in my law class..
the only thing that can stop NDP & Liberals from taking over is the governor General (represents the queen)
She is the only person that can decide which party can run canada..Right now, PM harper is crying to her (not literally) to choose conservatives..
Essentially you are correct.
However the GG can only postpone, and delay, she can not acctually make and decisions.
At best for the conservatives, if the coalition continues its plan in Jan, she can grant the Con men another election.
::pitty::
It is interesting that it comes to this... England is essentially a moderator in Canadian affairs, with powers to make change, but not create policy.
For those who think this is a horrible thing, and un-democratic... IMO this is democracy at its best.
if this was not allowed to happen, then we could have any minority controlling the whole country.
This IS a non-confidence Vote... and It can not be done if a majority still hold confidence in the Con men.
The votes that will cast out Harper represent a Majority of the citizens, otherwise it would not be able to happen.
if a majority of the citizens of canada have lost confidence in Harper, (which seems to be the case in my area) then why would we keep him in office?
Do we look like fools? this is not the USA,
this is how a political system should work.
:o
Z
*sigh* I don't care much for the conservatives but I don't care much for the ndp and their election compaign which was entirely hate propaganda against harper. lame lame and more lame.
as far as the whole democratics system is set up, I approve. and the whole new way of voting we have now which does things in steps is pretty nifty.
p.s. can someone fill me in o nthe whole.... parliament being suspended for two months??? wtf and why? we're in the middle of an economic crisis!!! ****ing *******s. >.< They've lined their pockets and know that whether thngs blow over or the apocalypse comes they'll be fine. Selfish, ignorant pricks! without a country to serve what purpose will they have in life!?
*sigh* I don't care much for the conservatives but I don't care much for the ndp and their election compaign which was entirely hate propaganda against harper. lame lame and more lame.
as far as the whole democratics system is set up, I approve. and the whole new way of voting we have now which does things in steps is pretty nifty.
p.s. can someone fill me in o nthe whole.... parliament being suspended for two months??? wtf and why? we're in the middle of an economic crisis!!! ****ing *******s. >.< They've lined their pockets and know that whether thngs blow over or the apocalypse comes they'll be fine. Selfish, ignorant pricks! without a country to serve what purpose will they have in life!?
Harper went to the Governor General and asked for it.
it was to prevent the vote that the Coalition was about to have, that would loose confidence in him and his government.
Z
I wonder if Z has a degree in political analisys? If not then he should STFU! The speculative BS that is coming out of his ignorant mouth is stinking up the place time and time again.
Maggio, WTF r u talking about, nothing that I posted in this thread is speculation, I am a Canadian.
Are you still angry from last set!?
From the Best of my knowledge, you cannot obtain a degree in "Political analysis"... LOL
Z
you can earn a degree in pretty much anything you want. a lot of schools allow students to work with an adviser to build their own program.
you can earn a degree in pretty much anything you want. a lot of schools allow students to work with an adviser to build their own program.
lol...
wow...
Political analysis...
anyway, I am not really analyzing here, just basically reporting and hopeing to discuss...
it was a slick move harper pulled, but if anything bad happens in canada between now and end of Jan, it might be bad for him.
If not maybe confidence would be restored, but I am rooting for the coalition.
Z
you could always go on strike
Z..... you can obtain a degree in political analysis... though it's more likely one facet of the entire political program. But I know they do have a degree called "political science" and even a diploma at the college I went to. Which is basically.... all about how politics works.
Satan666
12-06-2008, 19:56
I wonder if Z has a degree in political analisys? If not then he should STFU! The speculative BS that is coming out of his ignorant mouth is stinking up the place time and time again.
forgive me for what i'm about to say, I'm siding with Z on this one. I'm sure if our opinion were only valid if we had a paper to prove it, then no one could talk to anyone about anything. Point is Z has as much right to comment about Canadian Politics as any American to Complain or support our government (as i know many threads have been made for/against the US government).
If you still believe what you did prior to your comment, I guess you should make a suggestion for a place to somehow add to your profile what you have a degree in so we know who we can ignore because they haven't gained a degree in what they are talking about.
Shabaz K
12-06-2008, 21:46
well back onto the topics, ****in Cons.
i would luve to seea coaltion, its a librel contry people not Cons. so kick them out.
plus the Bloc is taking it easy, now the whole Quebec knows the government hates them.
Quebec has known since they first formed that the government hates them. They're a bunch of ignorant frogs who should sht the **** up and admit already that they lost 200 years ago and there ain't nothing they can do about it.
The liberalz just need to stop stealing our moneyz =p but then again. they all need to stop stealing our money by going on a two month frickin' hiatus. >.<
Blackwater
12-07-2008, 00:35
I still see this as the other parties being sore losers. Of course you won't get a majority vote to one party with that many parties. Just accept the winner and do what you want in Parliament. Gear up for the next election and try and pass a change to the constitution where the top two vote getters go on to face off in another election in like two weeks or so. That way no one can complain afterwards
I still see this as the other parties being sore losers. Of course you won't get a majority vote to one party with that many parties. Just accept the winner and do what you want in Parliament. Gear up for the next election and try and pass a change to the constitution where the top two vote getters go on to face off in another election in like two weeks or so. That way no one can complain afterwards
I do feel for the Conservatives... and I am hearing your view Blackwater...
well... It is far from a perfect move by the Liberals...
IMO what is the most uncool is the 2 month delay in parliament...
It changes nothing, only delays...
If the Liberals had waiting for a new election the damadge would allready have been done.
Canada is a great country IMO, maybe not as powerful as America, but culturally diverse, beautiful and peaceful. Our quality of life is great.
Now as opposed to before this years elections, I am not trying to be-little America, now that you have chosen a smart man (whatever his party might be) to replace the Monkey you had elected to lead your country; America has alot of respect from me. (not that it matter to alot of you, just saying)
But Canada... we are doing well... very well, on alot of fronts, and much of that has to do with our history of liberal leaders...
Of course you won't get a majority vote to one party with that many parties.
To Blackwater directly, I must say: The liberals had a majority Government for many years...
It is true that Canada is a liberal country, and for this we can be thankful.
I was reading the Toronto Star today... and the reason that the coalition formed is because the measures that Harper and his conservative government were pushing thru the house and parliament were so different than what Canada is and has been all about (he cut 45M of funding to Arts programs in canada for 1 example, comparable to 400M US, due to per capita difference).
The conservatives were trying to make canada a conservative country.
That is not what canada is. they would have had to make so many changes that canada would more closely resemble America!
No socialized medicine, no equal funding of education. Keep the poor, poor and maintain the wealth of the rich. (this is the goal of the conservatives)
I am not saying that Canada is not a capitalist country.
A good capitalist society retains the principles of capitalism, but also uses the benefits of capitalism to help provide opportunity for everyone equally, independent of social class, or financial situation.
This is Canada.
I love Canada.
Z
Quebec has known since they first formed that the government hates them. They're a bunch of ignorant frogs who should sht the **** up and admit already that they lost 200 years ago and there ain't nothing they can do about it.
The liberalz just need to stop stealing our moneyz =p but then again. they all need to stop stealing our money by going on a two month frickin' hiatus. >.<
I know its a running joke in Canada to Dis the French... but IMO having the french here has helped to create Canada the way it is, and the way I like it, a social country, forced this way in essence but a multicultural environment, which in turn leaves so much room for all of these other cultures to move here over the centuries.
Z
Z i do care about how you feel towards the united states, i care how much everyone cares about the united states because i dont like the way it is headed, not saying that having obama the next president has anything to do with it but the way it has been headed for several years.
As for canada it is interesting to see the things going on up north as someday i do plan on visiting without getting kicked out
Z i do care about how you feel towards the united states, i care how much everyone cares about the united states because i dont like the way it is headed, not saying that having obama the next president has anything to do with it but the way it has been headed for several years.
As for canada it is interesting to see the things going on up north as someday i do plan on visiting without getting kicked out
does that mean that you have been kicked out of Canada!?
LOL, not too many people can say that...
Z
yes I have been kicked out of canada... and how many of you here can say you have been through both Canadian and US Customs?
to hell with bars i get kicked out of countries
yes I have been kicked out of canada... and how many of you here can say you have been through both Canadian and US Customs?
to hell with bars i get kicked out of countries
lmao, I need to hear about this.. was it in Niagra? Sarnia? msg me on msn next time u see me
Z
I know its a running joke in Canada to Dis the French... but IMO having the french here has helped to create Canada the way it is, and the way I like it, a social country, forced this way in essence but a multicultural environment, which in turn leaves so much room for all of these other cultures to move here over the centuries.
Z
The Frogs have been a thorn in the side of the whole Empire:P For the past 600 years.
The Frogs have been a thorn in the side of the whole Empire:P For the past 600 years.
If u are a British nationalist I suppose you could look at it that way.
But what would the world be without the French?
Z
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