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Spetsnaz
01-22-2009, 00:51
(2) 03:56:23-2009/01/22 Legion of Riot[LoR] has declared War on Transformers[PaIn]
Reason: you guys got me :) , but hey hows everything going? Fun set isn\'t it?

(1) 02:36:18-2009/01/22 Transformers[PaIn] has declared War on Legion of Riot[LoR]
Reason: time to kill ali... hopefully...

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Lol Ali Died.
Probably going through his emotional breakdown.

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AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 4 Land 02:40:01-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 23 Land 02:40:00-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 29 Land 02:39:59-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 20 Land 02:39:58-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 30 Land 02:39:57-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 30 Land 02:39:56-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 26 Land 02:39:55-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 20 Land 02:39:54-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 28 Land 02:39:53-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 19 Land 02:39:52-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 26 Land 02:39:51-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 28 Land 02:39:50-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 19 Land 02:39:49-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 23 Land 02:39:48-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 21 Land 02:39:38-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 28 Land 02:39:37-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 26 Land 02:39:36-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 28 Land 02:39:34-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 20 Land 02:39:33-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 20 Land 02:39:32-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 28 Land 02:39:31-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 31 Land 02:39:30-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 30 Land 02:39:29-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 24 Land 02:39:28-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 27 Land 02:39:27-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 18 Land 02:39:26-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 30 Land 02:39:25-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] 30 Land 02:39:22-2009/01/22
AR StArScReAm(#)[PaIn] Kenshin44(#27)[LoR] Defeat /
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Cemetary
01-22-2009, 00:56
no state numbers :/... well at least mine since im still alive

and idk if there needs to be a separate thread for this since its not PaIn vs. LoR

it's 2 PaIn states and one vT state hitting the LoR leaders... lol

Spetsnaz
01-22-2009, 00:57
no state numbers :/... well at least mine since im still alive

and idk if there needs to be a separate thread for this since its not PaIn vs. LoR

it's 2 PaIn states and one vT state hitting the LoR leaders... lol

Yeah, My bad.

Satan666
01-22-2009, 00:59
no state numbers :/... well at least mine since im still alive

and idk if there needs to be a separate thread for this since its not PaIn vs. LoR

it's 2 PaIn states and one vT state hitting the LoR leaders... lol

too bad i had a feeling I needed to get on.

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 05:30
Cem are you trying to Goad us into war land dropping several members of GRIM while warring LOR?

Xavior
01-22-2009, 05:31
Last I checked, there wasn't any PAIN to war...

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 11:01
well see

I was actually just going to land drop xav and declare retaliations on GRIM with my last turns

He felt the need to SA nearly every target LoR AAed from both NS and GRIM. I find this extremely unacceptable because I consider it him helping LoR to land drop. I have actually talked to another GRIM state (won't say who) and he agrees with me.

I calculated what i needed to break xav and sent an extra 500k jets. And somehow I failed. Stupid random factor. So instead, I land dropped a few of his nations states to see how he likes it.

From now on, anytime I see a state SA one of my nations states while he is being AAed. It will be 10 AAs and a 2 SA retal. Or, if they do it to more than one state. That said state will be killed if it is in my ability. If it isn't, I will place a bounty on said person's head.

Dogma
01-22-2009, 11:07
He felt the need to SA nearly every target LoR AAed from both NS and GRIM. I find this extremely unacceptable because I consider it him helping LoR to land drop. I have actually talked to another GRIM state (won't say who) and he agrees with me.

HAve to agree, that was quite cheesy.

Xavior
01-22-2009, 14:18
HAve to agree, that was quite cheesy.

I SAed 3 states which were being AAed. Not 10, 12 or 14.

DO you know why the SAs don't matter? The states were being land dropped anyway, so it doesn't matter how many hits the states have on them or how much less land, the land drops will take the same amount (which is why they are so powerful).

Not to mention that my first two SAs were on NS, which I do believe does not concern either of you. I didn't get any complaint from NS.


Now I remember the 3rd guy. He tripled me yesterday, I was going to ask Ali for a retal, but you guys were killing him.

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 14:24
I SAed 3 states which were being AAed. Not 10, 12 or 14.

DO you know why the SAs don't matter? The states were being land dropped anyway, so it doesn't matter how many hits the states have on them or how much less land, the land drops will take the same amount (which is why they are so powerful).

Not to mention that my first two SAs were on NS, which I do believe does not concern either of you. I didn't get any complaint from NS.


Now I remember the 3rd guy. He tripled me yesterday, I was going to ask Ali for a retal, but you guys were killing him.

yes.. u SAd three state whilst they were being AAd.. LAST NIGHT ALONE!

You have done this all set long. And don't tell me you haven't because everyone has seen you do it all set long and ive said something in chatbox nearly every time

It doesn't matter that they are dying anyways, you are aiding lor by lending in your 1-2 hits every state that gets attacked. And you are attacking them when they have no GB after being AAd so you gather more land. That, i consider, is helping the nation doing the attacks and if I see it next set, even though im netting, I WILL do something about it if no1 else will.

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 14:34
So why Land drop #94 and Bled for nothing. What you did wasnt any more in the right than what your saying he did. I think thats a case of the Pot calling the kettle black IMO just another reason yet again for you to start something with GRIM seems you found yourself a new hobby. I guess it just your 18 year old sense of justice 2 wrongs make a right.

I dont know if you are 18 I am guessing.

kenshin44
01-22-2009, 14:41
So why Land drop #94 and Bled for nothing. What you did wasnt any more in the right than what your saying he did. I think thats a case of the Pot calling the kettle black IMO just another reason yet again for you to start something with GRIM seems you found yourself a new hobby. I guess it just your 18 year old sense of justice 2 wrongs make a right.

I dont know if you are 18 I am guessing.

I am 18 :confused: lol

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 14:43
im actually 20, not much of a difference really

And i already explained why i did it

I was going to retal xav, but i couldnt break him for an SA even though i sent 500k jets worth of mil. str. more than his

so what i did, was let his members get land dropped just like he land dropped mine


I guess it just your 18 year old sense of justice 2 wrongs make a right.

i guess you are against capital punishment?

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 14:52
im actually 20, not much of a difference really

And i already explained why i did it

I was going to retal xav, but i couldnt break him for an SA even though i sent 500k jets worth of mil. str. more than his

so what i did, was let his members get land dropped just like he land dropped mine



i guess you are against capital punishment?


Sorry to who ever did this the first time but it fits so well.


POT KETTLE BLACK you get the point.

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 15:01
Sorry to who ever did this the first time but it fits so well.


POT KETTLE BLACK you get the point.

ill take that as a no then, didn't figure you had the backbone for it

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 15:09
I have the Backbone for capitol punishment on the people who commited the crime not innocents. so your question has no bearing neither does my answer. you being a DUMBASS is another story its you who doesnt get it. your the pot calling the kettle black. you wanna talk about capitol punishment but yet as i said you go and take it out on innocent players that havent done anything to PAIN or VT or NS while being warred.

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 15:21
I have the Backbone for capitol punishment on the people who commited the crime not innocents. so your question has no bearing neither does my answer. you being a DUMBASS is another story its you who doesnt get it. your the pot calling the kettle black. you wanna talk about capitol punishment but yet as i said you go and take it out on innocent players that havent done anything to PAIN or VT or NS while being warred.

A leader takes responsibilities for the players in his nation. His actions also reflect those of the nation. Just like how LoR warred us the second time for hoe trying to get nations to war lor. Our members, including myself, did nothing to lor, but since our LEADER ran his mouth, our members paid the price.

Xav should know better and should have expected some sort of retaliation for his actions. Since he is a leader in GRIM, his players paid the price for him

P.S. My pots are silver, not black

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 15:29
Well then you should have LDed me cause I grabbed an NS member while he was being AA'ed. Lets see how much of an Honest man your are Cem?
Have you ever grabbed a state in a nation that was at war for land that you werent involved in? Im not asking if you did it while he was being AA'ed I am asking if you did it at all while 2 nations were at war have you ever grabbed a member of either nation for land?

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 15:37
Well then you should have LDed me cause I grabbed an NS member while he was being AA'ed. Lets see how much of an Honest man your are Cem?
Have you ever grabbed a state in a nation that was at war for land that you werent involved in? Im not asking if you did it while he was being AA'ed I am asking if you did it at all while 2 nations were at war have you ever grabbed a member of either nation for land?

theres a good chance i did

BUT

the difference between the two is when u grab someone AFTER they were being AAed you pull a hell of a lot more land off because their GB is nullified, and, while they r being aaed, they are also being killed when they are being aaed, so your grab expedites that process

Also, I try my best NOT to grab nations that are warring. It isnt a smart move to grab nations that are warring, specially when aas are happening, bc clearly they are expecting to die and don't care what happens to their states

::LD::GrimReapr
01-22-2009, 15:51
Now your splitting Hairs You are still helping Kill that member of said nation by grabbing land from him regardless of how much it is 2000 or 500 you still helped kill that person.

Missionary
01-22-2009, 16:00
in that case every state you grab is helping to destroy someones set.

Morph
01-22-2009, 16:43
A leader takes responsibilities for the players in his nation. His actions also reflect those of the nation. Just like how LoR warred us the second time for hoe trying to get nations to war lor. Our members, including myself, did nothing to lor, but since our LEADER ran his mouth, our members paid the price.

Xav should know better and should have expected some sort of retaliation for his actions. Since he is a leader in GRIM, his players paid the price for him

P.S. My pots are silver, not black
blablabla

Cemetary
01-22-2009, 18:15
in that case every state you grab is helping to destroy someones set.

so lets just kill everybody

and make SAs illegal

Xavior
01-22-2009, 19:48
yes.. u SAd three state whilst they were being AAd.. LAST NIGHT ALONE!

You have done this all set long. And don't tell me you haven't because everyone has seen you do it all set long and ive said something in chatbox nearly every time

It doesn't matter that they are dying anyways, you are aiding lor by lending in your 1-2 hits every state that gets attacked. And you are attacking them when they have no GB after being AAd so you gather more land. That, i consider, is helping the nation doing the attacks and if I see it next set, even though im netting, I WILL do something about it if no1 else will.

lmao, all set long? Those 3 were the only 3 I did this set.

First of all, as I already said (but obviously you like everyone here only reads portions you want to read) my hits don't help the attacking nation if land drops are used (and they were).

Second, you are assuming that by suiciding on my nation mates, you are helping someone. I"m sorry, but you aren't. You will only be declared a known terrorist. Your land drops do more damage than my SAs.


By the way Cem, when have I land dropped PAIN members this set? Oh, but you will say I have been doing it all set but not show any proof. Or will you make some up like you have been doing with Ali and trying to get GRIM and LoR to war each other?

Raul
01-22-2009, 20:17
who is still alive from PAIN?, reach me on msn so we can kill him

nosejam
01-22-2009, 20:20
Second, you are assuming that by suiciding on my nation mates, you are helping someone. I"m sorry, but you aren't. You will only be declared a known terrorist. Your land drops do more damage than my SAs.

Pretty sure it wouldn't be classed as suicide, as he's got a valid reason to do it, not just ruining someone's set for giggles. Well I don't think it should be classed as suicide.

Xavior
01-22-2009, 20:26
Pretty sure it wouldn't be classed as suicide, as he's got a valid reason to do it, not just ruining someone's set for giggles. Well I don't think it should be classed as suicide.

Yes, and I've got a valid reason to buy 100m jets to KE Anton because he keeps SAing my nation mates.

(someone feed me cheap one=time=use jets)

Cemetary
01-23-2009, 00:33
lmao, all set long? Those 3 were the only 3 I did this set.

First of all, as I already said (but obviously you like everyone here only reads portions you want to read) my hits don't help the attacking nation if land drops are used (and they were).

Second, you are assuming that by suiciding on my nation mates, you are helping someone. I"m sorry, but you aren't. You will only be declared a known terrorist. Your land drops do more damage than my SAs.


By the way Cem, when have I land dropped PAIN members this set? Oh, but you will say I have been doing it all set but not show any proof. Or will you make some up like you have been doing with Ali and trying to get GRIM and LoR to war each other?


Ive *****ed at you all set long for attacking members that have been AAed, every single strike LoR has made uve SAed at least one target

Xavior
01-23-2009, 01:28
Lets see.. I made 4 SAs on 3 states.

My first two SAs were made on 2 NS states when LoR had declared their FS. I delibrately let LoR's non-landdrop states to take first 2 SAs on them. Thats the only 2 I did that night.

I did 2 SAs last night (or the night before, been pretty busy lately), on a LoR state which tripled me the night before I did the SAs.

So what exactly is your problem? You don't like me, you don't like my nation, fine. I can live with that, I haven't even talked to you before this set in person. Yet it seems suddenly out of the blue you try to get GRIM killed this set. I want to know why? Was it because we killed TNG last set? If so, I didn't realize they meant so much to you.

And here you are trying to be the policeman of NW. This is like me seeing someone do a triple and immediately AAing them because they broke 'my' rules on SAs even tho it does not affect me one bit. Actually, it is even worse than that. It is like me attempting to do some AAs, but failing on that state so I then switch to AAing the offending state's nation mates.

Great logic there.

But i'm done with this. I don't have much time on my hands, and it would do me better to spend as little time argueing with you, Hoebawt and Marine Recon for we all know that we can't agree on anything.

PatriotPino
01-23-2009, 09:47
Just to let members in LOR know that im not part of the war, Especially the one who failed at spy ops. Twice.

Just waiting your turns on me..

Divine Intervention
01-23-2009, 10:14
Yes, and I've got a valid reason to buy 100m jets to KE Anton because he keeps SAing my nation mates.

(someone feed me cheap one=time=use jets)


Subject: RE: RE: RE: hey
Received: 04:56:10 - Wednesday 21st of January 2009
From: A Hiding State(#)
Message:
want me to double tap (do 2nd hit on) you tomorrow so that you lose less land?

space cowboyRE:

if you can spare the turns! I`d rather lose few more military then bunch of
land :P

Silver

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Subject: RE: RE: meow
Received: 01:15:03 - Friday 23rd of January 2009
From: Superpasha(#)
Message:
blya grab me suka!!! ne v padlu!! ne kozlis' plz:)

SuperpashaRE:

tomorrow morning ill grab you :p

space cowboyRE:

ur a ****!!!
i better have taht grab 2moro!!!

Superpasha

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Subject: Double Tap
Received: 10:58:01 - Thursday 22nd of January 2009
From: River Styx(#)
Message:
Feel free to give me the good ole double tap again if you dont mind.

Lord Grim

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1/22/2009 1:07:16 PM Beeno anton does a 500 land grab insterest ya? :P
1/22/2009 1:07:24 PM Beeno anton only gotta break a 25 mil net state
*random convo regarding breaks etc*
1/22/2009 1:12:35 PM Beeno anton aha, i looked at that wrong was a 500 land grab
1/22/2009 1:13:01 PM Beeno anton thanx for gb :P

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:)

Missionary
01-23-2009, 11:08
First of all, as I already said (but obviously you like everyone here only reads portions you want to read) my hits don't help the attacking nation if land drops are used (and they were).

it saves them 5 turns which then go towards landdropping the next state. if you did this 3 times ur saving LoR 15 turns which can then go towards another target.


so lets just kill everybody

and make SAs illegal

well grim thinks grabbing someone whilst they are warring is helping to kill them.....so surely doing out of war is what, a suicide?

@ anton - uve been a GB ***** this set.

BeeNo
01-23-2009, 11:53
i gotta agree with missionary, your saving lor turns by grabbing those states. your taking advantage of the fact that their a 15 man nation getting FS'd by a 30 man nation and can't retaliate against you.

i'm not sure LDing random guys in GRIM was the solution you were looking for though cem. still i don't think xav was the only GRIM state to participate in this.

@anton, gotta say it was odd for a 25k land state to get to 1 grab playing in the 30's rank. I still got land raped down to 18k before it all was over.

Divine Intervention
01-23-2009, 13:59
@ Beeno - i should probably have grabbed you 2nd time...sorry about that :(

ooga booga
01-24-2009, 01:25
GRIM... seriously guys? We are friends... so why the hell are you grabbing our states when we are getting AA'd and helping LoR save turns??? That is NOT cool, we are way outnumbered and overpowered, the last thing we need is our friends helping out the enemy.

northbabylon
01-24-2009, 01:49
ooga, think of it this way...rather the land go to a friend? or to a lor member who is just going to drop it.

::LD::GrimReapr
01-24-2009, 02:26
@Vinnie Im not sure you quite grasp the conversation Cem and I are having He said it was wrong to grab someone while being AA'ed because it saves the other nation turns. I asked him if he ever grabbed a state in a nation that was at war he said maybe. My point is that it is no different than what Xav or myself did you taking land from a state thats in war is still saving the other nation turns regardless of how much it is.
So to sum it up what Cem did to my nation mates for something he himself done is being Hypocritical regardless of how much land is taken it is still saving the other nation turns am I right or am I wrong.

@ Beeno as I stated in a post earlier in this thread and in this post itself I GRABBED SOMEONE WHILE THEY WERE BEING AA'ED.
I myself have been grabbed while at war I didnt think there was anything wrong with it and I still dont since its been done to me.I dont like it but guess what there is alot I dont like but I deal with it.

@ Ooga We are friends unless this unfortunate turn of events make you feel otherwise.

BeeNo
01-24-2009, 05:36
And as i told you via MSN i disagree with you on this point. To me there is a difference between grabbing a state who is in a war, and grabbing a state who is being broken by AA's and land dropped during war, more to the point states that would normally be outside your attack range, your definately saving them turns.

This is something that has bothered me in the past, and i'm making my point right now so that its clear where i stand on this issue.

Missionary
01-24-2009, 11:11
grabbing someone who is at war is slightly differnt than grabbing someone who is being AAd. they both cause damage yes buts its about the timing of your attack.

1) when you grab someone who is at war they normally have 100% red, which means you would have been able to break them neways. where as if they are getting AAd you may not have been able to.

2) whilst the person is getting AAd or even afterwards the attacking nation will need to find the break. you attacking during or after AAs are done will lower the break on the defending state.

3) your attack saves the other nation turns, wether its 5 or 50 its still more turns the attacking nation has to use on the defending.

4) your 1 attack means the landdropper doesnt have to use 1 more attack. meaning it doesnt take quite as long for him to finish. it may only be a matter of a few minutes. but how many times have people come online to say "ive just been killed"

its only little things but seeing as ur surposed to be friends its a bit nasty.

ooga booga
01-24-2009, 12:40
ooga, think of it this way...rather the land go to a friend? or to a lor member who is just going to drop it.

Like Vinnie stated, I rather LoR used up more turns than GRIM assist them. Friends aren't suppose to assist the enemy! Like I mentioned, we are already outnumbered by far. Even a small assist to LoR like this hurts us. This has always been a NO NO in the community, to SA someone while they are being AA'd. Wars have started over this. Now I'm not going to war GRIM, but if GRIM thinks NS doesn't care about these actions then you're wrong.

Andy, every turn in war is important. If GRIM saves LoR LDers 4-5 SA's on our targets, that's 25 turns they just saved LoR. I don't understand how you think that is O.K.

northbabylon
01-24-2009, 13:39
Like Vinnie stated, I rather LoR used up more turns than GRIM assist them. Friends aren't suppose to assist the enemy! Like I mentioned, we are already outnumbered by far. Even a small assist to LoR like this hurts us. This has always been a NO NO in the community, to SA someone while they are being AA'd. Wars have started over this. Now I'm not going to war GRIM, but if GRIM thinks NS doesn't care about these actions then you're wrong.

Andy, every turn in war is important. If GRIM saves LoR LDers 4-5 SA's on our targets, that's 25 turns they just saved LoR. I don't understand how you think that is O.K.

what im saying is, there 25 guys would have killed our active 8-9 even if they didn't SA. There FS killed what, our top 6 guys? and that was without rauls barons.

::LD::GrimReapr
01-24-2009, 14:18
grabbing someone who is at war is slightly differnt than grabbing someone who is being AAd. they both cause damage yes buts its about the timing of your attack.

1) when you grab someone who is at war they normally have 100% red, which means you would have been able to break them neways. where as if they are getting AAd you may not have been able to.

2) whilst the person is getting AAd or even afterwards the attacking nation will need to find the break. you attacking during or after AAs are done will lower the break on the defending state.

3) your attack saves the other nation turns, wether its 5 or 50 its still more turns the attacking nation has to use on the defending.

4) your 1 attack means the landdropper doesnt have to use 1 more attack. meaning it doesnt take quite as long for him to finish. it may only be a matter of a few minutes. but how many times have people come online to say "ive just been killed"

its only little things but seeing as ur surposed to be friends its a bit nasty.

I Understand what your saying.
But any grabs made against a state in war saves the enemy turns whether its 50 land or 3000 land its turns and thats what we seem to be stuck on saving the enemy turns. In my opinion any grabs made against a state in war is saving the enemy turns and I have been grabbed while at war. As I stated above also so I didnt think it was all that bad I am still losing land while being warred making it easier to kill me.
Now we agree that grabbing someone while being AA'ed gives more land than normal but is it really any different than grabbing someone not being AA'ed as far as saving the enemy turns.

@ Beeno yes I told you I grabbed Salabanzi while he was being AA'ed and you did tell me you didnt agree with it I was just making sure everyone knew it wasnt just Xavior doing it. I will admit to things I do and I also admitted on the forums of blowing peoples buildings and money up with destructive spy ops. I will only use a few turns the first time but if you still neglect to get spies after a few days time you get whats coming to you sorry.

So all in all I am asking besides the amount of land being grabbed is it not the same thing grabbing someone while they are at war as when they are being AA'ed cause you are saving the enemy turns right or wrong?

Dogma
01-24-2009, 14:58
Well, grabbing in general is part of the game. Grabbing from states that are in war is just playing the game. Grabbing a state after being AR'ed is just unethical in my opinion. If a member of my nation did it, I would allow retal against that member. It amounts to war attacks from the grabbing state and would/should lead to reprisals.

Missionary
01-24-2009, 22:45
So all in all I am asking besides the amount of land being grabbed is it not the same thing grabbing someone while they are at war as when they are being AA'ed cause you are saving the enemy turns right or wrong?

wrong, its also the timing of the attack. you might as well AR the target of the land you grab. but yes essentially grabbing someone whether the person is being AA/ARd is helping to kill someone.

BUT, grabbing someone during war gives them the chance to recover from it.....doesnt necessarily mean they will die!!