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Mr President
07-09-2010, 23:19
Right now our economy is a disaster. We have members with trillions. Our Vbookie is bugging out cause way to much money is passing through it and it wasn't made for that much. Our economy has a total of:

Money Circulation Amount : 5,185,958,767,215

in it.. That's absurd for a community this size. Credits have pretty much become worthless in value as everyone has them and even when they spend them they earn it right back due to interest rates. We haven't had anyone purchase a premium account or credits in months, and last month i floated the game a loan to keep us going for another month and i assume i will have to do the same this month. So things have to change. Here is what I am purposing.

1) All credits for each member be set to 100 and we start completely over.
2) All interest rates drop way down.
3) Vbookie has a max bet of 100,000
4) All arcade and casino games cost and winnings are set appropriately.
5) I have a log of those who have spent real money for credits. I will swap that out for premium accounts. There were only a few who purchased them so it's not like we will be giving away a lot of free premiums.

Those are the 5 main ones I can think of right now that will fix the credit problem. I know some of you will be upset over the credit reset but I wouldn't do it unless it was really really necessary. Take a look HERE (http://forums.nation-wars.com/credits.php?do=banking) and you'll see that our poverty rating is 100%. Tons of our members have trillions and nothing to spend them on. The credits are basically pointless right now and serve no purpose. So either we reset it and start new and do it all right this time, or we dump the whole credit thing altogether.

Now for the Premium problem.. We need to make premium accounts worth something again. Granted the main purpose of a premium is to support the game, but it's nice to get things along with your money. I really don't have any idea's for this. The only thing I can think of is those who purchase a premium will get free CTF passes till it runs out. But that's not really a big deal so we need to come up with more logical ideas that will give a little bang for our buck.

I really need some ideas please. The game is in great shape and we are gaining new members each set. Now we just need to get things in order to keep us secure. So whatever idea you have, please post them. And please only post serious ideas.

thanks

Soviet Russia
07-10-2010, 10:42
I agree them all :o

pron
07-10-2010, 11:36
:think:: Just throwing out ideas here.

Give Premium Users one free Obtain State Info op per day that will have a 100% success rate and no turn usage.

Give them access to a special unit that does something funky ( like missiles or missile defense system).

Give them access to war attacks outside of war :P

Give them a larger bank

Update their scores list every 10 mins instead of 20. Or everytime they hit the refresh button.

Give them another 100 stored turns, to a max of 200.

Send them love emails every month based on their turn usage.

Umm...all I got off the top of my head for now.

Max Logan
07-10-2010, 13:15
:think:: Just throwing out ideas here.

Give Premium Users one free Obtain State Info op per day that will have a 100% success rate and no turn usage.

Give them access to a special unit that does something funky ( like missiles or missile defense system).

Give them access to war attacks outside of war :P

Give them a larger bank

Update their scores list every 10 mins instead of 20. Or everytime they hit the refresh button.

Give them another 100 stored turns, to a max of 200.

Send them love emails every month based on their turn usage.

Umm...all I got off the top of my head for now.


no

no

no

no

no

no

yes

pron
07-10-2010, 14:16
no

no

no

no

no

no

yes

Great reasoning. Appreciate your contribution to this thread.

Crimson Shadow
07-10-2010, 15:05
I'm not really a fan of giving ingame benefits (extra turns/bigger bank/etc). It isn't really fair to give extras to people who have a prem, when some people can't afford one.

But we do need to do something in order to boost sales of prems. I'm not really sure what we could do that doesn't impact gameplay drastically, but I will try to think of something this weekend.

pron
07-10-2010, 17:28
I don't think bigger bank will affect too much right now, as indy is the main strat and with the LG formula, stockers don't do well in netting.

Crimson Shadow
07-10-2010, 17:40
2 of the top 5 players last set were stockers. So, I'm pretty sure they are strong.

boostah
07-10-2010, 21:56
put the landgrab calculator in game for them.

Stuff like that. It makes it more convienent (dont know the spelling :p), but not an advantage. It will just take those who dont have one more effort (and as widely known: all americans are fat lazy bastards :p)

Think giving real advantages is just ridiculous.

Cemetary
07-11-2010, 00:58
2 of the top 5 players last set were stockers. So, I'm pretty sure they are strong.

lol i dont think you can really use last set as a "stocking is powerful" point

most of the good netters got suicided including 4 from one nation i suicided, none of which were stockers

Crimson Shadow
07-11-2010, 12:06
lol i dont think you can really use last set as a "stocking is powerful" point

most of the good netters got suicided including 4 from one nation i suicided, none of which were stockers

Both of them still managed 200m+ NW, which is a better than what most non stockers could produce.

I'm not arguing that if there wouldn't have been suicides that they wouldn't have finished where they did. I'm just pointing out that stockers are doing pretty well and don't really need any extra help.


Either way, it isn't for us to argue what would have happened, we need to come up with ideas to make prems more valuable.

ranger2112
07-11-2010, 20:22
you could give premium members access to racy photos of Mrs. P. ask Dogma, I believe he has a great collection.

premium members could get to know the Prez's REAL name.

premium members could have access to a "premium only" game or has a special spot on facebook or something or get their extra turns without clicking on the links

premium members get to say one naughty word a week without censure

:)

Lord Burch
07-11-2010, 20:59
Question, Mr. P, wouldn't the reset harm the amount of those who can play CTF?

Mr President
07-11-2010, 21:08
Question, Mr. P, wouldn't the reset harm the amount of those who can play CTF?

No cause I would adjust the price of the CTF passes to reflect the current economy. Pass prices would come way down.

KelpKris
07-11-2010, 21:21
From what I can remember from Domination, Prem gave about the same bonuses as it does in here, but a few differences that I can recall were:
1)Prem members were able see more detailed past scores. Unless I'm mistaken, in NW everybody can click on a state in NW portal an see it's overview.
2)Prem members were able to see "live" statistics, like who had made the most attacks, largest grab etc and I believe the averages were also present.
3)Prem members session timed out in 40 minutes instead of 20 minutes.
4)Prem members were able to see more states in "State Scores" list. For normal users it might have been top10 + 10 or 15 states above and below you and for Prem members top10 + 25 states above and below you (I guess "All State Scores" didn't/doesn't updated that often?).
5)More stored turns. I think it might have been smt like 200+50 or 200+100 vs 200+200.


Update their scores list every 10 mins instead of 20..
This is something worth thinking about. It would definitely be something that can give you an advantage if you know what you are doing, but perhaps the advantage is not that big. Yet it might be big enough to give you another reason to buy prem. I could be wrong, but the prem in Domination might have given the same bonus.

Prem members could also see Global events more than 72h into the past, perhaps so that you could see entire set events. It can be useful when you want to check if someone got feed in the beginning, but you couldn't suspect the player at the time for example and I'm sure it can have several other uses.

Regardless of what new improvements premium will have, it would be cool, if there would be a list of all the benefits you will get with prem on the "Buy Prem account" page or somewhere.

Devil
07-11-2010, 23:01
premium members could get to know the Prez's REAL name.



you already get to. It shows you in paypal ;)

Updating Scores every 10 min sounds good and do does the longer session time out.

I remember a while ago a prem member got to change their forum title. Why was this removed? I liked it

Crimson Shadow
07-11-2010, 23:16
One thing that I thought about that wouldn't provide much of an advantage would be to have a counter by the Home News page link. So, when you are on other pages, the navbar on the left side will say Home News (0). When something happens, market sale/attack/leader note, it will change to Home News (1) and will blink.

This isn't anything too big, but could help out prem states who happens to be online and starts to be attacked during a war. Most people are already texted or are spammed on MSN when they are attacked, so this shouldn't impact the game too drastically.


Another thing would be to have your readiness appear on the infobar (up by turns/money/food) after you take turns. Right now, it displays your readiness before you take turns, but you have to refresh the page if you want to see what your actual readiness is at.

kanman
07-11-2010, 23:28
Gamerstown in earth had market statistics- a graph of what the prices on the market were the past 24 hours.

Dogma
07-12-2010, 01:39
I have no idea what the coding involved would be, but there are some excellent ideas on this page, in my opinion only. :)

Lord Burch
07-12-2010, 01:48
No cause I would adjust the price of the CTF passes to reflect the current economy. Pass prices would come way down.

Sweet. That's all I needed to hear....I love CTF...

Mr President
07-12-2010, 11:44
I have no idea what the coding involved would be, but there are some excellent ideas on this page, in my opinion only. :)

I agree and many of them will be used.. Thanks for the great ideas guys.. Keep em coming :)

Max Logan
07-12-2010, 13:46
I was always against in game benefits, so excuse me if I sound harsh every time someone suggests it.

But well, some benefits could be given.

Larger bank NOT. Because it would greatly help stockers. right not, late in game stockers lose about 1.5b per attack on them. it means, they lose about 5-6b a day. if you make a large bank, they won`t lose it and those 20-30b would give nice advantage. Esp with this low member count.

the scores update every 10 mins, is good with me! :p i never use it actually. I just watch GE and check states I`m interested in :p


A more convenient left tools list. Like adding a small space under cash and research, also expand, where you can type in the turns you desire to use without making the extra click and wait for it to load. same with all the others you need to make an extra click.


5 nation switches. Just a something good to use in emergency.


In GE a tab that shows in how much time the hit expires. For the lazy Americans :p

Crimson Shadow
07-12-2010, 16:14
I was always against in game benefits, so excuse me if I sound harsh every time someone suggests it.

But well, some benefits could be given.

Larger bank NOT. Because it would greatly help stockers. right not, late in game stockers lose about 1.5b per attack on them. it means, they lose about 5-6b a day. if you make a large bank, they won`t lose it and those 20-30b would give nice advantage. Esp with this low member count.

the scores update every 10 mins, is good with me! :p i never use it actually. I just watch GE and check states I`m interested in :p


A more convenient left tools list. Like adding a small space under cash and research, also expand, where you can type in the turns you desire to use without making the extra click and wait for it to load. same with all the others you need to make an extra click.


5 nation switches. Just a something good to use in emergency.


In GE a tab that shows in how much time the hit expires. For the lazy Americans :p


I agree with all of these except the last one. If you are too lazy to figure out how long until the GB runs out, then you don't deserve to get the grab.

MAGGIO
07-13-2010, 00:13
We haven't had anyone purchase a premium account or credits in months, and last month i floated the game a loan to keep us going for another month and i assume i will have to do the same this month. So things have to change.

THIS IS BULLCRAP! Quite a few adults around here. Throw $20 on it and act like you give a crap. I got you Mr. P this friday! How about its a pretty cheap game to play so the dues are due.



Oh and btw make prem affect in game pros. what do you have to loose? Give a shot... its not like your making any money.... matter fact sounds like your loosing. plenty of games have in game pros for prem. Im just saying, prems are worthless with out it. only reason why i even throw in money is just to help out and YOU WOULD THINK many others do the same for the same.

Maybe we stop calling it premium account and start calling is subscription. $5.00 a month gives you unlimted what ever. unlimited arcade, unlimited PMs, all forum stuff unlimited. Special Bling Bling under user name (not dull arse gray)

Maybe limit some things in game like times you can sell on market per day or some other stuff but subscribers get unlimted. i dunno get creative and stop relooking at things that never flew before, and start pushing the limits regardless of opinions. fact is if there was a choice of a few "incomfortable changes" or NO GAME AT ALL, i think we both know the answer.

jkl9926
07-13-2010, 04:34
well im still kinda newly back to the game and had just kept forgetting to buy a prem but i always had one in WoW and that was when i was 12-13 so i forked over the money so atleast i can contribute. and i mean tbh all of us can afford to pay up atleast 5 bucks a month i dont suggest doing it like that cause it scares off new members but those who have played for awhile should be willing to do so.

Missionary
07-13-2010, 07:08
ingame benifits need to be used, so many other gaes give ingame benifits for purchase of the equivenlant to our prem account. somethings would hardly make much of a difference. coz lets be honest, everyone who comes to this site comes to play the game. askin people to pay for a prem account which gives them no ingame benifits seems abit stupid.

the bank one needs to be done imo
update "scores list" quicker is a good one
longer GE aswel
extra nation jumps
change name on forums
unlimited arcade usage (or say 25-30 free plays a day)
CTF free entry

why not say you have to have a prem account to create a nation??

KelpKris
07-13-2010, 11:45
why not say you have to have a prem account to create a nation??

This reminded me one thing that actually bothers me when my nation is being automatically created. It's that I have to destroy/disband the nation if I want change the tax and thus the nations that are being created a few days before the round starts can also change the tax second time a few days earlier, unless I disband my nation too.

Mr President
07-13-2010, 12:20
THIS IS BULLCRAP! Quite a few adults around here. Throw $20 on it and act like you give a crap. I got you Mr. P this friday! How about its a pretty cheap game to play so the dues are due.



Oh and btw make prem affect in game pros. what do you have to loose? Give a shot... its not like your making any money.... matter fact sounds like your loosing. plenty of games have in game pros for prem. Im just saying, prems are worthless with out it. only reason why i even throw in money is just to help out and YOU WOULD THINK many others do the same for the same.

Maybe we stop calling it premium account and start calling is subscription. $5.00 a month gives you unlimted what ever. unlimited arcade, unlimited PMs, all forum stuff unlimited. Special Bling Bling under user name (not dull arse gray)

Maybe limit some things in game like times you can sell on market per day or some other stuff but subscribers get unlimted. i dunno get creative and stop relooking at things that never flew before, and start pushing the limits regardless of opinions. fact is if there was a choice of a few "incomfortable changes" or NO GAME AT ALL, i think we both know the answer.

My post wasn't a call for people to start throwing money. I know times are tough right now and people don't have a lot of extra money for games like this but my main reason was to get people thinking and making suggestions on what could help increase a few sales. It's not like we need millions to stay running. I try very hard to keep our debt under control.

Some of these suggestions are really good and some of them will be used.

@Kris, well maybe a benefit of a prem account would be a few more tax changes with no time limits.. I don't know.. but suggestions are good. It's a place to start :)

Mhaphew
07-13-2010, 12:22
My post wasn't a call for people to start throwing money. I know times are tough right now and people don't have a lot of extra money for games like this but my main reason was to get people thinking and making suggestions on what could help increase a few sales. It's not like we need millions to stay running. I try very hard to keep our debt under control.

Some of these suggestions are really good and some of them will be used.

@Kris, well maybe a benefit of a prem account would be a few more tax changes with no time limits.. I don't know.. but suggestions are good. It's a place to start :)

Well whatever it is, it should be permanent otherwise we are going to get another one of these messages from you this time again next year.

I thought this was a dead thread seeing the light again, but apparently its not!

Crimson Shadow
07-13-2010, 13:31
@Kris, well maybe a benefit of a prem account would be a few more tax changes with no time limits.

With no time limit it is really going to help people who want to feed their top state.
I would say with a prem the time limit is reduced to like 2-3 days instead of 7.

Divine Intervention
07-13-2010, 15:29
if we were to let prem users have 10minute score updates rather than 20minute ones we might as well start thinking about the option of things such as stronger military units / extra turns that non prems cant get etc. Kris underplays how much of an advantage this can be.

Cemetary
07-13-2010, 23:42
yea i havent read any of this stuff but i do agree it should be reset

Your vBookie Bets
Event Group Outcome Status Stake Odds Amount Won

Winner
Thread | Info World Cup 2010 Spain SETTLED 2000000000 5/1 (5.00) 1410065408

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just got 1.4b instead of the 10b im owed :/

im tired of this happening so reset this **** so i can win what i should!! :p

also, i bought a few credits so maybe ill get more prem :p

MAGGIO
07-14-2010, 13:15
ingame benifits are fair because if you cant come up with a few bucks then your full of it.

Mhaphew
07-14-2010, 20:51
ingame benifits are fair because if you cant come up with a few bucks then your full of it.

Yes, however, not everyone here has a bank account to transfer a few dollars to the game. :thumbdown:

MAGGIO
07-15-2010, 10:44
who doesnt have a bank account, credit card, or a parent who will buy them something. world of warcraft and thousands of other console and pc games dont seem to having a problem. matter fact im buying and subscribing my 11 yr old son to the new mmorpg Lego Universe. If you cant come up with $5 then you simply dont want to.

ranger2112
07-16-2010, 10:54
maybe P could set up a PO box for those who have cash, but no access to E-cash. I.E. no checking account or CC.

If someone gets "special" help in-game, then that premium has to be high. There should be a graduated scale. say $5.00 a year gets you a different color to your name and 5 free plays in the arcade a month for that year. $10 bucks a year gives you 15 plays and some small in-game treat. say a different color on their name. $20 a year.... u get the idea.

if someone is to get significant in-game help, say automatic bonus turns, calculators, longer GE etc, then that should come at a hefty price.

the guys who have to mail their money, upon receipt would get their privs at that time. this way, no one can say they cannot get a Premium account because of a lack of checking, CC. it is just because you do not want one. which is OK. having a premium should not be mandatory, but should be worth it.

Mhaphew
07-16-2010, 12:32
Donation for nation-wars.com From: MAGGIO
Total:$20.00USD

...

some of us are poor, 'nuff said.

Xavior
07-16-2010, 17:15
ingame benifits are fair because if you cant come up with a few bucks then your full of it.

You bring up the fact that many people pay to play those subscription games. Most of these are MMOs like World of Warcraft. Others are services such as Xbox Live. Are you honestly comparing Nation-Wars to these games?

Some of our members do buy premium accounts for no other reason but to show support for those who run the game. Others chip in by helping out in the forums and what not.

I'm all for brainstorming ideas to give more benefits to premium users. Before, we had the 2nd server, Heaven. I would support something like that. But I'm definitely against in-game benefits like larger banks. Faster score updates I'm on the fence. Obviously this gives a big advantage to those elite players who need the big grabs in the first few days to try to pull away. In-game land grab calculator? I'm okay with that. It would help newer players and encourage them to buy premium accounts. The rest of us don't need this at all which is why I'm okay with it. Tax changes whenever you want, or with shorter delay? I don't like that idea. In fact, I would rather have faster scores updates than the tax changes. :blink:

MAGGIO
07-16-2010, 19:59
Donation for nation-wars.com From: MAGGIO
Total:$20.00USD