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DBozMen
07-22-2011, 13:38
At this moment:

7 dead and 2 badly wounded in Oslo. (update: 11 badly wounded, 100+ people wounded by glass etc.)

Utøya has unconfirmed deaths

update: possibility that both acts are linked

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they now say there might be 20-25 kids shot death on the island Utøya

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Not sure if you can call this beter, but it seems the current count is 17 and it seems to be domestic.

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DBozMen
07-23-2011, 05:38
80+ on that small island... this is just insane!

CommunistCapitalism
07-23-2011, 07:16
What a shame. Although the guy who did it appears to be domestic, NYT reports that the "Helpers of the Global Jihad" are claiming responsibility for the attack.

Soviet Russia
07-25-2011, 13:21
What a shame. Although the guy who did it appears to be domestic, NYT reports that the "Helpers of the Global Jihad" are claiming responsibility for the attack.

ya, blame the Muslims:thumbdown:

Will
07-25-2011, 16:12
Well, judging by the guy's beliefs, from a certain point of view the muslims are to blame.

No Muslims in Europe = No reason for this guy to kick off.

BeeNo
07-25-2011, 19:34
Well, judging by the guy's beliefs, from a certain point of view the muslims are to blame.

No Muslims in Europe = No reason for this guy to kick off.

is this a serious comment?

Soviet Russia
07-26-2011, 03:23
Well, judging by the guy's beliefs, from a certain point of view the muslims are to blame.

No Muslims in Europe = No reason for this guy to kick off.

Can we say no Americans in the world, no reason for 9/11? What kind of logic is that :thumbdown:

Will
07-26-2011, 15:28
is this a serious comment?

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but I would bet money that he will likely be proved correct within the next fifty years. His methods however have done no favours for the right in Europe.

Will
07-26-2011, 15:33
Can we say no Americans in the world, no reason for 9/11? What kind of logic is that :thumbdown:

Stalin's Logic.

"No Man, no problem"

Will
07-26-2011, 15:53
As for my own view, this guy is the European equivalent of a Tea Partier with a sociopathic streak. By all accounts he isn't insane, despite what his lawyer says. He planned everything to the last detail.

Of course, the governments of Europe are using this as an excuse to crack down even more on people's freedoms.

BeeNo
07-26-2011, 17:56
thats the way it usually goes.

Soviet Russia
07-27-2011, 03:18
By all accounts he isn't insane, despite what his lawyer says. He planned everything to the last detail.

Thats a good point. That guy did not wake up one day and decided to run a personal massacre. He planned it for years, he has ideological background and more importantly, he is not alone.

Europe is creating a new kind of terrorism. Though, it's not new, in Germany, similar terrorists already have been harrasting migrants in a smaller scale for year.

I'd blame the politicians and media, since they did pour the gasoline over the fire, to have the right-wing's votes/support.