Communist

[Mr President]

So you did a suicide attack against me mid set because I legally grabbed you. Then we agreed to a retal of 3 AA's and 2 LG's, in which I only did 2 AA's and 1 LG which I thought was nice of me and then your greedy *** goes off and suicides me at the end of the set with 20 or so SNB blowing up my ships.. Sadly you failed a few which is how I knew who it was you.. What is your problem? Why would you do something like that? You have lost any respect I have ever had for you.

[Nat22]

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[Max Logan]

You should`ve killed them all. One more proof some people are not to be trusted even the slighest. Now we know what kind of a low scum bag CC really is. Guess next set is killing time!

[Mr President]

Looking back now I wish I just had wiped out the whole nation. I was trying to be nice and not punish everyone for his action. And then to even be less severe with my retal only to have him spit in my face. There was no need for him to suicide on me like that. He can't take being grabbed legally and he also can't take someone beating his top state. I'm sorry they didn't have the NA to support them. Perhaps he needed to recruit better.

In the last few hours of the set he does these attacks.. Hope he doesn't think it ends there...............

[kanman]

Not surprised, he's suicided me before for no reason. Wonder if he had anything to do with nguyen getting hit early this round...

[CommunistCapitalism]

I don't care what you say, you don't deserve to win a set that is handed to you by a broken casher strat and an overcrowded nation. Luckily for you, blaa apparently did think you deserved it and ditched 9m networth to give you the set back. I know nobody agrees with me, but you were the one who wrote "domination leads to war", right? So it did, so I attacked, I don't like seeing someone or in this case, a group of someones have such a firm lock on the game and its population. And as for the respect? Yeah, I don't respect tyrants or dictators, and, with no due respect, i fart in your general direction.

Also, you're right, perhaps I do need to recruit better, but one thing you can be assured of is that I won't recruit for this game again. Haze was an experiment of what a few guys and my new recruits could do to compete with the other nations. the overwhelming response is nothing (here is where you blame me and my inabilities again, in case you were going to let this chance slip by). I am sickened by the ignorance/inactivity that plagued all of the other nations into letting one nation get so big. Hitler in the 1930s anyone? Yeah, I'll be poland, czechoslovakia, neville chamberlain, whoever the heck fits the bill the best. I'll take the blame, but just remember that these games are never fun when someone gets way too big for their own good.


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[Mr President]

I don't care what you say, you don't deserve to win a set that is handed to you by a broken casher strat and an overcrowded nation. Luckily for you, blaa apparently did think you deserved it and ditched 9m networth to give you the set back. I know nobody agrees with me, but you were the one who wrote "domination leads to war", right? So it did, so I attacked, I don't like seeing someone or in this case, a group of someones have such a firm lock on the game and its population. And as for the respect? Yeah, I don't respect tyrants or dictators, and, with no due respect, i fart in your general direction.

Also, you're right, perhaps I do need to recruit better, but one thing you can be assured of is that I won't recruit for this game again. Haze was an experiment of what a few guys and my new recruits could do to compete with the other nations. the overwhelming response is nothing (here is where you blame me and my inabilities again, in case you were going to let this chance slip by). I am sickened by the ignorance/inactivity that plagued all of the other nations into letting one nation get so big. Hitler in the 1930s anyone? Yeah, I'll be poland, czechoslovakia, neville chamberlain, whoever the heck fits the bill the best. I'll take the blame, but just remember that these games are never fun when someone gets way too big for their own good.


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"Broken casher strat and an overcrowded nation".. Are you freaking kidding me? If you had taken first you would not be saying such things. As for the overcrowded nation, again your ignorance shows through here.. In all your spy missions did you happen to take a look at who we had as members? We had about 10 new members that we were training. USA has always been one of the largest training nations in the game. We train them then most normally head out to lead their own nation, not at puppets of the USA, but as strong leaders in the community who take care of their own. Clearly, you were never trained by the USA.. It would be different if USA went around killing nations just for fun. We don't do that.

Make all the excuses you want. You are a coward who can't handle losing. I have never won a set in this game. This was my first, and I didn't really even want to take it but I chose to just cash the last 3 or 4 days of the set and if I won then I won. But to be attacked from the back like that for no reason other to ruin my chance at winning cause "you" feel I / we didn't deserve to win it pathetic. Domination leads to war is very true.. Sadly you did not declare war. You did not work and plan to have your nation win a war or the set.

I wouldn't expect you to recruit for this game anymore. In fact my bet is you run away and don't show your face for many months ahead.. It's a typical cowards way. You won't make a nation or a state cause you can't compete and you know you wouldn't survive..

[Mr President]

Also... let me add that in most sets USA is the largest nation.. But yet Sky and other nations have no problem taking 1st over us.. And we have no problem with that. We don't suicide on them cause we can't take losing.. We work harder and try to learn each set.

[CommunistCapitalism]

I never said I was a graceful loser. You've made your points and you sound like barack obama campaigning for election. Its mostly just huff-and-puff-lets-see-how-long-i-can-stay-in-campaign-mode-hopey-changey-wishy-washy kind of stuff. Sure you might win over the community and their views but in the greatest nation in the world, this buffoon got elected. I couldn't even vote but that election showed me that no matter what happens there are always people out there who are uninformed, or are content with their misinformation. Example: "our players were new so they didn't count". Truth: "our players were new so they didn't top feed and lose as much national army for the nation, and they still got taxed for whatever they did, helping the top players". Listen you can take any set of words and spin it however you want. I saw something as wrong and I wasn't going to stand in the corner and regret that I had not done that in sets to come. Its the same thing for sticking up for a kid getting picked on, all of the other states are sitting their smirking, acting cool, going with the majority because they are too inactive to care or don't want to risk the well being of their own state. As for me, I don't really care, and I wanted to stick up and act out against what I saw as a crime to the game. I can't force you to see it my way, I can only provide what I believe is a solid argument and you can take it however you want, and I will use any opportunity I get to shed some light on what I believe is a troubled aspect of an otherwise fun game.

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[Xavior]

ComCap you should really give it a rest. You and Blaa screwed up in more ways than one. People here have already pointed this out to you, yet you continue to whine about how this game is broken. If I were you I'd suffer the consequences next month and then continue on with Haze the month after with a clean sheet. Don't act like some hero with the "I tried and I failed so now I'm quitting" script.

Mr. P has put in more work than probably everyone else combined the past few years and the only thing you do after an extended absence is to scold him for winning legitly? Winning because you screwed up? I like your insight and you make great conversation, but there are times when you should step back and clear your head before saying something you'll regret later on.

For the record, I don't believe casher is broken nor should there be a restriction on nation sizes. I believe strategy and smart leadership balances everything out :)

[Max Logan]

forget it Xav, there`s no brain in that suicider-only-cuz-i-suck-at-everthing-else-i`m-so-miserable-so-let`s-ruin-other-people-fun screw up

[Mrmcjoey15]

ComCap you should really give it a rest. You and Blaa screwed up in more ways than one. People here have already pointed this out to you, yet you continue to whine about how this game is broken. If I were you I'd suffer the consequences next month and then continue on with Haze the month after with a clean sheet. Don't act like some hero with the "I tried and I failed so now I'm quitting" script.

Mr. P has put in more work than probably everyone else combined the past few years and the only thing you do after an extended absence is to scold him for winning legitly? Winning because you screwed up? I like your insight and you make great conversation, but there are times when you should step back and clear your head before saying something you'll regret later on.

For the record, I don't believe casher is broken nor should there be a restriction on nation sizes. I believe strategy and smart leadership balances everything out :)

Honestly i understand what CommCap is talking about. Nation-Wars will always be won by the players who have played every set of Nation-Wars and many many sets of WoW simpily because of how complicated the game is and like you and Mr. P said there are so many small but significant mistakes that the average/new player makes that ruin the set.

Myself ive come to the understanding that i will probably never finish first. Why? Cause i suck? not eaxctly. Because i lack the experience of players like Mr.P Devil Max Xav Beeno Kris ect. and i dont dedicate as much time to the game as a #1 state requires.

Comm Cap was in a position to come in 1st/2nd and a few mistakes led to Mr.P grabbing him for what imho was a rediculous amount of land. Unlike me however Comm Cap took the alternative route. He didnt give in to the years of un written rules of the game. And quite frankly Mr. P don't complain about the outcome of a game that you manage and have complete control over. If the manor in which he suicided you at the end of the set was in your opinion unfair than make it impossible to do.

I love Nation-Wars and i love its members but i too can see where Comm Cap is coming from. Its easy for you guys to make the top ten (well top 5 now) look easy because you've played NW/WoW for over/around 6,7,8 years. To a new player coming into the game he sees these unwritten rules and the simple fact of one to two mistakes a set ruins your chances of coming in first and they lose all desire to continue knowing that the more experienced member base will ALLWAYS have the advantage. And its not like there are secret tricks to be the best its just the experience that it takes to be a top 5 state and when Comm Cap saw that your experience was going to make it impossible for him to beat you out, he used is audacity that comes from a newer member not deeply ingrained by the years of unwritten rules and he used a part of the game that you designed to ruin your chances. It may have been Com Caps mistakes that led to Mr. Ps grab but it was Mr. P's grab that ruined Com Caps set. So all and all Com Cap did to you what you did to him. Dont like it, change the rules and make your unwritten rules written ones. Make a Warning for new players about triple taps and doubles in the top 10 this **** you guys come to expect out of every player and yet they had no means of understanding these rules because unless being tutored there is no one/thing to tell them these rules.

I Guess what it bottles down too is Imbalance in experience between new players and older players is what drives members away from this game and this is a perfect turtling example.

[Max Logan]

I`m sorry that I have been playing this game for 9 years now, I really am I didn`t know it was wrong to play that long and that my experience in the game is what drives people away. I deeply apologize to Mr P and Svenne because I`ve driven this game down. I also apologize for all the old players, that keep playing this game and ruin every new players chances. Again, I apologize!

2nd of all, ComCap is not a new player, so don`t give the bull**** lecture here about unwritten rules. The rules are there for a reason. I wanna see how you`ll enjoy being grabbed 2-3 times by the top guy for the entire set. If you allow double or triple there will be no stopping who ever gets the first break. You`ll never keep up with anyone who gets to grab top states 2-3 times a day. And not even mentioning military loses, you`ll lose ****load of forces in those attacks, and after a set you`ll come begging for the 'unwritten rules' to be back.

As for ComCaps suicide, it was nothing more then one`s hurt pride, which I must say, was nonexistent to begin with. There have been dozens of cases like that, little kids feelings hurt that someone is playing better and smarter then he is, so he goes out and suicides.

It`s ****ing wannabe suiciders and dumb netter that have ruined this game. When ever someone got ahead and showed how one really needs to play a stupid kid suicided him. We can see it all in glory this set as ComCap is the perfect example or dumb and stupid players that should be banned from this game. A full grown retard!

Thanks for your attention, peace be with you and <3 ComCap! ;)

[Max Logan]

I don't care what you say, you don't deserve to win a set that is handed to you by a broken casher strat and an overcrowded nation.

No INDY should EVER lose to a casher state once he`s gotten the lead. EVER, EVER, EVER!!! You just royally suck at netting so no NA or crowded nation will ever help you! Forget it, you S U C K!!!

[Max Logan]

I apologize for my behavior, but suicider *******s really tend to get me mad

[blaa]

Sorry max, but your last few post have been inappropriate. I don't agree to most of the things comcap did last set, but doing what you are doing is not a solution.
It is funny how people just bash me and comcap for playing so poorly last set. It almost feels like it was inevitable for us to crash and burn. Although I am not stating that we played a supertrooper set. There are a handful of excuses I could bring (why we lost to mrp), but its a funny thing with excuses - like *******s, we all have one. So I am not going to go there.
What I'm asking for is some little good sportmanships. Being told in every thread that me and comcap did an awful set is not true in my opinion. I would have finished 3rd any way (behind nhn and mrp) for sure and I don't see how that is a bad set? I did a great jump. I had more land after I did my jump than nhn had, but can't beat a casher in this case, so gratz to nhn.
So again, show some respect and stop having battles in forums.

[Nat22]

I think the opinion of how your sets played out are very much reflectant on the suiciding that ComCap felt was necessary after he was grabbed legally.

1 legal grab is a pathetic excuse for some to suicide anyone. Then to have the disrespect that he did to be adamant that he only did the 1 illiegal spy op only to end the set by doing many. That is why people are annoyed here. I don't think anyone is truly bashing how you played your set blaa, by all standards you had a very good set. However, those you associate with unfortunately have tarnished what good you did this set by attempting to ruin anothers.

There is no respect there. And so nobody is going to give any respect back.

I agree Max has gone slightly over the top and been inappropriate but I also totally agree that suiciders have no place in this game, and the vast majority of us are angry that this happened to anyone.

[Mrmcjoey15]

I`m sorry that I have been playing this game for 9 years now, I really am I didn`t know it was wrong to play that long and that my experience in the game is what drives people away. I deeply apologize to Mr P and Svenne because I`ve driven this game down. I also apologize for all the old players, that keep playing this game and ruin every new players chances. Again, I apologize!

2nd of all, ComCap is not a new player, so don`t give the bull**** lecture here about unwritten rules. The rules are there for a reason. I wanna see how you`ll enjoy being grabbed 2-3 times by the top guy for the entire set. If you allow double or triple there will be no stopping who ever gets the first break. You`ll never keep up with anyone who gets to grab top states 2-3 times a day. And not even mentioning military loses, you`ll lose ****load of forces in those attacks, and after a set you`ll come begging for the 'unwritten rules' to be back.

As for ComCaps suicide, it was nothing more then one`s hurt pride, which I must say, was nonexistent to begin with. There have been dozens of cases like that, little kids feelings hurt that someone is playing better and smarter then he is, so he goes out and suicides.

It`s ****ing wannabe suiciders and dumb netter that have ruined this game. When ever someone got ahead and showed how one really needs to play a stupid kid suicided him. We can see it all in glory this set as ComCap is the perfect example or dumb and stupid players that should be banned from this game. A full grown retard!

Thanks for your attention, peace be with you and <3 ComCap! ;)

That attitude you have is exactly what im talking about Max its not the fact that being a Veteran is a bad thing. Its the attitude that you own the game and your opinions are law. If Mr. P didn't like how he got "suicided" than he should take it out of the game plain and simple.

And my lecture about unwritten rules is completely valid. You have played the game for 9 years so you know these unwritten rules. But the fact of the matter is these unwritten rules put veteran players at an advantage and until changes are made they allways will be. Further more how the game is set up currently will always cater to the more experienced player and the player that spends the most time playing and as long as that continues you will continue to lose players till only the most veteran players will be left and the game will have an unsustainable about of members.

Its things like this that attest to the very stick everyone has up their asses about how the game is "supposed to be played" Comm Cap had one goal in mind at the end of the set and that was to Ruin Mr. P's. Got a problem with it? take it out of the game its truly as simple as that.

Honestly i see no hope for this game unless changes are made that puts everone at a more even playing level so that new players dont feel overwhelmed by the sheer elaborateness of the game and the experience of its veteran members.

[Max Logan]

That attitude you have is exactly what im talking about Max its not the fact that being a Veteran is a bad thing. Its the attitude that you own the game and your opinions are law. If Mr. P didn't like how he got "suicided" than he should take it out of the game plain and simple.

Its things like this that attest to the very stick everyone has up their asses about how the game is "supposed to be played" Comm Cap had one goal in mind at the end of the set and that was to Ruin Mr. P's. Got a problem with it? take it out of the game its truly as simple as that.

Honestly i see no hope for this game unless changes are made that puts everone at a more even playing level so that new players dont feel overwhelmed by the sheer elaborateness of the game and the experience of its veteran members.

Ehhh...so everything Mr P doesn`t like he should take out of the game? i hear he doesn`t like Indy, he plays casher, so I guess we take out indy. Mr P doesn`t like it, so it has to go!


I`d expected as much from you, to support suiciders. It`s a shame really, how people like you have brought this game here. All the people who have quit only because they grew tired of being suicided. People like you who encourage suicide are as bad as the ones who suicide. Shame really. How can suicide be justified? I don`t like you, I suicide you, mwuahahaha, bite me!!! Man, you really got issues if you think it`s right! Who gives you rights to judge how I play? If you wanna suicide, get a friend who wants you to suicide him and leave the people who really try their best each month alone. How would you or ComCap like getting killed just because I wanted the state name you just got? Or if anyone either of you grabbed last set would decide to AA you and spy op you? Wanna bet you both would be here screaming about the injustice, how you got suicided!! So don`t give me that bull****, you`re just a hypocrit!


And how would you create a game where experienced players are at the same level as new players? In every game experience matters, so yeah, 6-9 years, even 3-5 will ALWAYS and SHOULD always win over 1-6 months. No offense but thinking otherwise is stupid and irrational!

[totte]

now everyone take a deep breath and relax ;)

just to state the fact i have been playing this game for well 10 years or so by now i guess, does that mean i finish great all the time of course not. i never finish (great) do i care well no.

i play this game because of and for the friends i have made over the years and have always played mainly for the better of my nation rather then my silly state... it's called nation wars after all :P

now max is abit of a hothead with an attitude:)

as for CommCap and gang so you dont like the unwriten rules right? here is a little wake up call just so you know you can break rules that are not in the tos ever crossed your mind should spice things up abit ;)

blaa makes a very good point you should all listen up :)

now i didnt bother to read all of this thred but nevermind :)

ugh longest post i've made in years **** you mr p :P

[Mr President]

Nation-Wars will always be won by the players who have played every set of Nation-Wars and many many sets of WoW simpily because of how complicated the game is

So new players should finish in 1st place their first set while veterans who have spent years learning the game shouldn't?



Comm Cap was in a position to come in 1st/2nd and a few mistakes led to Mr.P grabbing him for what imho was a rediculous amount of land. Unlike me however Comm Cap took the alternative route. He didnt give in to the years of un written rules of the game. And quite frankly Mr. P don't complain about the outcome of a game that you manage and have complete control over. If the manor in which he suicided you at the end of the set was in your opinion unfair than make it impossible to do.


First of all, making it so suicides are illegal is NOT and unwritten rule of the game, it IS against the rules of the game. Please refer to the tos for further proof. And for the record, I even went further then a rule, I enacted the Patriot Act which allowed roll backs to those who were suicided against. The members voted to have it removed as they felt it was no business of the admins to get involved with game issues.



I love Nation-Wars and i love its members but i too can see where Comm Cap is coming from. Its easy for you guys to make the top ten (well top 5 now) look easy because you've played NW/WoW for over/around 6,7,8 years. To a new player coming into the game he sees these unwritten rules and the simple fact of one to two mistakes a set ruins your chances of coming in first and they lose all desire to continue knowing that the more experienced member base will ALLWAYS have the advantage. And its not like there are secret tricks to be the best its just the experience that it takes to be a top 5 state and when Comm Cap saw that your experience was going to make it impossible for him to beat you out, he used is audacity that comes from a newer member not deeply ingrained by the years of unwritten rules and he used a part of the game that you designed to ruin your chances. It may have been Com Caps mistakes that led to Mr. Ps grab but it was Mr. P's grab that ruined Com Caps set. So all and all Com Cap did to you what you did to him. Dont like it, change the rules and make your unwritten rules written ones. Make a Warning for new players about triple taps and doubles in the top 10 this **** you guys come to expect out of every player and yet they had no means of understanding these rules because unless being tutored there is no one/thing to tell them these rules.
I Guess what it bottles down too is Imbalance in experience between new players and older players is what drives members away from this game and this is a perfect turtling example.

It's easy for me to make top 10? Do you ever pay attention to me playing? I have been playing since the end of 2003 and this is the first time I have ever won a set, and I have tried many times. It hardly comes easy for me. I get grabbed all the time, I was getting grabbed by Blaa early in the set as well as by Comm Cap but did I choose suicide? It has nothing to do with how the game is set up, but it has everything to do with the person playing.




Sorry max, but your last few post have been inappropriate. I don't agree to most of the things comcap did last set, but doing what you are doing is not a solution.
It is funny how people just bash me and comcap for playing so poorly last set. It almost feels like it was inevitable for us to crash and burn. Although I am not stating that we played a supertrooper set. There are a handful of excuses I could bring (why we lost to mrp), but its a funny thing with excuses - like *******s, we all have one. So I am not going to go there.
What I'm asking for is some little good sportmanships. Being told in every thread that me and comcap did an awful set is not true in my opinion. I would have finished 3rd any way (behind nhn and mrp) for sure and I don't see how that is a bad set? I did a great jump. I had more land after I did my jump than nhn had, but can't beat a casher in this case, so gratz to nhn.
So again, show some respect and stop having battles in forums.

I don't think you had a bad set at all. Actually it was very fun and competitive. I haven't payed that much attention to my state in a long long time. Thank you for making the challenge worth it. And had you come in first (legally) then I would have congratulated you in the same manner as I am now. However, Comm Caps attacks tick me off even more as you and I were having a nice competition for the top spot.


That attitude you have is exactly what im talking about Max its not the fact that being a Veteran is a bad thing. Its the attitude that you own the game and your opinions are law. If Mr. P didn't like how he got "suicided" than he should take it out of the game plain and simple.

And my lecture about unwritten rules is completely valid. You have played the game for 9 years so you know these unwritten rules. But the fact of the matter is these unwritten rules put veteran players at an advantage and until changes are made they allways will be. Further more how the game is set up currently will always cater to the more experienced player and the player that spends the most time playing and as long as that continues you will continue to lose players till only the most veteran players will be left and the game will have an unsustainable about of members.

Its things like this that attest to the very stick everyone has up their asses about how the game is "supposed to be played" Comm Cap had one goal in mind at the end of the set and that was to Ruin Mr. P's. Got a problem with it? take it out of the game its truly as simple as that.

Honestly i see no hope for this game unless changes are made that puts everone at a more even playing level so that new players dont feel overwhelmed by the sheer elaborateness of the game and the experience of its veteran members.

So each time I have an issue I should remove it from the game? That isn't very fair to everyone else... I try to be as fair as I can so people don't think I'm wrapping the game around my style of playing or anyone else's for that matter. And how can suiciding be removed from the game? You don't think Svenne tried? You don't think I tried? Heck we have been trying to figure it out for years but there really isn't much we can do. Suiciding ruined WoW! PERIOD!!! And it has had a big effect on Nation Wars as well. But I will add this, we haven't had a suicider in over a year.. Even new players to the game have respect for other players to not suicide them. Yes they love to kill and don't understand the attacking parts fully, but they have more respect for members then our veteran player CC.

I'm not going to keep this going anymore. It happened and I'm extremely disappointed in CC's actions. Someone who has worked hard at helping the game just goes off and does things like that bothers me. Basically what he was saying is, if I can't win or the person I want to win can't win, then you won't. I can see why people leave the game when suicided. I didn't put half the work into my state as others have in the past just to have it ruined by someone like that... Why would you want to stay... And you wonder why suiciders hurt the game.

Anyway, let's move on..

[CommunistCapitalism]

I think what is really what is missing from the information provided in this thread is that at the end of the set, with 540m networth, you only had 5m level 1 spies. Come on now, in the old days that so many people love to talk about here you would have gotten shot down post-haste. Shouldn't the last 5-10 days of the set be more than quick, who can build the most ships? Should you get a free pass if you leave your state undefended on the last day of the set? Just my thoughts, there is no right or wrong answer, but top states rush to cover their defenses on all of the other bases to guard themselves form being attacked, shouldn't ship-hording be looked upon in the same light as infantry-hording? All points for discussion as far as i'm concerned. If you had a better stock pile of upgraded spies this attack would have been seriously mitigated. My rule of thumb is if you don't have enough spies to protect yourself at least 90% of the incoming attacks, you are in no position to complain about the attacks because you did not prepare yourself against them. If you fail a test in a class, is it the professors fault for showing you that you had a serious gap in knowledge and giving you a bad grade, or should he/she just give you a grade you don't deserve and make sure you don't learn your lesson?

[Mrmcjoey15]

Ehhh...so everything Mr P doesn`t like he should take out of the game? i hear he doesn`t like Indy, he plays casher, so I guess we take out indy. Mr P doesn`t like it, so it has to go!


I`d expected as much from you, to support suiciders. It`s a shame really, how people like you have brought this game here. All the people who have quit only because they grew tired of being suicided. People like you who encourage suicide are as bad as the ones who suicide. Shame really. How can suicide be justified? I don`t like you, I suicide you, mwuahahaha, bite me!!! Man, you really got issues if you think it`s right! Who gives you rights to judge how I play? If you wanna suicide, get a friend who wants you to suicide him and leave the people who really try their best each month alone. How would you or ComCap like getting killed just because I wanted the state name you just got? Or if anyone either of you grabbed last set would decide to AA you and spy op you? Wanna bet you both would be here screaming about the injustice, how you got suicided!! So don`t give me that bull****, you`re just a hypocrit!


And how would you create a game where experienced players are at the same level as new players? In every game experience matters, so yeah, 6-9 years, even 3-5 will ALWAYS and SHOULD always win over 1-6 months. No offense but thinking otherwise is stupid and irrational!

Yes if you dont like someone's ideals and the way that they run their state/gov and there is a way to ruin their set then yes why the **** not?

And you must be a republican the way you take everything i say and use it in its most literal form. I don't mean everything Mr. P doesn't like he should just remove but a thing as simple as Suiciding? take the spy ops used to suicide out of the game as they are VERY seldom used for anything else or if not just make them unusable outside of war problem solved. But you people like to keep these unwritten rules where suiciding is just something you talk about being bad and unacceptable.

And again you take my words to literally i don't want a game where a first time player can come in first. But i would like and i think the community would appreciate it if the game was easier to understand where a newer player wouldn't have to worry about making that one mistake and it ruining their set. but hey that's me.

And its not like com cap had no reason to hate Mr. P if you got grabbed 17k land you would hate the person who did it too and the fact that there is a way no matter how cheap it is to get back at them you would use it and if you wouldn't your just stupid.

I don't think Suiciding is a good thing or even something that should be in the game but unlike you i don't cry about someone using a feature of the game. You all cry about suiciders but do nothing about it.

But who am i compared to the almighty veteran of 9 years Max Logan?

AND By the ****ing way i have never played a set with Com Cap nor have i ever conversated with him so its not like im sticking up for a friend or something im just not afraid to talk about the elephant in the room.

[Mr President]

im just not afraid to talk about the elephant in the room.

Are you calling me fat? :)

Com Cap, what is enough? Everyone knows there is no way to fully protect your state from a suicide. If I had 1k spies then I would agree with you that I deserved it, but I had OVER 6m spies.. (5m after your attacks). All your trying to do is turn the attention to somehow make this my fault that you decided the only way to beat me was to resort in the weakest spot in the game, suciding.. As I said, I'm passed it and ready to move on. I'm not even pissed anymore. I'm just a little sad that people who have played this game as long as you see someone new could possibly win the set and you do that.

What is most funny in this matter is, I grab you with a legal attack and you flip out and blow up some ships... But yet, I get to the top spot completely legit and you feel it's ok to suicide. So I can't grab you legally, but you can suicide? Which by the way is against the rules.. And not the "unwritten" rules either. Listen you have your reasons for doing what you did. I don't understand them or even respect them. I think it was a low thing to do as I would have been accepting if someone beat me out legally, but again that is me. But remember, there will be a day when you are on top working hard to keep it and someone will come along and remove you... I don't want to hear a word from you.


@ Joey,
And its not like com cap had no reason to hate Mr. P if you got grabbed 17k land you would hate the person who did it too and the fact that there is a way no matter how cheap it is to get back at them you would use it and if you wouldn't your just stupid.

Do you not think I was grabbed by him during the first few weeks of the set? So it's ok for Com Cap to LG me and take my land, but when I do it back he has the right to hate me and suicide me?

And to remove things in the game that allows suiciding would pretty much clear out the game. Perhaps we should have no war attacks and just land grab from each other all set. I'm not trying to take everything you say literally, I'm just trying to give a B side to your argument. Suiciding has plagued this game forever. People smarter than me ( and there are lots of them) have tried to find a solution to it while still keeping the game balanced and free of limitations. I have made war attacks for war time only and people didn't like it. I have made the Patriot Act that allows suicided states to be rolled back and people didn't like it. I have tried making it against the rules and people don't like it.. Without removing every single attack that harms a state how would you suggest we fix the issue? I'm all ears for a solution lol It all comes down to the class of people we have playing the game. There should be respect among the players that if they beat you fair and square then you either legally war them or bow down and let them take the reward they earned. If Com Cap declared war against us and killed me or hit me so bad it took me out of the top spot then so be it.. I wouldn't have liked it, but I would have still had respect for him trying to dominate the game in a legal manner. Suiciders will never have my respect as a game admin or a nation leader. You all can try to fancy this anyway you want but the point is, he resorted to suicide.. Not cause of unwritten rules, not because I didn't have enough spies and not because George W Bush beat Al Gore in the 300th recount.. It was cause he was beat fair and square and he didn't like it.. Time and time again I step back and let others take the top spots cause I feel that an admin shouldn't win his own game.. Plus most of the time I'm not able to win, but this one time I decided to let the cards fall as they may and instead of being able to enjoy the win or the feeling of achievement, I have to deal with a suiciders bullsh!t line of excuses.


Anyway, as I said it happened, it's over and it's time to move on. Revenge will come at the right time and it will be funny to see who is pointing out spies, unwritten rules, sucides ect ect at that time. :)

[CommunistCapitalism]

Pres you are the one pushing the blame now, I am sure most veterans would agree 6m spies unupgraded is an inadequate defense for a top state at that stage of the game. I am not that upset that someone new won the set, you didn't see me cry excessively when i had 45 turns trapped in storage at the end of the july set that prevented me from winning. If I want to see my nation do well, even if it is through nefarious means, I do not see why I am not allowed to do this, like it has been suggested, if you seriously call this suiciding, and suiciding is against the rules, why is it legal to do destructive spy ops then outside of war? Why leave them in the game if very simple coding could prevent their usage. This game is too narrow and I want to broaden my horizons and I wanted to see my nation member win the set. Also, you are already twisting your history, when you grabbed me, i blew up infantry, not ships. I feel I have been perfectly reasonable and no amount of personal insults, profanity, or nonsensical trolling by max logan can change my way of thinking. I do personally appreciate your level tone, even if I don't agree with you, it is refreshing that you at least can make a point without hitting the caps lock or cussing like a drunken sailor.

ComCap

[MAGGIO]

I don't think individual scores should count so much in a team based game. They should count but not so much. The players that are overly obsessed with their own stats are typically the ones who complain the most about this stuff. Since when is there a "I" in nation-wars. I move to request all individual acts receive no reward or recognition moving foward and only nation accomplishments be rewarded.

[Nat22]

Since when is there a "I" in nation-wars..

psst it's after the "T" Maggio!

lol :P

[Calvin74]

Pres you are the one pushing the blame now, I am sure most veterans would agree 6m spies unupgraded is an inadequate defense for a top state at that stage of the game. I am not that upset that someone new won the set, you didn't see me cry excessively when i had 45 turns trapped in storage at the end of the july set that prevented me from winning. If I want to see my nation do well, even if it is through nefarious means, I do not see why I am not allowed to do this, like it has been suggested, if you seriously call this suiciding, and suiciding is against the rules, why is it legal to do destructive spy ops then outside of war? Why leave them in the game if very simple coding could prevent their usage. This game is too narrow and I want to broaden my horizons and I wanted to see my nation member win the set. Also, you are already twisting your history, when you grabbed me, i blew up infantry, not ships. I feel I have been perfectly reasonable and no amount of personal insults, profanity, or nonsensical trolling by max logan can change my way of thinking. I do personally appreciate your level tone, even if I don't agree with you, it is refreshing that you at least can make a point without hitting the caps lock or cussing like a drunken sailor.

ComCap


i actually think 6m spies is sufficient for the end of the set. especially with the spy random factor it doesn't make much sense to go any higher really...

other than that i enjoy seeing a lot of activity here:)
although I think you should still have H and fight your war over it even if you are vastly out numbered.

[CommunistCapitalism]

yeah i couldn't though i am in college, blaa is in estonia, and nobody but bright would give a thoughtful response to my pms despite my pleading and prodding. its ok, i realizaed i wasn't that good of a leader and was dissapointed in the set as a whole for my nation after the first set where we had a number of active participators in the nation discussion. I wouldn't have minded fighting and dying but it would have been just foolish looking if I tried to fight a war nobody else besides bright wanted to fight (and possible jeff capes?).

[Max Logan]

Pres you are the one pushing the blame now, I am sure most veterans would agree 6m spies unupgraded is an inadequate defense for a top state at that stage of the game. I am not that upset that someone new won the set, you didn't see me cry excessively when i had 45 turns trapped in storage at the end of the july set that prevented me from winning. If I want to see my nation do well, even if it is through nefarious means, I do not see why I am not allowed to do this, like it has been suggested, if you seriously call this suiciding, and suiciding is against the rules, why is it legal to do destructive spy ops then outside of war? Why leave them in the game if very simple coding could prevent their usage. This game is too narrow and I want to broaden my horizons and I wanted to see my nation member win the set. Also, you are already twisting your history, when you grabbed me, i blew up infantry, not ships. I feel I have been perfectly reasonable and no amount of personal insults, profanity, or nonsensical trolling by max logan can change my way of thinking. I do personally appreciate your level tone, even if I don't agree with you, it is refreshing that you at least can make a point without hitting the caps lock or cussing like a drunken sailor.

ComCap

You make perfectly reasonable sense, you coward weak *** wannbe suicider!!! :p

[Dogma]

I have a comment on this but no time, I will make my comments later

[Max Logan]

Ok, I was work, now I`m home.

How is ComCaps judgment reasonable? So everyone who gets outrun netting has a fair chance and an obligation to suicide the one who is better then him? Hmm, makes sense, but just 95% of all people who ever played WoW/NW think the other way around. But ok, ComCap is right, cuz, hell, it`s him and he gotta be right! Right?

2nd, USA is to be disbanded, because it`s unfair for one nation to have such a good recruitment policy and loyal members, so they should all leave and make their own nations, so we can all play on one man tags and really 'test the power'. Then we can ban 2 man tags or cooping as soon as someone does it, because, hell it`s unfair for 2 people to gangbang 1 person!

3rd players older then 2 years must be forced to quit, because it`s game destroying for experience player to be better then new players. new players should be given the chance to win on the 2nd set, at least. To be strict, players over 1 year can only play half their turns, players over 6 month, 3/4 of their turns. A player may be allowed to play past the 2nd year if he only plays the bonus turns. perfectly reasonable and just.

4th we should grant everyone who wants an automatic victory, so players like ComCap don`t have to spend time, energy and can win by just wishing so, because if you wish strong enough it has to come true! ComCap as a pioneer of this idea should be granted automatic vistor every set from now until he decides to nominate someone else for the victory!


I believe all the points made are reasonable and true, and everyone should oblige to them and execute as standard procedure! Much appreciated!

[CommunistCapitalism]

You are so right max, you know what, i really like the way the game is heading, lets not make any changes, this atmosphere has proved to be a really suitable environment for new players or even old players to come back and play. I'd say the forums has become a private group of about 10-15 people and of the 50-60 people who use their turns on a daily basis, i'd estimate at least half are expand-builds. So you know what, excuse me for trying to breathe some life, instill some change, because honestly what we have going for us now just isn't fitting the bill. Our growth is like the american economy, anemic and unsupported, because we are not addressing the core issues that I believe poison the game and are more focused on covering them up with makeup by only adding small trivial pieces of garnish to the game.

I'll go right ahead and say that I think the adjustment to the bank cap is going to instill a really boring new nation-wars that has too many players stocking for too long during a set. To anyone who has played earth-empires and knows that there is no bank feature, do you really think that an even larger bank is necessary? I think that the best part of this game is the thrill of the chase, the first few days when people are trying to secure a spot at the top and then utilize it for the rest of the set while others try to take them down.

Honestly max, you may not like my ideas that i've put forth in various threads and i'm ok with that, I respect your opinion, I just wish you had an opinion other then keep everything the way it is. I am under the opinion that the status quo in this game is suffocating and choking the little bit of life that we have left in this game. Do any of you realize that had I not stirred up some commotion, the forums would have continued to be absurdly dead? Look at how many posts mr p's post on the changelog for next set, 5 posts 2 days after it was made, and in it contains the "much hyped" bank cap. People really care! I would look at the forums and think it is like a vacant boom town in the wild west. What once was great has moved on to other games because people in the community don't take the time to post on the forums, and when they do, people like you are just rude, obnoxious, and unproductive.

[MAGGIO]

I have never been awsome enough to fight for 1st place or even 10th place. If I was 11th, I think I would AA 10th so i could get a top 10 finish. Is that bad?

I know that is a little off topic, but it just seems silly to "out net" someone when you clearly have bombs and missles to help out.

[Max Logan]

we`ll talk after you play a year being suicided every set for the luls of it. I wonder how would ComCap talk is he would`ve been AAed by Mr P out of top 10!

[CommunistCapitalism]

we`ll talk after you play a year being suicided every set for the luls of it. I wonder how would ComCap talk is he would`ve been AAed by Mr P out of top 10!

You make it sound like this is a big deal to get into the top ten now. Again, you fail to read my posts or my points, and continue to demagogue me to to death, you're pathetic, stop trolling on forums and don't post unless you have something valuable to say.

[Nat22]

don't post unless you have something valuable to say.

I point you in the direction of your post in Maggio's thread about nation size.... You looked, didn't see what YOU wanted so posted that it wasn't what you wanted.... very valuable!

[Max Logan]

You make it sound like this is a big deal to get into the top ten now. Again, you fail to read my posts or my points, and continue to demagogue me to to death, you're pathetic, stop trolling on forums and don't post unless you have something valuable to say.

There`s no point to your posts - you got beat, you lost, Mr P still won, get over it, live on! Don`t be spoiled little brat and start a freaking revolution, cuz people have tried and the game hasn`t changed. Move on

[CommunistCapitalism]

Alright, i'll move on from the game, good luck max, you're right, people have tried, the game hasn't changed, and that is the problem. The game has lost its luster, sadly I think a good number of people play out of a sense of obligation not because it is fun anymore. All i know is you're right, and i'm gone, good bye and good day.

[Mr President]

The game has lost its luster, sadly I think a good number of people play out of a sense of obligation


I agree 100% with this comment. But I would assume that it's the same way with any game. People find a game that fits them as well as a good community that they feel part of and they stay on out of obligation.

One thing I would like to point out though, Suiciding is and always will be what brings the game down. You spend countless hours reaching for the top only to be knocked off cause someone went 100% one unit and removed you. Most can handle war cause they can fight back, but a sucide is very demoralizing to a player and they just leave... You can make all the suggestions you want and I'll listen and try to improve the game with them, but anytime anyone tries to justify suiciding, I'll quit listening. It will never help them game no matter how we try to paint the picture.

Most of our vets are gone cause they grew up and life took over. Younger generations don't like turn based games as they don't have graphics. There is still a call for these kinds of games and they are still fun to play, but we will never have 3k members again.. So why do we continue to speak like we will? Stop making it sound like the game is going down and lost it's luster and unless people can just suicide nobody will want to play... not true! Someone who works hard and achieves the goals he's looking for will stick around a long time and have more interest in the game. A suicider gets bored after a couple sets of ruining peoples fun and then leaves.. People who work hard and win the challenges stick around.

Also, there has been more changes in the last year to this game then in it's lifetime. Some changes have worked while others have not. We don't know till we try.. Same with the bank limit. I'm not fond of it, but others are and I'm willing to give it a try.. if it fails then we'll remove it.. But we at least have to try.

There are lots of things we can still do to make the game more fun. The biggest thing is getting the people involved in the community. Easier than it sounds. Nobody wants to post on the forums anymore. I am planning on working on making it so nations get a private part of these forums and do away with the ingame forums. If we can get them to come on here and post for there nation, then they will more likely want to post on the regular forums as well. Nation leaders really need to try to get communication flowing among their nations. Again easier said then done.

We are a work in progress.. Sometimes we make great strides, other times we fall back some.. It happens! But anything to do with suiciding will always be mega steps back!

[totte]

good point!

i still want an irc chan because i think that was very good for activity and comunity bonding or whatever you want to call it back in the days...

but that is just my 2 cents and yes i know we have talked about this before ;)