EURO declares on ICN [Archive] - Nation-Wars Game Forums

Scav

03-09-2012, 12:24

EURO is and has allways been a war tag. This set therefore is to be no different. We are aiming at high total nw. killed, if not the thrill of the kill.

Dureing the last week, we have been scouting numerous nations, registering log times and weaknesses in each. In the end ICN was still a late choice as we picked up significant strenghtening of SAMS in our preferred target makeing them as decently defende as ICN was. In the end i decided to go for ICN for a number of reasons.

They are the number 1 tag, with a significant lead over the others, if you are going to war you might as well go for the strongest, despite being at a disadvantage member wise.
Their alliance with LoR basicly devides the server between the have and the have nots
A kill in ICN grants the most NW to our NW Killed

Of course we would have liked to kill #261. But unfortunatly he was on almost all day, and did a brilliant job defending with the selling of 100M inf on BM and buying of 8M SAMS on PM.
Complements as well for the spyop usage which was quite effective against some of us.

War is intended to be a short one.

With regards to the db anomality, yes we shouldn't have hit #261 with them, but oh well heat of the battle... after a few hits i contacted mr. Pres, informed him what and when it happened and asked for a rollback which was done.

I wish ICN the best of luck, and will enjoy our encounter on the battlefield.

Nation score stats post declaration - pre war
302
ICN Members post declaration - pre war
303
EURO Members post declaration - pre war
304

Dureing war EURO will consider any attacks or ops on its members (this includes SOMS, SA and any other op aimed at us by others than ICN a hostile act. Offenders will be registered and dealt with post war until we are satisfied with the retribution. Make no mistake, we do not care if we need to do multiple restarts to get to them, but they will be hunted and caught.

and now...

time to put the kids to bed, buy some cigs and put some beers in the cooler...

Good luck to ICN

kanman

03-09-2012, 15:10

And what if euro sa's other nations?

boostah

03-09-2012, 15:20

And what if euro sa's other nations?

Join in the fun is my guess. Rules goes both ways in my opinion

blaa

03-09-2012, 15:21

52m bombers from black market???

his state was worth 90g
my state 54g

he either is a very good player or he cheated somehow. Could we please get some admin to have a look? Me = Mind blown at the moment

Max Logan

03-09-2012, 15:27

nope, not 52m bombers from BM

and it took him only 50b to get those. He could`ve easily cashed it

blaa

03-09-2012, 15:31

its worth 70g in PM anyway

my state = 54g atm

with his pre attack state (12000 land) it would take 1400 turns to cash that kind of money (production about 35m, full support, 15% tax)

Margus

03-09-2012, 15:31

How does a state go from this at 19:58:49-2012/03/09:

State:EURO Razez(#646)[] Leader: Tharaxin Rank: 27 Networth:9.805.193
Turns: 284 Turns Taken: 1.344 Turns Stored: 98
Economics
Population: 44.909.174 Tax Rate: 50%
Science: 69 Food: 1.000.000 Money: 408.396.581
Structuring Military
Commercial Zones: 4.796
Residential Zones: 6.976
Industrial Zones: 0
Farming Zones: 0
Science Facilities: 0
Construction Sites: 199
Total Land: 12.021
Free Land: 50

Spies: 48.765 Level:8
Infantry: 2.562.040 Level:8
Tanks: 35.282 Level:1
Jets: 69.918 Level:8
Bombers: 7.371.488 Level:8
SAMs: 177.716 Level:8
Ships: 600.266 Level:8
Missiles: 0 Level:0

Then we bombed a lot of his bombers with spies because he kept attacking our states, then at 20:07:08-2012/03/09 this is his intel:

State:EURO Razez(#646)[] Leader: Tharaxin Rank: 28 Networth:5.392.987
Turns: 212 Turns Taken: 1.418 Turns Stored: 97
Economics
Population: 44.894.493 Tax Rate: 50%
Science: 69 Food: 394.818 Money: 1.282.756.756
Structuring Military
Commercial Zones: 4.796
Residential Zones: 6.976
Industrial Zones: 0
Farming Zones: 0
Science Facilities: 0
Construction Sites: 224
Total Land: 12.046
Free Land: 50

Spies: 48.765 Level:8
Infantry: 2.562.040 Level:8
Tanks: 35.282 Level:1
Jets: 33.932 Level:8
Bombers: 3.019.710 Level:8
SAMs: 177.716 Level:8
Ships: 600.266 Level:8
Missiles: 0 Level:0

And then suddently jumps top1 with this at 20:23:04-2012/03/09 :

State:EURO Razez(#646)[] Leader: Tharaxin Rank: 1 Networth:46.425.207
Turns: 147 Turns Taken: 1.487 Turns Stored: 95
Economics
Population: 52.429.454 Tax Rate: 50%
Science: 54 Food: 580.912 Money: 88.773.891
Structuring Military
Commercial Zones: 5.857
Residential Zones: 8.565
Industrial Zones: 208
Farming Zones: 0
Science Facilities: 0
Construction Sites: 232
Total Land: 20.973
Free Land: 6.111

Spies: 334.405 Level:8
Infantry: 2.124.420 Level:8
Tanks: 29.500 Level:1
Jets: 27.570 Level:8
Bombers: 43.259.625 Level:8
SAMs: 152.848 Level:8
Ships: 496.744 Level:8
Missiles: 0 Level:0

Basically a state with low land whole set just got 90bil from somewhere during war?

A bug?

Someone please invistigate because he could of jumped to top1 with a stock like that instead he used it while warring (he started attacking with like 8m bombers)

Scav

03-09-2012, 15:34

And what if euro sa's other nations?

well thats up to the other nation to decide...just stateing EURO retal policy here

Max Logan

03-09-2012, 15:35

its worth 70g in PM anyway

my state = 54g atm

with his pre attack state (12000 land) it would take 1400 turns to cash that kind of money (production about 35m, full support, 15% tax)

at 12k land the production is worth 50m at least
I have almost 15k land and I produce 70m per turn cashing with 23% tax and 155% support

He needed 800 turns to get that. Not that unlikely, as he jumped full bombers which gives more net and power then tanks but cost the same - something you would never do netting, because of the upkeep and having no defenses.

blaa

03-09-2012, 15:39

i did my calculations with cashing. 35m*1,75

it would take him 876 turns to get 52m bombers with min price from PM

he was not on land 12000 for last 876 turns. he did not cash all his last 876 turns

ranger2112

03-09-2012, 16:04

Formal declaration to be posted here later on...

Nation score stats post declaration - pre war
302
ICN Members post declaration - pre war
303
EURO Members post declaration - pre war
304

Dureing war EURO will consider any attacks or ops on its members (this includes SOMS, SA and any other op aimed at us by others than ICN a hostile act. Offenders will be registered and dealt with post war until we are satisfied with the retribution. Make no mistake, we do not care if we need to do multiple restarts to get to them, but they will be hunted and caught.

and now...

time to put the kids to bed, buy some cigs and put some beers in the cooler...

Good luck to ICN

Then have your players NOT SA other nations. Any USA member who is SA'd by EUro will have my full permission to do an SA against a Euro state in order to get their land back. Should Euro wish to make this a war-like offense, they are welcome to test the mettle of USA.

SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 317 Land / 317 Buildings, 64.613 Food 20:33:41-2012/03/08

Scav

03-09-2012, 16:04

posting state # and names is in bad taste ;-) and enticing hits on named state.

Scav

03-09-2012, 16:06

SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 317 Land / 317 Buildings, 64.613 Food 20:33:41-2012/03/08[/QUOTE]

either server times differ for different parts of the world or thats a hit from yesterday....

Gametime: 21:06:06-2012/03/09

Tharaxin

03-09-2012, 16:07

plus he's posting a hit which happened yesterday

Max Logan

03-09-2012, 16:07

Ranger fluffed up a 'little'

Margus

03-09-2012, 16:08

You can't have that kind of stock with that state alone. Maybe tens of hours of worth market feeding, but still then you wouldn't waste your first 100 turns attacking with 8m bombers or not grabbing top1-2 states without that kind of stock. Also EURO-s tax is 25% and he hasn't left EURO I believe. If this is all legit and no rules were broken then WOW, this is truly impressive. Still this all seems way too weird to be true.
I had a good netting war with Kanman and I'm happy about that. Reminded how good game NW is. I knew war was coming but you still took me by a little surprise so I had a lot of infantry stuck selling at PM (Whole set I was "infantry whoring" because there just wasnt enough ships on the market. Half of what I own (6m) are from BM.) When war started one EURO guy (another state started attacking me, not #646, which is also weird. Why wouldn't you use a breaker with 50m+ bombers lol) broke me with a BR so I quickly sold 60m infantry to BM and bought a lot of sams from BM. Then after some defeats on me you guys started warring other states which took a while. (Fun pic lol. If it's a beginner then I'm sorry for laughing at you: http://i40.tinypic.com/2by98h.png ) Suddently I saw I was losing a lot of land. Bought sams up to ~15m quickly, but I still kept getting attacked. Then I saw the attacker had more NW than the current TOP1 and I just gave up lol.

Also #646 seemed to get a red turn (food 0 in at least 1 intel while attacking. We kept close eye on you) which doesn't really show that he is a player who could get a stock like that (well it might happen to anyone but you would be more careful if you had an army which you worked so hard for if this is legit). 25% Tax would make it impossible to successfully marketfeed. If many states sold bombers to PM with minimum price for #646 to buy then many states would of lost a lot of NW which I didnt notice.

This seems way too impossible : /

Someone please explain this and then I can accept that I've been bested

ranger2112

03-09-2012, 16:20

posting state # and names is in bad taste ;-) and enticing hits on named state.

this is in reply to your signature. the member i am speaking about from the hit yesterday, hit me with a quad after a few hours before that a single hit. that is 5 hits in around 24 hours or so. i choose not to retal because I felt the guy may be new and not privy to our "unwritten rules" of no triples. USA will not have their grab policy dictated by another nation. I will ask my members to refrain from grabs, however, should a USA member grab a Euro state for land anything other than a legal hit on any USA members will not be tolerated and dealt with accordingly.

Scav

03-09-2012, 16:35

this is in reply to your signature. the member i am speaking about from the hit yesterday, hit me with a quad after a few hours before that a single hit. that is 5 hits in around 24 hours or so. i choose not to retal because I felt the guy may be new and not privy to our "unwritten rules" of no triples. USA will not have their grab policy dictated by another nation. I will ask my members to refrain from grabs, however, should a USA member grab a Euro state for land anything other than a legal hit on any USA members will not be tolerated and dealt with accordingly.

what are you talking about?
305

Scav

03-09-2012, 17:04

finally found what ranger is on about...

8th
SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 317 Land / 317 Buildings, 64.613 Food 20:33:41-2012/03/08

6th
SA EURO Bazhez(#640)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 219 Land / 218 Buildings, $691.809, 5.346 Food 21:08:59-2012/03/06
SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 416 Land / 414 Buildings, $713.205, 5.400 Food 19:35:41-2012/03/06
SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] Defeat / $7.580.640 19:33:57-2012/03/06
SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] Defeat / $16.192.851 19:33:50-2012/03/06

5th
SA EURO Razez(#646)[EURO] UNFORTUNATE(#16)[USA] 231 Land / 230 Buildings, 109.658 Food 17:11:01-2012/03/05

so no quad tap (tripple tap with 2 defeats and 1 hit by another player), the hit earlier is 26 hours earlier, not a few hours.

not that it is very relevant as each nation determines what is acceptable for itself. if you look at my sig and read it, you will see that it is my personal retal policy. USA might be more easy going, we don't accept any out-of-war attacks period

ranger2112

03-09-2012, 17:09

Nat22

03-09-2012, 17:23

well thats up to the other nation to decide...just stateing EURO retal policy here

EURO retal policy is retarded :)

bigstink

03-09-2012, 17:32

I find it fair :p

Rassputtin

03-09-2012, 17:51

1768 turns have been dolled out in the game so far. Someone break down for slow people like me why and how someone cheated?

BladeEWG

03-09-2012, 17:54

yeah, this is a lot of fun..

someone explain to me again why i put up with this cr@p?

L P

03-09-2012, 18:11

EURO retal policy is retarded :)

I believe calling the EURO retal policy "retarded" is also a violation of the EURO retal policy...

Can I get a ruling on this from EURO?

totte

03-09-2012, 18:14

well retarded or not atleast we have a retal policy show me any other nation who has :P

oh and mr p is looking into this

Margus

03-09-2012, 18:31

1768 turns have been dolled out in the game so far. Someone break down for slow people like me why and how someone cheated?
EURO started a war against ICN. EURO had been slowly killing our members for almost an hour until a state called EURO Razez(#646) started making attacks. He had around 8mil bombers. As he had only around 50k spies, we bombed a lot of his bombers with spies. He also made some defeats because of that. 20 minutes after he had made attacks with 5-8m bombers and also had used around 100 turns, he suddenly gained bombers up to 48m, so more than 40m bombers came out of nowhere. I'm state called "chase and status" and I've been netting my best, also Kanman was netting for top spot. We've had pretty interesting nettingwar because our states were pretty equal. Altough we did grab each other a bit, I think it's safe to say we were the best 2 states in the game. But with "EURO Razez" state gained up to around 48m bombers which would of been enough to break me and Kanman with SA. This isn't logical because 2 states that had been spending a lot of time doing their best to net are owned by a state with 2-3 times less land and who hasn't been making very good grabs. Also he did a jump during war AFTER he had used ~100 turns which doesn't also make sense. Marketfeeding (buying with min price and selling at max) isn't also an option as EURO nation has tax 25%. I do not know how he got those ~40m bombers like that but it just seems very suspicious. I am not the type of player that goes in a rage mode after being owned and usually I can accept if I've been outplayed, but this just seems very weird. I hope an admin can check it out somehow so I could at least get an explanation how my set got ruined. If there was no cheating nor rule breaking then much respect to you EURO Razez for getting such good stock!

BladeEWG

03-09-2012, 18:34

and I'm waiting for the official declaration so I can see the logic in this war.

Mr President

03-09-2012, 18:40

EURO started a war against ICN. EURO had been slowly killing our members for almost an hour until a state called EURO Razez(#646) started making attacks. He had around 8mil bombers. As he had only around 50k spies, we bombed a lot of his bombers with spies. He also made some defeats because of that. 20 minutes after he had made attacks with 5-8m bombers and also had used around 100 turns, he suddenly gained bombers up to 48m, so more than 40m bombers came out of nowhere. I'm state called "chase and status" and I've been netting my best, also Kanman was netting for top spot. We've had pretty interesting nettingwar because our states were pretty equal. Altough we did grab each other a bit, I think it's safe to say we were the best 2 states in the game. But with "EURO Razez" state gained up to around 48m bombers which would of been enough to break me and Kanman with SA. This isn't logical because 2 states that had been spending a lot of time doing their best to net are owned by a state with 2-3 times less land and who hasn't been making very good grabs. Also he did a jump during war AFTER he had used ~100 turns which doesn't also make sense. Marketfeeding (buying with min price and selling at max) isn't also an option as EURO nation has tax 25%. I do not know how he got those ~40m bombers like that but it just seems very suspicious. I am not the type of player that goes in a rage mode after being owned and usually I can accept if I've been outplayed, but this just seems very weird. I hope an admin can check it out somehow so I could at least get an explanation how my set got ruined. If there was no cheating nor rule breaking then much respect to you EURO Razez for getting such good stock!

Taking care of this and will reply with results very soon.

BeeNo

03-09-2012, 18:58

looking at his grabs pre-war i'd say its very unlikely he accumulated the 50 billion stock needed to purchase that many bombers. it'd be 51 bil stock if there were was a 50 mil min price bomber feed. 30-40 billion would be very achievable as i pushing close to that with a late start, but with sub-par land grabs achieving 50 billion just doesn't look very plausible. i could be mistaken though, i don't even have state intels; thats just my quick analysis of it.

public market min price 51 billion stock needed.
public market max price 70.5 billion stock needed.
black market 84.6 billion stock needed.

so euro could clear things up quickly if they did a min price 50 million bomber feed or not, because if not i'd say its impossible. and with it, its still very unlikely. apologies if it turns out he did it legitimately.

pcgluva

03-09-2012, 18:59

See what happens when you let pcgluva war

State Defending: Losses: Time:
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09
SA burnt toast(#9)[EURO] Mystique(#314)[ICN] Defeat / 23:59:06-2012/03/09

::LD::GrimReapr

03-09-2012, 19:01

and I'm waiting for the official declaration so I can see the logic in this war.

I dont believe there is a rule stating you must have a declaration to war someone.
I do however remember seeing in their nation recruitment thread Infantry hoarders should consider your netting strats for next set. Just saying.

BladeEWG

03-09-2012, 19:26

Mr President

03-09-2012, 20:08

EURO started a war against ICN. EURO had been slowly killing our members for almost an hour until a state called EURO Razez(#646) started making attacks. He had around 8mil bombers. As he had only around 50k spies, we bombed a lot of his bombers with spies. He also made some defeats because of that. 20 minutes after he had made attacks with 5-8m bombers and also had used around 100 turns, he suddenly gained bombers up to 48m, so more than 40m bombers came out of nowhere. I'm state called "chase and status" and I've been netting my best, also Kanman was netting for top spot. We've had pretty interesting nettingwar because our states were pretty equal. Altough we did grab each other a bit, I think it's safe to say we were the best 2 states in the game. But with "EURO Razez" state gained up to around 48m bombers which would of been enough to break me and Kanman with SA. This isn't logical because 2 states that had been spending a lot of time doing their best to net are owned by a state with 2-3 times less land and who hasn't been making very good grabs. Also he did a jump during war AFTER he had used ~100 turns which doesn't also make sense. Marketfeeding (buying with min price and selling at max) isn't also an option as EURO nation has tax 25%. I do not know how he got those ~40m bombers like that but it just seems very suspicious. I am not the type of player that goes in a rage mode after being owned and usually I can accept if I've been outplayed, but this just seems very weird. I hope an admin can check it out somehow so I could at least get an explanation how my set got ruined. If there was no cheating nor rule breaking then much respect to you EURO Razez for getting such good stock!

At the turn of the hour there was a db bug that added about 46M bombers to his stock. I'm not positive what caused this, but I have a good idea. This was not someone abusing or exploiting a bug. There was also another DB error that happened at the same time which caused neg NA amounts. Negative NA amounts happen from time to time, but the other has never happened. (That I know of)
The state that gained the extra bombers had them removed and were set back to the amount he had 3 min before the issue happened. The state that received the attacks had a roll back to 3 min before the bug happened and the neg NA issue was set back to the proper amount.

My sincerest apologies to both nations. 99% of the time the game runs smoothly, but from time to time things pop up.

Nat22

03-09-2012, 21:21

I believe calling the EURO retal policy "retarded" is also a violation of the EURO retal policy...

Can I get a ruling on this from EURO?

Dammit!!! Looks like I've given them two reasons to attempt to butt**** my state! ::oops: Bad times!

Rassputtin

03-09-2012, 23:05

Well no surprise to see you spouting off on one of my posts.
Funny, i thought this was a ICN/EURO thread...silly me..I forgot it always has to be about you LD.
Contrary to what you may think tho, my world does not revolve around you so I care little of what you may have to say.

My post was in regards to the very first one here.
EURO declares on ICN
Formal declaration to be posted here later on...
I will eagerly await it.

His response was in regards to the post you had in regards to the first post of the thread. IE, you eagerly await a reason for war. He pointed out that EURO had already basically said infantry hoarders should reconsider thier strats. Seems like he gave you a pretty solid lead as to the answer your eagerly awaiting for.

You somehow turn that into him talking about himself and making it about himself. So contrary to your denial, since you decided to make it about LD and for some reason felt the need to state that your world does not revolve around him... i gotta say...

Me thinks thou does protest too much....

lol

blaa

03-10-2012, 02:25

we probably had just as much BR/AA defence as their states. our top states just had a lot more infantry.

hey, you can always find a reason.

sick of how people who invest little or no time get to 'force' their kind of play. While we net, we invest time into the game. We look for grabs, we calculate, we think things through, we consider alternatives. What do these warriors do? Expand/build for 1 week, buy some bombas and GoGoGo.

oh, and when i say their kind of play, I dont mean inf hoarding. I mean warring. It is so easy to make a state war. Just declare and kill some of his nation mates. But how could I make his state net? There is no way.

Oh, and in all honesty sorry for calling 646 a cheater. As it turns out it was just a bug I had no right to do so. In the heat of an attack, who knows what was he thinking about a gift of 40m bombers (perhaps he thought its some kind of bonus :D).

best of luck to euro
and max and rass and whoever was saying that getting 50m bombers is plausible then, F U

Scav

03-10-2012, 03:18

Warstats:

#375

263 BR = 526 turns
11 SA = 55 turns
_______________
581 total

#57 (lvl 12 bombers)

263 BR = 526 turns
11 SA = 55 turns
_______________
581 total

#73

204 BR = 408 turns
16 SA = 80 turns
_______________
488 turns

total nw killed: $34.759.524

Max Logan

03-10-2012, 03:40

and max and rass and whoever was saying that getting 50m bombers is plausible then, F U

It is. so FU

Scav

03-10-2012, 06:45

it seems there is some confusion with regards to the SA retal bit...so here goes for a clarification

The policy is WAR only.
outside of war, SA as you please.
but if people are hitting into us while we are at war we will not take this litely.
This policy makes perfect sence as a hit on us for 1k land by someone we are not warring will cut the number of turns needed to kill one of us for the war nation.
Otherwise people could simply solicit non warparties to hit us with SA's to cut down the number of BR the warring nation need to do.
The policy is simply intended to prevent outside interference

It is common practise in quite a few other online games...

Scav

03-10-2012, 06:57

either way we will declare peace tomorrow, as far as i can tell neither nation has much more to gain. There is not much more Nw left for us to gain as the top ICN are turtled up, and ICN looses connaction for netting with every turn they spend on us and every bit of cash stocked they invest in offense and defence.

ICN might view it differently though. we will see tomorrow

Max Logan

03-10-2012, 12:28

Don`t chicken out now just cuz their top states are 'big'...

Rassputtin

03-10-2012, 13:26

It is so easy to make a state war. Just declare and kill some of his nation mates. But how could I make his state net? There is no way.

Can't speak for everyone but you can make me net by not running an infantry hoarding defenseless state... I'm serious. If there were no states with 0, agm, 0 ships, or 150million infantry and 200k ships etc etc etc,

I wouldn't feel compelled to attack them. So you could force me to net, by taking away the fun of teaching someone a lesson for being defenseless.

Rassputtin

03-10-2012, 13:27

ICN got two in the CS. FYI

heyneken

03-10-2012, 14:53

Can't speak for everyone but you can make me net by not running an infantry hoarding defenseless state... I'm serious. If there were no states with 0, agm, 0 ships, or 150million infantry and 200k ships etc etc etc,

I wouldn't feel compelled to attack them. So you could force me to net, by taking away the fun of teaching someone a lesson for being defenseless.

How about you stop coming up with ridiculous excuses for your inability to net. Cheers.

::LD::GrimReapr

03-10-2012, 15:18

How about you stop coming up with ridiculous excuses for your inability to net. Cheers.

How about you stop coming up with ridiculous excuses for your inability to run a state that can get raped by 1 bomber?

::LD::GrimReapr

03-10-2012, 15:23

Well no surprise to see you spouting off on one of my posts.
Funny, i thought this was a ICN/EURO thread...silly me..I forgot it always has to be about you LD.
Contrary to what you may think tho, my world does not revolve around you so I care little of what you may have to say.

My post was in regards to the very first one here.
EURO declares on ICN
Formal declaration to be posted here later on...
I will eagerly await it.

You know I find this post of yours amusing. You bash me for posting in here or spouting off on your post but yet if I recall correctly your flap was going just fine in our skiff with LOR 2 sets ago that had nothing to do with you. Drop your Ego at the door mate get some thick skin or your gonna be an angry old man.

Margus

03-10-2012, 17:09

How about you stop coming up with ridiculous excuses for your inability to run a state that can get raped by 1 bomber?

What? His state has more offense and defense than yours. Probably has had the whole set.

heyneken

03-10-2012, 17:52

How about you stop coming up with ridiculous excuses for your inability to run a state that can get raped by 1 bomber?

You see, that's the difference between us. If I want, I can have a "balanced state" (which basically means I'm just going to war) and if I want, I can fight for top3 any round by netting. You, on the other hand, can only play "your style" by having a mediocre state with a somewhat retarded army, which at the end of the day is just boring.

::LD::GrimReapr

03-10-2012, 18:42

heyneken

03-10-2012, 19:07

I can hoard infantry too I choose not too for the simple fact I don't find it realistic that infantry can shoot down bombers and sink ships with their rifles. This is the reason I war defenseless states with nothing but infantry call it childish call is selfish I don't care what you call it you hoard infantry with no defense I'm going to war you or kill a few states until it gets changed which may take some time but I just bought 3 more months of premium so I'm not going anywhere just yet. You play to net and so did I at 1 point. I can net with a balanced state I have a top 5 finish with a balanced state so saying it cant be done is "retarded" you just got accustomed to it being an infantry hoarding fest till the end when you buy ships. I think we are making progress in our crusade for balanced states Ive seen more states this set with ships and agm more than I have before maybe its the threat of war I don't know, don't care either I pay to play this game as much as the next person and feel I can play how I chose and Im choosing to play the game that if you don't have def and choose not to have any then I choose to make you pay for it so you can feel the excitement of will he hit me next or will i be lucky?

Did you just compare a text-based game to real life and whether you find it realistic or not? :D

Anyway, absolutely every state can be taken down and absolutely every state can be taken down very easily. Maybe in a month or so there'll be some guy here saying that if you don't have 1m ships by the end of the third day from the start of the round, then he'll just AR you and blablabla hurrdurr. I guess you see where I'm going with this. But then again, I do understand you. Seeing someone have 50mil inf and 0 ships is very tempting to say the least, although, I think people at the top mostly have a minimum of a couple hundred thousand ships/agm. So uhm, can you explain what do you exactly mean by a balanced state? Where do you draw the line between someone having a decent defence and someone inf hoarding?

MAGGIO

03-10-2012, 19:26

that does lead me to wonder when the actual time limit is up? I just upgraded bombers today. semi-taking your time to upgrade gradually really affects your end position. so is it day 5 or day 8 or what? is that every set, or just when you feel like it?

Antichrist

03-10-2012, 20:43

I can hoard infantry too I choose not too for the simple fact I don't find it realistic that infantry can shoot down bombers and sink ships with their rifles. This is the reason I war defenseless states with nothing but infantry call it childish call is selfish I don't care what you call it you hoard infantry with no defense I'm going to war you or kill a few states until it gets changed which may take some time but I just bought 3 more months of premium so I'm not going anywhere just yet. You play to net and so did I at 1 point. I can net with a balanced state I have a top 5 finish with a balanced state so saying it cant be done is "retarded" you just got accustomed to it being an infantry hoarding fest till the end when you buy ships. I think we are making progress in our crusade for balanced states Ive seen more states this set with ships and agm more than I have before maybe its the threat of war I don't know, don't care either I pay to play this game as much as the next person and feel I can play how I chose and Im choosing to play the game that if you don't have def and choose not to have any then I choose to make you pay for it so you can feel the excitement of will he hit me next or will i be lucky?

I really dont get it. What's so bad about infantry hoarding if one can pull it off. Is it jealousy speaking? Seeing someone using words like "balanced army" and "crusade" in one sentences is quite weird. I'd like to point out that this game is based on ones and zeros (read: numbers and math) and the real life is not.

I'm sure you're netting skills are just fine, if you claim so, and being able to match top players is more than welcome for the game itself and for the community but I wonder if playing by ones rules only is a fair game as i havent seen heyne or anyone else telling that you actually should be hoarding infantry or following their rules or style.

The bottom line is that you've actually found efective means to kill this game or whats left of it - there arent many around who needs fine tutor like you and if you keep up the good work, then one day you'll be beloved as the "poop in the shower guy".

Hoebawt

03-10-2012, 20:47

Join the Crusade or burn in their path to BALANCEISM :)

::LD::GrimReapr

03-11-2012, 00:03

Did you just compare a text-based game to real life and whether you find it realistic or not? :D

Anyway, absolutely every state can be taken down and absolutely every state can be taken down very easily. Maybe in a month or so there'll be some guy here saying that if you don't have 1m ships by the end of the third day from the start of the round, then he'll just AR you and blablabla hurrdurr. I guess you see where I'm going with this. But then again, I do understand you. Seeing someone have 50mil inf and 0 ships is very tempting to say the least, although, I think people at the top mostly have a minimum of a couple hundred thousand ships/agm. So uhm, can you explain what do you exactly mean by a balanced state? Where do you draw the line between someone having a decent defence and someone inf hoarding?

If I can break you with 1 bomber or 1 Ship you definitely have a problem. If I can hit someone same size or bigger than me and lose 1-2% readiness or no readiness then your gonna get hit if i can throw 10-20 attacks in to you and refuel 4 turns your gonna feel it. If I am gonna lose 5% or more readiness in hitting you each attack that's not worth it to me.

::LD::GrimReapr

03-11-2012, 00:14

I really dont get it. What's so bad about infantry hoarding if one can pull it off. Is it jealousy speaking? Seeing someone using words like "balanced army" and "crusade" in one sentences is quite weird. I'd like to point out that this game is based on ones and zeros (read: numbers and math) and the real life is not.

I'm sure you're netting skills are just fine, if you claim so, and being able to match top players is more than welcome for the game itself and for the community but I wonder if playing by ones rules only is a fair game as i havent seen heyne or anyone else telling that you actually should be hoarding infantry or following their rules or style.

The bottom line is that you've actually found efective means to kill this game or whats left of it - there arent many around who needs fine tutor like you and if you keep up the good work, then one day you'll be beloved as the "poop in the shower guy".

This game also has other attacks in it. Does that mean if I can get away with using them its ok? Sure does! That's what war is for. I understand this is a game and I am not sure what you mean based on ones and zeros? If i wanted to play a fantasy game I would go play Sky Rim this is called Nation-wars and has modern day units in it not real fantasy like to me. Maybe your infantry are wearing capes with shirts that Have a big red S on it to stop bombers and Ships I don't know, me I'm looking for a bit more realism in a game called nation-wars with modern day units. If that makes me the bad guy or the "poop in the shower guy" guess I stink and well tough **** cause as I stated unless my 3 months premium gets revoked that I paid for ill play this game the way I want just as you will play the way you want. You want to win hoarding infantry have at it I'm gonna win by killing that infantry if its left undefended

Scav

03-11-2012, 04:14

08:11:55 - Sunday 11th of March 2012 War Status!
Our nation has declared peace on ICN[ICN], contact your nation leaders for more info.

War operations have been concluded, unless ICN decides to push on.

heyneken

03-11-2012, 04:52

If I can break you with 1 bomber or 1 Ship you definitely have a problem. If I can hit someone same size or bigger than me and lose 1-2% readiness or no readiness then your gonna get hit if i can throw 10-20 attacks in to you and refuel 4 turns your gonna feel it. If I am gonna lose 5% or more readiness in hitting you each attack that's not worth it to me.

Your readiness has nothing to do with someone else's "balanced state". I hope you understand that. Otherwise, just..lol.