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MellonColly
03-09-2012, 21:41
watchu want?
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 02:18
To war.
Your states had 0 AR defenses. As Grim said, if we can break with 1 unit, we will war you. It`s unforgivable to be THAT defenseless.
Impressive war DEAD!
Why didn't you declare on us or LoR? Atleast we would have been ready.
But hey, have fun.
Impressive war DEAD!
Why didn't you declare on us or LoR? Atleast we would have been ready.
But hey, have fun.
Because we don't have 0 AR defense? :p
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 03:06
Impressive war DEAD!
Why didn't you declare on us or LoR? Atleast we would have been ready.
But hey, have fun.
Because you`re at war with EURO?
We had enough of your whining last set, besides, it would be an easy war. ICN is too weak at warring, so EURO will be more then enough for you.
But if you want to, we can declare too, but don`t whine like last set - your schoolgirl crying really made us look evil!
A first strike and I'm not dead, this game has changed! First set back in ages and I get this lovely greeting, I never get warred when having a bad set.
:thinking:
Wars like this will not stop the inf hoarding. If you had mailed the leader to say that you would hit us unless we got some defence would be more effective imo. Sure it may not give you an easy first strike to stroke your e-peens with but who has ever enjoyed an easy war? I'm sure you'll reply with some vague comment about a forum post somewhere saying we were warned but that's weak.
I'm even on your side, I believe that inf hoarding needs to be worked out of the game you're just going about it the wrong way. I'm guessing the majority of new players don't read the forums and won't understand why they are dead or why they put all that effort in. Wars like this will also split the userbase down the middle half of which will agree you have the right attitudes the other half will accuse you of destroying the playerbase. But if you very openly warn the nation, they may get pissed at you trying to dictate and attack you first but then you've achieve your aim of balanced states. But if they don't listen to your warnings and you hit them a lot more of the player base would be on your side (probably).
This may have all been discussed before, if it has, please ignore this post
tl;dr We have FA for a reason.
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 04:26
People need to get over the - warring is evil - mentality.
Netting and sulking at this point is bad for the game. 60 members netting set after set is boring! There has to be some action to spice things up!
If we had 200, 300, 1000 players, then sure, we could make much interesting wars as everyone would be extremely careful, not to get hit at one point or another.
Right now, no matter whom we war, they always claim it was a cheap declaration, the opponent was not prepared, but it`s no really our fault the FS was that easy - as I said, you had 0 defenses and you were asking to be reminded about it! Next set you`ll get more defenses.
Honestly, it was either you or USA, as their top states are laughable. We made a randomizer and your name popped. You can blame a ****ty luck if that suits you, but 1m AR defenses would`ve saved you. 844m ain`t that much to invest for a weeks security!
I'm not sulking, I don't think warring is evil, I think one-sided (technically unprovoked) warring is evil.
Next set I won't have more defences, and neither will anyone else, unless they decide to war you/EURO back for this set. It has to be the leaders who instigate the change, once they start enforcing their own members to have defence then change will happen. Maybe your holy warring set after set will do that, but has it worked so far?
I know nothing I've written will change your mind, but maybe it'll make you think about possible different courses of actions. You may have already tried these but as I haven't been around recently I don't know, but for me the threat of war will create much better tension than the feeling of "oh we've been shafted by a FS... again"
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 04:49
We have a lot of sets/time to keep you reminding of the need to have some defenses ;)
But will you have the people left to war?
I know that is sulking behaviour but we both know some people will quit because of it. I'm sure you've thought it through and after this we'll just be covering old ground, so I'll try to keep my posts as on topic to the war as possible.
Will somebody please buy lots of food for me/put some bombers on the pm for me :)
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 05:01
well, some may quit, but it doesn`t say anything good about them. Some will stay because of the fun war brings
MellonColly
03-10-2012, 10:12
yep us stocking farmers got all the defence!
Mr President
03-10-2012, 10:16
Honestly, it was either you or USA, as their top states are laughable.
Our top states are in bad shape as most of us are farmers and our food is not selling. Can't buy goods with no money can ya...
Max, next time make an indy nation and start selling ships/tanks/whatever you choose. Being in casher nation and using tanks instead of infantry isn't really helping anyone excep giving you an excuse that you're not using infantry. This set it has been really hard for cashers/farmers not to buy infantry when 99% of units on PM are infantry. I have been talking about this years ago, but ships are better for a jumping state at first week. FACT. Ships are around 6% stronger and the expenses don't really matter at first week (land is growing very fast), especially for a casher/farmer that buys units AFTER he has made his turns (no extra expenses and you get 6% stronger army). The problem is infantry has been used the most at first week and it has been like this for years. It's hard to change that but if you at least try to flood markets with stuff other than infantry then there's a chance. Also talking with different nation leaders at start of set about buying/producing units other than infantry is a must. If the infantry hoarding really bugs you then don't forget to do those things.
I like your posts Nosejam and agree with what you're saying. I wish UB the best of luck!
@mr. P, i know you dont have alot but what you do have should have some balance.
@Margus, i think it point is to be able to defend from an attack type not necessarily a unit type. IE, aa, ga, ar, spyop.
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 12:14
Margus, the tanks were just a joke of a sort, we went both infantry and tanks, just thought having tanks was funny.
The point is not having/buying certain unit type, the point is you`re (they are) an easy target. 1 unit to break in BR? Well, they were asking for it!
You can blame whomever, whatever you want. Excuses like - there were no units in PM to buy - do not justify you not having defenses. You should be able to defend your state, or at least make an effort to kill. If you have no defense - blame yourself!
Rassputtin
03-10-2012, 13:29
watchu want?
Non defenseless states. You got money for infantry then you got money for SAM and ships.
Don't matter if your a stocking techer or a netting mixed strat, running totally defenseless is shame on you, not shame on us.
Margus, the tanks were just a joke of a sort, we went both infantry and tanks, just thought having tanks was funny.
The point is not having/buying certain unit type, the point is you`re (they are) an easy target. 1 unit to break in BR? Well, they were asking for it!
You can blame whomever, whatever you want. Excuses like - there were no units in PM to buy - do not justify you not having defenses. You should be able to defend your state, or at least make an effort to kill. If you have no defense - blame yourself!
So basically what you're saying is you're finding the weakest states who have most networth and kill them. Ok, I understand you have your reasons for doing this. Some states horading only one unit can be a problem and I understand you're trying to fix it, but your methods are wrong. At the moment I see DEAD as a bully who finds the weakest kid at the playground to push over and you even said that netting set after set is boring. How is killing defenseless states who don't really have a chance not boring to you or the nation being warred. If you really want to war and punish states who are hoarding one unit then give them some time to prepare. Making a forum thread or sending a nations leader a letter saying "Your states: #x, #y, #z, #... have weak defense and because of that we will declare war on you in the next 1-2 days. Good luck and next time make sure your nation members aren't defenseless" (not give exact time or it would be hard to FS against online states). This would make players think more about balancing out their army next time. Also give some fun for the game with warring and not make them want to leave this game. You would still have the upper hand because you had more time to prepare. Of course if a nation has 1-2 states in TOP1-5 with very low defense and others are war-ready then giving time to prepare is not needed, but if you pick nations like UB who weren't even in TOP3 at the time (farmers usually jump at end) and weren't in anyones way, then making war without any warning is pointless because even if you do kill 10 states or whatever to make your FS look impressive, you would still look bad. And I don't believe that you don't care if you look bad because you have been trying hard to justify your reasons for war.
DevilDog
03-10-2012, 14:00
Our top states are in bad shape as most of us are farmers and our food is not selling. Can't buy goods with no money can ya...
Hmmmm...sounds like you should sell your food at much lower prices then! :P
So basically what you're saying is you're finding the weakest states who have most networth and kill them. Ok, I understand you have your reasons for doing this. Some states horading only one unit can be a problem and I understand you're trying to fix it, but your methods are wrong. At the moment I see DEAD as a bully who finds the weakest kid at the playground to push over and you even said that netting set after set is boring. How is killing defenseless states who don't really have a chance not boring to you or the nation being warred. If you really want to war and punish states who are hoarding one unit then give them some time to prepare. Making a forum thread or sending a nations leader a letter saying "Your states: #x, #y, #z, #... have weak defense and because of that we will declare war on you in the next 1-2 days. Good luck and next time make sure your nation members aren't defenseless" (not give exact time or it would be hard to FS against online states). This would make players think more about balancing out their army next time. Also give some fun for the game with warring and not make them want to leave this game. You would still have the upper hand because you had more time to prepare. Of course if a nation has 1-2 states in TOP1-5 with very low defense and others are war-ready then giving time to prepare is not needed, but if you pick nations like UB who weren't even in TOP3 at the time (farmers usually jump at end) and weren't in anyones way, then making war without any warning is pointless because even if you do kill 10 states or whatever to make your FS look impressive, you would still look bad. And I don't believe that you don't care if you look bad because you have been trying hard to justify your reasons for war.
no offense but that sounds kinda silly.
the nation leaders with members that have no defense should be doing the warning, NOT the nations who are going to pounce on them.
so what your suggesting is that top players from nation A should be giving up advice to players in nation B so they can beat nation A on the score chart. lol
"i know we are on different teams, but let me tell you how to beat me..."
its not like its a bunch of noobs inf hoarding, I dont think they need much warning.
no defense = your bad just like no spies = your bad. make sure you tell your nation members to get some defense so this kinda thing doesnt affect your whole nation.
(which reminds me to go tell my nation mates they better D-up)
[1minute later]
Ok there... as a responsible nation leader I sent a message to my nation members telling them that they should run balanced states and have defense against any possible war attack. If they do not comply with my orders then they shall be warned and then kicked. extremely simple and if a few other nation leaders did the same AFTER NUMEROUS warnings on the forums then there most likely would be less blood shed this set.
idk why im even opening my big mouth, but it just seems silly not to have a defended state
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 14:43
We gave plenty of warning. This set. Last set. The set before that. And so on. We said - if you will have no defenses or so little that we can kill you without losing readiness - we will attack you. How much more warning can we give? Make a global announcement? What is that, some 3rd grade warring??? WTF?
And I`m not trying to justify our reasons, I`m giving you something to talk about. I don`t care what you think about our reason. We had our OWN reason and you are free to discuss them, ponder on them, but in the end, know this - all this talking I`m doing in this thread is for the sake of the 'FA game'. I really couldn`t care less what you think about us warring. We set our goal at the start of the set, we explained it very well, I`m not gonna dwell on it. I`m not here to teach you how to play, you should be learning that from your nation. If your nation is not strong enough to protect their states that are left defenseless - blame your nation or yourself!
Kudos!
::LD::GrimReapr
03-10-2012, 15:41
I was gonna stay away from this thread because talking to some people in here is like talking to a rock garden.
I will say this again if I can waylay your state or maim you losing no readiness or 1 to 2 % readiness I am and my nation mates are going to kill or maim you. If I can attack you 10 or 20 times without refueling or or continue to attack you because i'm not losing readiness guess your dead or maimed beyond fun to play. If i have to refuel once every 4 attacks because im losing 5 or more% readiness its not worth it to me. Breaking someone with 1 bomber or ship or 1 spy = your bad and not my problem. I have stated before I have done destructive spy ops outside of war. If I find a person that doesnt have spies ill use about 5 turns letting them know they needs spies, if in 24 hours they dont have spies yet ill use 50 to 100 on them letting them know that they have a problem and i will exploit it. You could look at it 2 ways me being an *** or am I just teaching people how to play the game better with some tough love? Really how much does it cost for 5k spies i fail 1 and i get tagged for terrorist actions no spies on your end = no chance of failure on mine. Does the cost of 5k spies = the amount of money I just blew up sitting out or food I destroyed or even the infantry I just killed off? Got me but its not something I'm gonna test by not having any of said unit.
Let me reiterate 1 thing. I WILL NOT GO OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE YOUR STATE A SHANTY TOWN. If you leave yourself undefended its like leaving your door unlocked and open for a burglar to come in and rob you blind.
Chill guys. I told you that I understand your reasons didn't I. I just told you that if you're gonna pick a target that you know you're gonna own badly giving them no chance then maybe you should warn them so it wouldn't be so boring. In this game I like netting the most but it's no fun if competition is bad. Same for warring. LoR highest state had 200k lvl 1 agm-s which was his all BR defense (I don't blame him, I had like 185m inf too. we had a good netting race and to me it was worth dying for. We knew the risks) yet you didn't choose LoR. Seems to me that you only war nations that you know you're gonna own. (I'm talking about this set. I havent played in a long time and honestly I don't even care much what you did before). My last post was about the problem of people leaving the game and also how you guys could gain some respect with warring. No respect gained in killing defenseless states. Just sayin'.
Continue doing what you're doing if you're really having fun.
Max Logan
03-10-2012, 17:24
Respect? When has any of this been about respect?
Respect? When has any of this been about respect?
I regret posting on forums. Next time I'll just shut up and play the game. It's like argueing with my gf with you Max. When she has nothing to say in an argue she just picks a random sentence and start argueing/disagree about that and when I get tired I just agree with whatever she is saying. Yes Max, you're right, it was never about respect. I'll try my best not to respond here because it'll probably be an endless argue.
::LD::GrimReapr
03-10-2012, 18:31
Again you dont get it either they had no def thats the point. Im not warring cause I enjoy it. I warred them because they had no def. They had ****load of infantry and some ships if you can afford ships you can afford a few AGM.
::LD::GrimReapr
03-10-2012, 18:50
I will declare peace on UB obviously they aren't fighting back since they haven't declared war back.
MellonColly
03-11-2012, 13:24
aw dont throw in the towel already
Max Logan
03-11-2012, 13:36
call it whatever you like! :)
MellonColly
03-11-2012, 18:16
we ain't done yet!
DevilDog
03-11-2012, 18:22
we ain't done yet!
Really, you're going to talk ****?
bigstink
03-11-2012, 18:30
***** move but whatever! ****ing bring it!
MellonColly
03-11-2012, 20:20
yep im talkin mad ****! Lets go ladies
DevilDog
03-11-2012, 20:31
Hahaha...okay twinkle toes, I'll be waiting. :P
MellonColly
03-12-2012, 21:49
BR melloncolly(#$$$)[UB] DevilDog(#$$$)[DEAD] 1 Land / 1 Buildings 02:47:56-2012/03/13
got you sweetie :)
DevilDog
03-12-2012, 22:04
Normally I would congratulate a person for killing me but this isn't one of those times all things considered. However I do think you should enjoy your moment in the sun. Good luck in the future....lol
MellonColly
03-12-2012, 22:10
shouldnt of kicked the beehive
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