View Full Version : WLF + DEAD vs. ICN
If no one else is going to post about the elephant in the room, then I might as well bring it up.
bigstink
05-09-2012, 18:46
lol i like elephants
Someone in other thread posted that ICN has 18 members. I just have to say that 5 of them are on their first or second set and defenitely first time in ICN.
Good luck to you. We will defenitely need luck because from intels I made earlier today I counted DEAD members had ~3k turns. Don't know about WLF.
Someone in other thread posted that ICN has 18 members. I just have to say that 5 of them are on their first or second set and defenitely first time in ICN.
Good luck
we had more than 33% new or newer players in BT last set and we did "ok" with LOR and the new players loved it and came back and played more. New guys with good direction can be more amped up to show for strikes and learn to kill something. pretty good if they have 5 new players just this set. thats significant growth.
we had more than 33% new or newer players in BT last set and we did "ok" with LOR and the new players loved it and came back and played more. New guys with good direction can be more amped up to show for strikes and learn to kill something. pretty good if they have 5 new players just this set. thats significant growth.
Yep, new players who are eager to learn are very useful in wars, but most of them joined less than 2 days ago.
08:38:26-2012/05/08 Donald D of Disneyland(#875) has joined the nation.
08:38:24-2012/05/08 Kyoroji Takanashi of Japan(#882) has joined the nation.
04:26:23-2012/05/08 Chairmen Carla of Bertonia(#874) has joined the nation.
04:26:21-2012/05/08 Lex of Evil Empire(#877) has joined the nation.
I have witness ICN and EoJ states feed each other GB (Mostly to ICN) since day 2 of this set. They did it last set as well.
Also they use states to abuse their taxes by reselling their military over and over again, which is very easy now with the short sale time.
I also suspect them of babysitting, but this can not be proven by me.
In any case they do enjoy substantial handicap because of the "teamwork" they use in taxation and attacks.
Z
Yep, new players who are eager to learn are very useful in wars, but most of them joined less than 2 days ago.
08:38:26-2012/05/08 Donald D of Disneyland(#875) has joined the nation.
08:38:24-2012/05/08 Kyoroji Takanashi of Japan(#882) has joined the nation.
04:26:23-2012/05/08 Chairmen Carla of Bertonia(#874) has joined the nation.
04:26:21-2012/05/08 Lex of Evil Empire(#877) has joined the nation.
mark them as new players and ask for your enemies to not harm them, but also ask them not to partake in the strikes. im sure something can be worked out besides making them look like a handicap.
::LD::GrimReapr
05-09-2012, 19:37
We did it before let
New guys alone as long as they didn't attack
BladeEWG
05-09-2012, 21:44
I have witness ICN and EoJ states feed each other GB (Mostly to ICN) since day 2 of this set. They did it last set as well.
Also they use states to abuse their taxes by reselling their military over and over again, which is very easy now with the short sale time.
I also suspect them of babysitting, but this can not be proven by me.
In any case they do enjoy substantial handicap because of the "teamwork" they use in taxation and attacks.
Z
Are you serious?
Ok don't let me wait anymore, tell me about the grassy knoll now too.
I have witness ICN and EoJ states feed each other GB (Mostly to ICN) since day 2 of this set. They did it last set as well.
Also they use states to abuse their taxes by reselling their military over and over again, which is very easy now with the short sale time.
I also suspect them of babysitting, but this can not be proven by me.
In any case they do enjoy substantial handicap because of the "teamwork" they use in taxation and attacks.
Z
Nice.
You don't have any other excuse that every time they play better than you.
Benjidatramp
05-10-2012, 00:15
They Net better.... lets see if they war better :)
Z, show the grabs where we 'fed', and who did we do it with last set????????????
Yes, we have states who resell, dunno how actively they actually resold, but that's the idea.
Benjidatramp
05-10-2012, 01:03
Z, show the grabs where we 'fed', and who did we do it with last set????????????
Yes, we have states who resell, dunno how actively they actually resold, but that's the idea.
Its an excellent idea, and unless the staes are multies is completely within the rules and strategically smart. I dont think people can really whinge about it.
I have witness ICN and EoJ states feed each other GB (Mostly to ICN) since day 2 of this set. They did it last set as well.
Also they use states to abuse their taxes by reselling their military over and over again, which is very easy now with the short sale time.
I also suspect them of babysitting, but this can not be proven by me.
In any case they do enjoy substantial handicap because of the "teamwork" they use in taxation and attacks.
Z
Hahahah
ICN feed with EoJ? Please give some examples or something because that's ridiculous. Never happened.
Reselling army? Only one state (#48) did it like 4-5 times and his state was good enough to get to top3 like 2 days ago so he couldn't have done it a lot. Yes we usually have inactive players resell army over and over again. This set we don't as we have many TOP3 states so we produce our own NA, but when it's just one state in TOP then it probably would lack NA sooner or later.
Babysitting? That's a good one : D. Please tell Mr P to investigate and THEN say anything about this because you're just making up stuff... Never happened.
You had perfectly good war states ready so I can understand why you started the war, I would too if we had 3k+ turns and everyone bombers upgraded. So you can kill our states but don't just make up stuff to slander us.
And then he pushed me... and made me cry....
-- The song never changes.
bring some proof to your allegations and we change or song
It'll still be out of key.
Class isn't a strong Suit in ICN from what I have seen. Which is too bad, I am sure there are some nice guys there. Blade wasn't bad. Margus is a dofus, but what do you expect? "I be big strong netter, regardless to shady deals, you will respect my authority"
In the end it is still the same old song and dance I have always heard.
-- This hasn't gotten old for the rest of you? OH, it HAS gotten old for thousands of players..... I keep forgetting.
Would you vote for me if I became a politician?
I feel the love and support from you even now - glowing from my computer screen.
What Title should I wear as a politician hopeful?
Maybe I could run for Blaa Squared, or "top netter". I think those have catchy titles. Will you run my campaign for me?
perfect politician! i asked a question, he didn't answer, he took what he wanted from my phrase and turned it around.
So I do have your endorsement!!! thank you Blaaaaaa!
I am sure with your mighty brain power we will be able to get me elected to some great political post.
Perhaps as ICN Foreign Relations? I have some great new ideas for the nation!
::LD::GrimReapr
05-10-2012, 08:14
I would vote for you to be the foreign affairs guy for ICN.
Awesome! that makes 3 votes now, and I hear Blaaaaa has some inside dealing at ICN so I am sure that officially make me the New Foreign Affairs "guy" at ICN, boy do I have soem new policies to get rolling!!!
Thank you blaaaaa aaaa aa! (sorry had a stutter there)
ccsports77
05-10-2012, 11:50
Noooooooooo I was doubled tapped in top 10 by Z then got AA raped by him as well.
So sad ;(
It'll still be out of key.
Class isn't a strong Suit in ICN from what I have seen. Which is too bad, I am sure there are some nice guys there. Blade wasn't bad. Margus is a dofus, but what do you expect? "I be big strong netter, regardless to shady deals, you will respect my authority"
In the end it is still the same old song and dance I have always heard.
-- This hasn't gotten old for the rest of you? OH, it HAS gotten old for thousands of players..... I keep forgetting.
All we need is Calvin to come back and the forums will get even more lively:P
*remembers endless wars between GK and Calvin over elitism*
After deleting this set cuz of AA strikes, I would like to join ICN next set if they decide to war GRIM/DEAD. Dead/GRIM attacking people who you are not at war with just to prove a point only drives them to your enemies aid.
After deleting this set cuz of AA strikes, I would like to join ICN next set if they decide to war GRIM/DEAD. Dead/GRIM attacking people who you are not at war with just to prove a point only drives them to your enemies aid.you couldn't have just a few ships?
Rassputtin
05-11-2012, 23:35
After deleting this set cuz of AA strikes, I would like to join ICN next set if they decide to war GRIM/DEAD. Dead/GRIM attacking people who you are not at war with just to prove a point only drives them to your enemies aid.
Look I don't want you to delete states, I don't want to discourage you from playing the game. I don't want to force you to play a warring set instead of a netting set to try to win or finish as high as you can to attain some satisfaction at your position on the scoreboard. Not my intention at all.
All I want is for you to strive for those goals without utilizing exploits in the gameplay mechanics. Its no secret that the chances the last three sets and for future sets that if you run defenseless infantry hoarding states that you may be maimed without warning. If you were unaware of that..... you are aware now. If you were aware but decided to disregard..... you are affected now.
What you decide to do now that you are affected is up to you. You can quit or play again next set. If you decide to play you can infantry hoard and take the risk of us crossing paths again. You can net but with a state that isn't defenseless and never have to worry about me, or you can war me or suicide me or do whatever else you like to retaliate against me for what is really your poor decision making.
If you quit, net without being a defenseless infantry hoarder, or retaliate against me for your poor decisions, then I am achieving my goal. You will be one less player hoarding infantry.
If you decide to repeat your actions then I may repeat mine. Its pretty straight forward.
You are right that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. However you are deluded if you think that I am only at war with infantry hoarders and states that my nation leader has decided to declare war on. I am at war with all of you. Whether my leader has declared it or not.
You will do as you must next set. As will I. Good luck in your endeavours.
If your looking to War next set I hear GRIM/DEAD is looking for players who are intersted in playing the game instead of lining up infantry along the beach.
you couldn't have just a few ships?
Couldn't be bothered to have one ship, one jet, one sam, one bomber, one tank or one missle. Could only be bothered to have 116 million infantry and 2.5 million spies. But its my fault. Thats ok, I got big shoulders.
Rassputtin
05-11-2012, 23:59
EOJ will be joining ICN soon. Here is thier breaker. Should I wait till he upgrades his sams or should I start pounding on those ships now with my jets while he is defenseless?
State:Impeerium(#842)[]
Leader: Imperaator
Rank: 13
Networth:24.779.762
Turns: 198
Turns Taken: 1.487
Turns Stored: 26
Economics
Population: 5.979.002
Tax Rate: 50%
Science: 4.791
Food: 2.021.774
Money: 5.864.308.831
Structuring
Military
Commercial Zones: 0
Residential Zones: 0
Industrial Zones: 22.633
Farming Zones: 0
Science Facilities: 0
Construction Sites: 226
Total Land: 22.914
Free Land: 55
Spies: 476.522
Level:1
Infantry: 16.747.259
Level:8
Tanks: 49.041
Level:1
Jets: 0
Level:1
Bombers: 454.750
Level:1
SAMs: 0
Level:1
Ships: 6.459.948
Level:8
Missiles: 0
Level:0
DevilDog
05-12-2012, 00:19
Hmmm....I wonder what effect Eoj jumping in would have on the peace talks Pedro is involved in?
Rassputtin
05-12-2012, 00:54
Not sure. I hope the mighty mexican gets some sort of anti hoarding wording into a peace deal. I suspect that since EOJ would be striking and should be able to do a good bit of damage to us with an FS that they may not pressure their ally to much into backing out of a peace deal. Although... from a diabolical standpoint the very notion of peace and peace talks may just be a ploy to get the trigger eased up on and get us complacent so they can spank us on the behind.
Max Logan
05-12-2012, 03:37
Like...when was the alst time ICN won a war on their own?
There probably was a 1 man tag they killed somewhere along the road. Last they warred GRIM on their own, they got beat.
Blackwater
05-12-2012, 03:49
What I'm wondering is why the ICN top state isn't doing anything in the war. Your fellow mates are getting picked off one by one and he hasn't done any attacks. At least their number two guy has.
Divine Intervention
05-12-2012, 05:16
To Net is Divine
you called?
Why, we all know the top state is Jameswheel in disguise! :P
To Net is Divine
**** I wish you wouldn't say his name. He always shows up when you do.
Divine Intervention
05-12-2012, 10:43
**** I wish you wouldn't say his name. He always shows up when you do.
that's mean. I thought we were friends :(
We are, make no mistake about it, but still and all...
Like...when was the alst time ICN won a war on their own?
There probably was a 1 man tag they killed somewhere along the road. Last they warred GRIM on their own, they got beat.
Well said Max
Z
heyneken
05-14-2012, 05:34
SA -C-(#xxx)[WLF] Phantom(#xxx)[DEAD] 346 Land / 344 Buildings, $5.312.085, 97.612 Food 06:47:14-2012/05/14
AA -C-(#xxx)[WLF] Phantom(#xxx)[DEAD] 635.626 Military Units 06:46:42-2012/05/14
AA -C-(#xxx)[WLF] Phantom(#xxx)[DEAD] 660.569 Military Units 06:45:51-2012/05/14
Trouble in paradise?
::LD::GrimReapr
05-14-2012, 05:40
Nope but thanks for asking we have it under control with our foreign affairs guys.
fun fun fun :)
you declare. Problem for you is we have a surprise for you!! Morons!....lol
WarLord
I like surpises!!!!!
::LD::GrimReapr
05-14-2012, 11:49
we like surprises too will you be bringing us gifts?
DevilDog
05-14-2012, 12:01
Me too LD. In fact I would like two of them!
DevilDog
05-14-2012, 12:53
Its suprise? 248? :D
Be nice and maybe you'll get another one. :P
::LD::GrimReapr
05-14-2012, 14:28
You know what's funny is I could have won a lot of Money betting on eoj jumping in to help ICN I knew that was goin to happen at the start of the set.
heyneken
05-14-2012, 14:33
You know what's funny is I could have won a lot of Money betting on eoj jumping in to help ICN I knew that was goin to happen at the start of the set.
inb4 you whine 7 months about how you got gangbanged.
inb4 you whine 7 months about how you got gangbanged.
Not this time :)
::LD::GrimReapr
05-14-2012, 14:40
inb4 you whine 7 months about how you got gangbanged.
Take your deleted state and the 5 others you have and go do your "exams" nobody complaining about a gb. I knew it was gonna happen lmao when they didn't join ICN this time around I fully expected it hiney.
heyneken
05-14-2012, 14:48
Take your deleted state and the 5 others you have and go do your "exams" nobody complaining about a gb. I knew it was gonna happen lmao when they didn't join ICN this time around I fully expected it hiney.
Your foresight is at toptier level. What exams? Dude I was so lying, I'm too busy with my 11 states in nw for that ****, so I dropped out already.
::LD::GrimReapr
05-14-2012, 15:02
Way to go its nice to know your dedicated.
heyneken
05-14-2012, 15:11
Way to go its nice to know your dedicated.
it's*
DevilDog
05-14-2012, 15:27
Ok, I'll answer this in a way that you could wrap your little head around:
The 1 wihth 9 million ship are #836 that is are In your nAtion who is DEAD i sure since i intel op are have mby AR or may be AA you this guy In you are nation or mby kick or mayb stop being a liar.
And you want to correct someone else's grammer, uggh? I don't even know what you're trying to say in this little mess you typed. :P
Benjidatramp
05-14-2012, 16:05
Lol owned.
heyneken
05-14-2012, 16:08
And you want to correct someone else's grammer, uggh? I don't even know what you're trying to say in this little mess you typed. :P
your*
your*
Er, no.
You're = You are.
heyneken
05-14-2012, 16:35
Er, no.
You're = You are.
Too easy.
Basic Training [BT] has declared on EoJ. No grudges just evening things out a bit since they seemed to HAVE TO jump in. BT does not intend to declare on ICN.
Basic Training [BT] has declared on HnA, just too many illegals on our members
One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others By the time I finish my song?
BR pixiedust(#xxx)[WLF] Bin(#---)[ICN] 424 Land / 424 Buildings 01:50:06-2012/05/17
BR pixiedust(#xxx)[WLF] Bin(#---)[ICN] 429 Land / 429 Buildings 01:49:52-2012/05/17
BR -Z-(#xxx)[WLF] Bin(#---)[ICN] 435 Land / 435 Buildings 01:49:49-2012/05/17
BR River Styxx(#xxx)[DEAD] Bin(#---)[ICN] 441 Land / 441 Buildings 01:49:46-2012/05/17
SA Blackwater(#xxx)[USA] Bin(#---)[ICN] 5.600 Land / 5.594 Buildings, 20.981 Food 01:49:44-2012/05/17
BR DevilDog(#xxx)[DEAD] Bin(#---)[ICN] 528 Land / 527 Buildings 01:49:43-2012/05/17
BR guns4hire(#xxx)[DEAD] Bin(#---)[ICN] 536 Land / 535 Buildings 01:49:30-2012/05/17
BR guns4hire(#xxx)[DEAD] Bin(#---)[ICN] 543 Land / 542 Buildings 01:49:30-2012/05/17
BR pixiedust(#xxx)[WLF] Bin(#---)[ICN] 552 Land / 551 Buildings 01:49:08-2012/05/17
DevilDog
05-16-2012, 23:55
Took me a minute but I found what you're talking about. One of the attacks wasn't done during the 01:49 minute of game time . It came at 01:50 something.
War Status!
Our nation has declared peace on Eestiohujoud[Eoj (http://game.nation-wars.com/nation_ministery.php?action=show_nation_list&nationid=72)], contact your nation leaders for more info.
zazibuzi
05-17-2012, 00:49
It doesn't help me anymore...
Nice kill. Didn't see that coming. GA-s to kill sams before killing with BR is very original.
Although I wonder if DEAD did a farmer tech only for tagjumper anton who was stocking in his small farmer nation or is he doing turns in DEAD without a tech?
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 03:46
Nice kill. Didn't see that coming. GA-s to kill sams before killing with BR is very original.
Although I wonder if DEAD did a farmer tech only for tagjumper anton who was stocking in his small farmer nation or is he doing turns in DEAD without a tech?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7941bST-QlA/T5O2Y3FNv3I/AAAAAAAAAsw/NKjP0UC4nK0/s1600/Troll-Face-psd62868.png
I started off as farmer but then converted to techer....and then afterwards to Indy...about 7-10 days ago i think? maybe less...and my tag supported indy & farmer....dunno if grim bought farmer tech, hope they didnt.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7941bST-QlA/T5O2Y3FNv3I/AAAAAAAAAsw/NKjP0UC4nK0/s1600/Troll-Face-psd62868.png
I started off as farmer but then converted to techer....and then afterwards to Indy...about 7-10 days ago i think? maybe less...and my tag supported indy & farmer....dunno if grim bought farmer tech, hope they didnt.
Ok, my bad then. I was in a war and couldn't keep my eye on your state so I thought you were still a farmer.
I'm a bit disappointed tho :(
::LD::GrimReapr
05-17-2012, 03:53
No worries no farm tech to expensive to do 3 techs we will stick to Indy and casher
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that after EOJ joined the war, they got attacked by a nation not even involved in the war - BT. DEAD/wlf would've had more trouble with them.
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that DEAD/WLF couldn't take down margus/lenn on their own and they had to bring in help from outside.
But I am dissapointed that none of our allies haven't even contacted us to offer help. Thanks guys!
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 04:21
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that after EOJ joined the war, they got attacked by a nation not even involved in the war - BT. DEAD/wlf would've had more trouble with them.
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that DEAD/WLF couldn't take down margus/lenn on their own and they had to bring in help from outside.
But I am dissapointed that none of our allies haven't even contacted us to offer help. Thanks guys!
tbf WLF approached me to participate in this war 1 week or so before end of last set....I even recruited 4-5 players for WLF this set...so technically im not "help from outside". i was just v.busy with RL.
it's okay, tag jumping has always been part of the wars, don't mind.
Hm, you said that you were always a wlf? Why were you on another nation? Why did your nation mate offer to help us (he did say eventually that they won't come to help because you are in good relations with wlf), if you always knew you were gonna war together with wlf?
Margus down, lenn to go!
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 07:00
it's okay, tag jumping has always been part of the wars, don't mind.
Hm, you said that you were always a wlf? Why were you on another nation? Why did your nation mate offer to help us (he did say eventually that they won't come to help because you are in good relations with wlf), if you always knew you were gonna war together with wlf?
Margus down, lenn to go!
because no point getting killed stocking whilst you are busy in RL. I setup the other tag to stock as farmer with some friends until a time when I was more free.
So hypothetically speaking:
I could bring 20 warriors to ICN, who were in other nations so far. We could afterwards say that they were always meant to come to icn, but we were waiting for the right moment.
Thanks for the tip, I'll remember it for future sets.
DevilDog
05-17-2012, 07:27
You already did that in a round about way with Eoj. Also we haven't said anything but I'm pretty sure ICN already had a couple of people jump in within the last week. Again we don't say anything because you'll just deny it anyway. :)
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 07:31
So hypothetically speaking:
I could bring 20 warriors to ICN, who were in other nations so far. We could afterwards say that they were always meant to come to icn, but we were waiting for the right moment.
Thanks for the tip, I'll remember it for future sets.
im sure no one would complain if you managed to get 20 new people to play. only so long that you will try and fight same enemy before you break up and form independent nations and increase the gaming environment for everyone else, making it more interesting. remember for what? for the future sets where you said you wont carry grudge with wlf & grim?
i wont carry any grudges, I've said that multiple times
anyway i was just provoking, dont mind me.
So hypothetically speaking:
I could bring 20 warriors to ICN, who were in other nations so far. We could afterwards say that they were always meant to come to icn, but we were waiting for the right moment.
Thanks for the tip, I'll remember it for future sets.
**** blaa you gonna run 20 multies?
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that after EOJ joined the war, they got attacked by a nation not even involved in the war - BT. DEAD/wlf would've had more trouble with them.
I'm not even dissapointed by the fact that DEAD/WLF couldn't take down margus/lenn on their own and they had to bring in help from outside.
But I am dissapointed that none of our allies haven't even contacted us to offer help. Thanks guys!
it was a pretty fair war in the beginning around 18 vs 20
not sure why your ragging on your other allies for not calling you when you were only involved in an even (number of states wise) war.
Someone in other thread posted that ICN has 18 members. I just have to say that 5 of them are on their first or second set and defenitely first time in ICN.
Good luck to you. We will defenitely need luck because from intels I made earlier today I counted DEAD members had ~3k turns. Don't know about WLF.
I know it's almost impossible to get a 100% even and fair war so it's all cool. But I don't like you counting our members as the new guys were on their new set and in the stage of trying to play just one strat. It was 13 in ICN. Some of them I tried to send to BT but they still decided to come to ICN.
I know it's almost impossible to get a 100% even and fair war so it's all cool. But I don't like you counting our members as the new guys were on their new set and in the stage of trying to play just one strat. It was 13 in ICN. Some of them I tried to send to BT but they still decided to come to ICN.
blah blah blah and then you count our inactives and new guys or wlfs inactives or new guys and it still works out to about even.
**** blaa you gonna run 20 multies?
No thats heynekens job or as some refer to him as hiney.
blah blah blah and then you count our inactives and new guys or wlfs inactives or new guys and it still works out to about even.
Ok, lets count
lenn
margus
heyne (deleted himself days before war)
tita (deleted himself days before war)
blaa
blade
MU
ccsports77
clip (#61)
cookie
grumpy
roel (#50) - inactive, played as techer and logged in once every 2 days.
chris - inactive, resold army
k2rbes - inactive, less than 500 turns made
You could say blah blah blah to almost any post there is in this thread. Very pointless thing to do.
Btw BT's reason for war was funny... reason: EOJ just had to JUMP IN, so BT also.... JUMPS IN : D. Oh and EOJ Just had 4 members with 1 very inactive state. Also they were AA-d and AR/BR-d by DEAD (or WLF, not sure) multible times so there's their reason for JUMPING IN.
zazibuzi
05-17-2012, 11:10
Btw BT's reason for war was funny... reason: EOJ just had to JUMP IN, so BT also.... JUMPS IN : D. Oh and EOJ Just had 4 members with 1 very inactive state. Also they were AA-d and AR/BR-d by DEAD (or WLF, not sure) multible times so there's their reason for JUMPING IN.
Heh...I got suicided with spies at first so they could AA me and then make a GA kill...Pathetic...
**** blaa you gonna run 20 multies?
I thought most of ICN were multies anyway...
:-p
Z
pathetic?
I would call that rather cunning, requiring some co-operation and planning.
Z
Btw BT's reason for war was funny... reason: EOJ just had to JUMP IN, so BT also.... JUMPS IN : D. Oh and EOJ Just had 4 members with 1 very inactive state. Also they were AA-d and AR/BR-d by DEAD (or WLF, not sure) multible times so there's their reason for JUMPING IN.
We thought the war was pretty EVEN to begin with prior to EoJ getting involved. I could come on here and tell you that 6 of the 12 members we have in BT are very new players just like you are trying to say with ICN, but it is what it is.
We declared on EoJ killed their active states and declared peace. We didnt declare on ICN and have no ill will toward them. If we declared on ICN I could understand a real complaint here.
I think most of the community found DEAD/WLF vs. ICN a pretty even fight. Win or Loose it was an even fight.
your out and about and you see a fight start (wlf/dead vs icn). A circle of people gather around to watch (nw community). you feel the fight is fair. another person jumps in after the fight has started (eoj). yet another person steps in and pulls off the person who just stepped in just to keep the fight continuing as a fair match up (bt vs eoj).
you cant paint bt as the gb'er when they stepped in to stopped eoj from getting in some cheap shots.
bt is not allies with any nation in this game. dead nor wlf asked us to step in. we did it because we thought it was the right thing to do in order to keep the fight as it started. bt is no hero, we just thought it was the right thing to do not to let eoj from sneaking shots in on dead/wlf when the fight was way past the beginning and nearing the end.
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 12:24
people seem to be underestimating what it means having a top1-2 state at your disposal which cant be broken. it means they can pure break any of their opponents to the point where restarts who are recently OOP (especially if they follow the Dak war restart strat :p) could easily contribute to lots of kills. theres only so much killing of restarts that can be done b4 the top2 take out all the opponents after which its top2 + restarts vs restarts and becomes unbalanced.
people seem to be underestimating what it means having a top1-2 state at your disposal which cant be broken. it means they can pure break any of their opponents to the point where restarts who are recently OOP (especially if they follow the Dak war restart strat :p) could easily contribute to lots of kills. theres only so much killing of restarts that can be done b4 the top2 take out all the opponents after which its top2 + restarts vs restarts and becomes unbalanced.
+1
Max Logan
05-17-2012, 13:32
people seem to be underestimating what it means having a top1-2 state at your disposal which cant be broken. it means they can pure break any of their opponents to the point where restarts who are recently OOP (especially if they follow the Dak war restart strat :p) could easily contribute to lots of kills. theres only so much killing of restarts that can be done b4 the top2 take out all the opponents after which its top2 + restarts vs restarts and becomes unbalanced.
They can`t war. Period.
Max Logan
05-17-2012, 13:34
But I am dissapointed that none of our allies haven't even contacted us to offer help. Thanks guys!
Fight your own battles. Stop relying on everyone else. Can`t you win without LoR and USA backing you up? Jesus, then you shouldn`t have started this in the first place!
Sorry for starting this! My bad.
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 15:07
They can`t war. Period.
tbf I have always held a high account of Estonians warring ability. They are always very well knit/organized....willing to sacrifice for the team etc. its no wonder that most of my tags were majority estonian :p including many sets with yesterdays target Margus <3 :p
MellonColly
05-17-2012, 15:25
Fight your own battles. Stop relying on everyone else. Can`t you win without LoR and USA backing you up? Jesus, then you shouldn`t have started this in the first place!
watch out for us two!
tbf I have always held a high account of Estonians warring ability. They are always very well knit/organized....willing to sacrifice for the team etc. its no wonder that most of my tags were majority estonian :p including many sets with yesterdays target Margus <3 :p
The only reason you talk so good of estonians is because u want to get under the panties of estonian girls
BTW Nice to see ya old friend ;)
DevilDog
05-17-2012, 19:35
Fight your own battles. Stop relying on everyone else. Can`t you win without LoR and USA backing you up? Jesus, then you shouldn`t have started this in the first place!
For some it's much easier to just play the victim then to figure out what the heck is going on. Has anyone from ICN leadership actually listened to the reasons for war as stated by both Grim & WLF? I doubt it. (& for those with Alabama intellect it wasn’t for hoarding)
Just for fun though let’s say ICN did. Is ICN going to do anything to correct issues leading to the current war declarations? I doubt it. I can tell that by just reading comments posted on the forums by those in "leadership" positions within ICN. They much rather play victim and hope that others (USA & LOR) jump in to help. Plus it's much more fun to get on the forums and fan the fires even more by insulting members of Grim & WLF instead of fixing things. For the record we made an attempt to correct our reason for declaration by appointing Pedrow as the sole FA person for Grim starting in June. We're hoping this helps so there is no more confusion/miscommunications.
I myself have been making an attempt to be the go between guy with Blade on making peace but I got to tell you it seems a little feeble at the moment. Could it be that Blade doesn't really want peace? We know for a fact that he stated that he wants to war Grim next set. Talk about carrying grudges. :P
Sad thing about all of this is that there really are good players within ICN that are liked by just about everyone including members of Grim and WLF I'm sure. I know myself have had conversations with several of them. To them and only them I apologize to you for getting caught up in the wars.
@ anyone from Eoj...LOL.
BladeEWG
05-17-2012, 19:38
..and I don't do FA work on Forums.
Maybe Blaa does , but I do not.
If anyone wants to know my view on this war or anything you can just private message me.
::LD::GrimReapr
05-17-2012, 19:56
Welcome back Raul long time no see. Good luck.
Divine Intervention
05-17-2012, 20:27
The only reason you talk so good of estonians is because u want to get under the panties of estonian girls
BTW Nice to see ya old friend ;)
a real friend would know that its asian girls not estonian lol! same buddy!
BOOOOM!!! Down goes Goliath.
BOOOOM!!! Down goes Goliath.
A good job for all involved.
Another long lost DEAD member. I'm sure his state was balanced as well.
Max Logan
05-18-2012, 02:14
Another long lost DEAD member. I'm sure his state was balanced as well.
Since when do warring states need to be balanced?
They told me Anton was balanced, so i expected the same from benji.
Since when do netting states need to be balanced? Let me answer that one!!!
Since DEAD told so! I guess these guys really know better than anyone else what to do with my state. I guess they are superior beings. I don't know why Grim keeps telling that he's no better than anybody, he seems to be better than everybody!
DevilDog
05-18-2012, 04:15
I know Grim and he won't say it because he's humble so I will. Grim is better than you in every way under the sun. It's everybody else that he's no better than. Feel better now? :P
Another long lost DEAD member. I'm sure his state was balanced as well.
Benji was a war stocker, and given what we were up against balance was out of the question. The same cannot be said for the average netter.
Peace
As peace was declared today this rounds war activities by ICN are over. I would like to state what I saw in this round from my point of view. This might not align with everybody's opinion, but that's not the purpose.
I would like to start from last set. Last set DEAD warred LoR, we joined the fight (so did UB) and quite quickly DEAD was dead. Their restarts didn't join back to DEAD, they created another nation ([alco]). I am not 100% sure, but I guess they hoped we wouldn't find them. We did find them. We kept killing their restarts and that pissed them off. They didn't approach to us for a peace, so why would have we stopped?
Anywho, at some point Scav told me that I am now arch enemy of DEAD, that our restart killing was going too far. I disagree with that motion, but it's not real to agree on everything.
Few days before the set we declared peace to dead and they declared back. But that wasn't it. On last 24h they killed our state, who was in top10. Didn't make much of a deal out of it - maybe few of DEAD members thought that peace was unneeded and justice wasn't made.
This brings us to this set. Having heard that I am arch enemy of somebody + having a state killed at the end of the set = tension even in the new set. We were not going to declare first or anything, but we wanted to be ready.
Blacken. I just don't like that guy. I don't get his humour, I don't get his logic. But I don't have to, there are different people playing this game and its normal you don't get along with everybody. Blacken came to ICN, and my common sense tells me that when you join a nation you don't start performing harmful attacks on other states. Sure, newbies do that, but blacken should know better... Or should he? Man doesn't know what Global Events do, so maybe I'm expecting too much from him?
Anyway, actions by blacken caused some tension. EOJ (who he attacked) asked our help to war DEAD (where blacken went after blade kicked him from ICN), I personally didn't want to war for the fourth set in the row, so I contacted DEAD leadership - to ask them if they could kick blacken. DEAD leadership (grim and rass) disagreed with me. Few days passed and we kind of cooled off. After rass sent me a message where he explained that DEAD isn't interested in warring ICN, I didn't respond back - I forwarded the message to leader of EOJ, so they too could settle things. DEAD took me not responding as a sign - perhaps we were preparing for a war.
So few days later we got warred. They got an impressive FS, although they didn't kill our top1-2 states.
WLF. Wlf declared together with DEAD. They claimed that we had been cheating: grab feeding, reselling for na. In addition blade is such a bad leader that they just had to declare.
About a week into the set, all our states had been killed, except for the top1 and top2. We were doing fine though, they didn't have a single state in top20. We were even leading in total nw killed. We had killed more nw than wlf and dead together. They were nowhere near killing our top1 and top2 states.
Then came EOJ. Their FS together with us was a disaster. We only killed 1 state and 3 other kill attempts were wasted as the attacked state came online.
Then came BT. I've always disliked maggio, we aren't just speaking the same language, but their declaration on EOJ was horrible, from my point of view.
Then came anton. Saying that he was a wlf all set! He just wasn't in the nation. Cool story.
Then came Benji.
Of course, a 2 week old state, who hasn't warred, can hoard one unit so they can break defence of a state that has been on war for a week now.
To sum things up. DEAD warred us - had that coming. WLF, BT - random as hell. Anton, Benji - either attention *****s who just wanted to kill top states or DEAD/WLF planned things like this:
War for 1 week, let ICN have top 2 states, BRING IN BENJI AND ANTON.
Whatever you take out of this post, remember this:
*ICN will hold no grudge at anyone
*DEAD/WLF/BT really did well on the attacking part. Just because I don't agree with your reasoning or whatever, doesn't mean I don't respect you for having some nice battles. Well played
Divine Intervention
05-18-2012, 09:41
Then came anton. Saying that he was a wlf all set! He just wasn't in the nation. Cool story.
Anton, Benji - either attention *****s who just wanted to kill top states or DEAD/WLF planned things like this:
War for 1 week, let ICN have top 2 states, BRING IN BENJI AND ANTON.
27/04/2012 21:40:49 Z Anton B well, have yo considered our offer to unite with WLf next round?
27/04/2012 21:41:07 Z Anton B we will be warring i think
27/04/2012 21:41:27 Anton B Z (spoke to Dboz), said i dont mind and said yes
27/04/2012 21:41:29 Z Anton B oh?
27/04/2012 21:41:35 Z Anton B very good :D
27/04/2012 21:41:40 Anton B Z altho ill keep my (####) based players in a seperate tag and have the (####) ones join WLF
26/04/2012 12:51:52 Dennis Bosman Anton B Anyway i wanted to talk to you about next set. We want to cause some mayhem and was wondering if you wanted to tag up with WLF
26/04/2012 12:53:50 Anton B Dennis Bosman yeh i dont mind
So yes. The plan for the set was always to help WLF. However being someone who has been involved in way too many wars over my history I have learnt several things, one of which is never to put all your eggs in one basket or reveal all your cards. Having all my players join WLF would have revealed all our cards, allowed opponents to pick off best states and finally - decreased the amount of grabs available to nation mates. Also, as Im sure DSL told you and Margus - I was very busy start of set I had interviews to prepare for and was visiting my gf quite regularly in University so wouldn't have had time to war at the start of set.
so yeah, cool and smart story. attention *****s? pfft, I'm not a top1 take down virgin...lost my V-card on that with Jameswheel in a much more harder and interesting war :p (still grateful to Kris that set for his help).
I appreciate your respect Blaa.
And @ Anton I am glad u kept the convo, I was about to search for it myself!
Z
Benji was a war stocker, and given what we were up against balance was out of the question. The same cannot be said for the average netter.
WIll is right... Balance was out of the question for our stockers..
Then came BT. I've always disliked maggio, we aren't just speaking the same language, but their declaration on EOJ was horrible, from my point of view.
Whatever you take out of this post, remember this:
*ICN will hold no grudge at anyone
*DEAD/WLF/BT really did well on the attacking part. Just because I don't agree with your reasoning or whatever, doesn't mean I don't respect you for having some nice battles. Well played
sorry we dont get along, i am a bit of a mouthy jerk. ICN is a pretty good nation
our declaration on EoJ was not planned at all, just bad timing since we stored turns to take out HnA. Didnt really talk to Dead about it at all, and never even mentioned it to WLF. BT was unaware of the back story and simply saw them as jumping in after the fact.
that was a real good post, and thanks for the compliment.
I think the larger point is that the community is becoming divided on certain issues which is a good thing.
Welcome back Raul long time no see. Good luck.
Tnx bro! Good to cya around too ;)
a real friend would know that its asian girls not estonian lol! same buddy!
Ohh well, things change with time. Last time i was around Hoebawt liked girls. Now he likes guys so anthing is possible.
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