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Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann courted controversy today by claiming that falafel and other "jihadi foods" should be banned from school lunches in the United States.
In an interview with local television station KSTP in Minneapolis, Bachmann explained that after visiting a local elementary school she was shocked to find that falafel - a fried vegetable patty popular in the Arab world - was being served as a option on the vegetarian menu.
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http://dailycurrant.com/2012/09/28/bachmann-we-ban-falafel-school-lunches/
Would the people playing this game who plan to vote republican please reconsider?
it is amazing how much traction they get when they speak to a racist segment of the population. segregation, sexist, discrimination, and racism will never end as long as we continue to encourage it.
BladeEWG
10-03-2012, 14:08
There are idiots in every politial party.
i think thats a job requirement sometimes.
Bachmann is an idiot
Biden is an idiot
I think we just not support anyone whos name starts with "B" and work from there.
Tonights debate should also be interesting as we watch who opens mouth and inserts foot first.
There are idiots in every politial party.
i think thats a job requirement sometimes.
Bachmann is an idiot
Biden is an idiot
I think we just not support anyone whos name starts with "B" and work from there.
Tonights debate should also be interesting as we watch who opens mouth and inserts foot first.
Bachmann is a PIG who should be blackballed
Biden is a nice guy who just happens to like the taste of his own shoe
BladeEWG
10-03-2012, 17:14
Ouch Mags
How do you really feel? ;)
DevilDog
10-04-2012, 10:02
Bachmann is a PIG who should be blackballed
Biden is a nice guy who just happens to like the taste of his own shoe
Biden is a complete friggin idiot that should've been retired 25+ years ago.
BladeEWG
10-04-2012, 20:09
When Obama was elected i really didn't think he'd last a term.
theres a lot of nuts out there which I thought would go off just on the race thing,
But then i felt better because I realized since Biden was next in line Obama was safe as could be.
No one would have done anything to put him in the big show ;)
When Obama was elected i really didn't think he'd last a term.
theres a lot of nuts out there which I thought would go off just on the race thing,
But then i felt better because I realized since Biden was next in line Obama was safe as could be.
No one would have done anything to put him in the big show ;)
Many racists actually were happy to see Obama get elected. Some even voted for him.
BladeEWG
10-09-2012, 07:32
Why do you think that is so, Will?
Makes no sense to me.
And another poll, i think we need more of these aound (insert sarcasm here)
A poll conducted by the Pew Research Center found Romney leading Obama, 49 to 45 percent, among likely voters. That sort of result would mark a remarkable reversal in fortunes for Romney, who's trailed Obama in most national polls to date.
Why do you think that is so, Will?
Makes no sense to me.
And another poll, i think we need more of these aound (insert sarcasm here)
A poll conducted by the Pew Research Center found Romney leading Obama, 49 to 45 percent, among likely voters. That sort of result would mark a remarkable reversal in fortunes for Romney, who's trailed Obama in most national polls to date.
Well, to them the idea was that a Black president would openly discriminate against Whites, and Whites would rise up as a response. Instant Race war.
That poll is terrifying. God/Satan/Buddha/Ganesh/Science/(Insert Deity here) help us all if Romney wins. Failing that, we'll have to revoke your independence and put you back under Elizabeth. :P
MellonColly
10-10-2012, 13:37
Don't scare us like that Will!
The only upside I see with Romney is that he doesn't know what he wants to do yet in office so maybe he will accidently do the wrong thing in office which could be the right thing for the people. If you follow me there.
Don't scare us like that Will!
The only upside I see with Romney is that he doesn't know what he wants to do yet in office so maybe he will accidently do the wrong thing in office which could be the right thing for the people. If you follow me there.
You'd be better off putting all your money on a single number on a roulette wheel.
Romney will start WW3.
MellonColly
10-10-2012, 17:17
but i dont have any money just food stamps :P
BladeEWG
10-10-2012, 19:04
Well, to them the idea was that a Black president would openly discriminate against Whites, and Whites would rise up as a response. Instant Race war.
That poll is terrifying. God/Satan/Buddha/Ganesh/Science/(Insert Deity here) help us all if Romney wins. Failing that, we'll have to revoke your independence and put you back under Elizabeth. :P
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!! :)
interesting idea there Will, about the discrimanating. I never would have guessed that plan in a zillon years.
Guess i'm just too rational to think the way that a bigot would.
On the good side
tomorrow is Biden vs Ryan
Now that should be entertaining.
if I was a dem head I would have done anything to block that one.
Wonder if the bookies have an under/over on how many gaffes Biden makes.
i think hes a good guy, but he really says some doozies.
MellonColly
10-10-2012, 23:40
i bet you he does a good job. Shows some spine for the dems
BladeEWG
10-11-2012, 20:31
Bet you he makes a Big Bird reference ;)
In the clips I saw, Biden made Ryan his *****.
BladeEWG
10-12-2012, 07:31
Biden did real well expected that since Rommney rolled over Obama in theirs,
he was animated and aggressive.
Could have done without him chuckling and laughing when Ryan was talking.
Made him seem eletist and condenscending.
But ryans smug grins didn't bode well neither
I'd call it a draw
DevilDog
10-12-2012, 10:26
Biden brought NOTHING to the table as usual...period! Then again if I was part of the "I'm entitled to everything crowd" I would consider his ability to get through the debate without having his diaper changed, falling asleep or not getting caught eating boogers a win. :P
people are entitled to some things. if your on SS, or medicare, or disability, YOU PAID into it, so when its your turn you DESERVE it. If you pay taxes (retail, payroll or otherwise) to your local and federal gov, and you fall on hard times you DESERVE help since you PAID into the system. If you pay into a system you DESERVE to get help when you need it or get paid back when its your turn. Not everyone depending on the system is black with 10 kids has 22" rims, and totes hand guns.
Ryan was disappointing at the debate.
they say 1/6 of dr offices etc will close due to obama care. the reason is because obama care will not allow governement programs to OVERPAY for proceedures. Romney hates this and want to cointinue to BAIL OUT abusive over charging drs. but when it comes to GM NO BAILOUT, so wtf gives? dont play peoples strings
people are entitled to some things. if your on SS, or medicare, or disability, YOU PAID into it, so when its your turn you DESERVE it. If you pay taxes (retail, payroll or otherwise) to your local and federal gov, and you fall on hard times you DESERVE help since you PAID into the system. If you pay into a system you DESERVE to get help when you need it or get paid back when its your turn. Not everyone depending on the system is black with 10 kids has 22" rims, and totes hand guns.
Ryan was disappointing at the debate.
What if you haven't "paid into it" ? Should you be hung out to dry?
DevilDog
10-13-2012, 15:51
people are entitled to some things. if your on SS, or medicare, or disability, YOU PAID into it, so when its your turn you DESERVE it. If you pay taxes (retail, payroll or otherwise) to your local and federal gov, and you fall on hard times you DESERVE help since you PAID into the system. If you pay into a system you DESERVE to get help when you need it or get paid back when its your turn. Not everyone depending on the system is black with 10 kids has 22" rims, and totes hand guns.
Ryan was disappointing at the debate.
I have to tell you I found your comment both funny and sad. Sad because somehow you deemed it necessary to bring in the "black" thing. No where in my comment or comments written by others in this thread would a sensible person find any racism. Except yours, sorry. Typical Obama/Biden tactic though where if someone doesn't agree just try to label them as racist. Quick question, do you have any idea what percentage of the white population that voted voted for Obama? & what percentage of the black population that voted voted for Obama? I'll help you. 96%+ of blacks voted for Obama and approximately 45% of whites voted for him. Do you think there was any racism in those numbers? Not me, at least not the racism you think of. So you and your political party really should stop using it as crutch.
The balance of your comment I thought was funny because I pretty much feel the same way you do. If you paid (<--two key words) in to programs such as SS, medicare and disability you deserve to have that assistance when needed. No argument here! However I do have a huge problem with those that choose to receive entitlements as a career. I have a problem with those that are both physically and mentally able too but don't help the system by contributing their fair share. (See Greece)
Funny how you said Ryan was disappointing at the debate but let's be honest here. He could have cured cancer on stage and you still wouldn't like him.
DevilDog
10-13-2012, 15:57
What if you haven't "paid into it" ? Should you be hung out to dry?
Depends on the situation. If they are/were able to "pay in to it" and chose not to then that's their problem, not mine! If they have some sort of physical and mental issue that doesn't allow them to do so that's understandable.
Depends on the situation. If they are/were able to "pay in to it" and chose not to then that's their problem, not mine! If they have some sort of physical and mental issue that doesn't allow them to do so that's understandable.
Morally that may be true, but in practical terms, if you don't have any other income and you can't get benefits, your only option is crime. If you refuse benefits to people who can't get money any other way, expect them to rob and riot, and while riots in europe don't tend to involve firearms, if people got desperate enough I could well see open gun battles in US streets.
I have to tell you I found your comment both funny and sad. Sad because somehow you deemed it necessary to bring in the "black" thing. No where in my comment or comments written by others in this thread would a sensible person find any racism. Except yours, sorry. Typical Obama/Biden tactic though where if someone doesn't agree just try to label them as racist. Quick question, do you have any idea what percentage of the white population that voted voted for Obama? & what percentage of the black population that voted voted for Obama? I'll help you. 96%+ of blacks voted for Obama and approximately 45% of whites voted for him. Do you think there was any racism in those numbers? Not me, at least not the racism you think of. So you and your political party really should stop using it as crutch.
The balance of your comment I thought was funny because I pretty much feel the same way you do. If you paid (<--two key words) in to programs such as SS, medicare and disability you deserve to have that assistance when needed. No argument here! However I do have a huge problem with those that choose to receive entitlements as a career. I have a problem with those that are both physically and mentally able too but don't help the system by contributing their fair share. (See Greece)
Funny how you said Ryan was disappointing at the debate but let's be honest here. He could have cured cancer on stage and you still wouldn't like him.
1. hispanics, and african americans typically vote democrat and now women too
2. you say career entitlement receivers... who is the majority of those who recieve entitlements as a career?
3. I expected Ryan to own him and IMO it was almost vise versa. I dont like him, but I also dont have a problem saying romney took the first debate. I expected Ryan to kick his ***, and it just didnt happen. If it did, we would all be hearing about his victory instead of pointing the finger at biden making faces and interupting. If he cured cancer I would vote for him btw.
4. YOU cannot deny rascism exists on both sides of the party lines, and I THINK that many less intellegent republicans (less intellegent then us, you know the ones who think obama is a muslim terrorist) stereo type the receivers on entitlements.
5. I really wish we knew how many recipients of entitlement were actaully black and carear receivers, but I dont. I have heard that more white people get assistance then african americans which is possible.
When romney said 47%..... and when Ryan said 30% are takers.... They are just fueling the fire of their base who we can all agree on have rascist members. NOT ALL, not too many were I live, not sure about were you live, but I can assure you that there are 10s of millions of rascist voter out there. They might not admit it (some are proud of it), but deep down inside A LOT of people are rascist, sexist, biggots, hypocrits. I am for 100% equality across the board. race, sex, sexual orientation EVERYTHING. What is good for one is good for all.
6. I was not accusing you or anyone on this forum of stereotyping or being rascist, but I do know that most people are peices of shit and that is what it is, so when I say there is issues with race its because I wholeheartedly believe there is. Maybe not you, maybe not this forum, but generally speaking ABSOLUTELY. And that cuts both ways across all races.
7 In closing, the funny thing is that they have us all talking about entitlement programs ONCE AGAIN pegging parties against each other. Could we trim some fat sure we could, but there are bigger fish to fry. Notice no one is talking about earmarks, and pats on the back this time around because that talk didnt move the needle much last time. Notice not many are talking about congresses 8-11% approval rating. Ita all being diverted to topics to pit parties against each other.
8. still going... look when you help several hundred million americans there is going to be some hangerson, and bloodsuckers, but it next to impossible to weed them out with out effecting the help to those that really need it. Another example is the part in obmama care that makes health insurances pay for womens controception. YES chuches dont like it, and YES thousands of women work for religeous outfits, and there is an issue there, BUT that act helps a hundred million women. so are we going to jepordize the heath of 100million because relegeous groups dont want birth control given to a few thousand female employees? COME ON it shouldnt even be a point. honestly if those women really believed in their relegeon they wouldnt be using the controception anyway right? I know there is a point there, but the reward outways the risk in this case and many others. You can knitpick every little thing.
9. what is "real recovery" Romney Ryan have not actually said specifically what they are going to do. "we are going to close loopholes" Really? which ones?, we are going to install a "framework to work across party lines" Really so which loop holes again? NO ANSWER. They have some HUGE ideas, but no specifics. Its HOT AIR. Even my hardcore rep friends admit to me in private that they are not even voting for Romeny/Ryan, they are voting AGAINST obama. if they say there going to take away the child tax credit they will Lose, if they say there gong to take away the ability to write off interest on your home loans they will lose, but honestly its going to have to be something HUGE if not more to cut the deficit in the amount they say they want too. NO ONE will vote for that.
Why? Because no one likes to loose! BOTH parties have created this situation where half of america is going to LOOSE! It SUCKS. Dems did it when they have complete control after Bush screwed up, and passed obmamacare with ZERO rep votes, NOW reps basically block EVERY bill that comes across from the dems and the president. Its obvious they are not doing their jobs because they ahve such a low approval rating. You know why we dont have REAL recovery, its because NOTHING is getting done. You need EVERYONE to be on board to get things passed, and its a ****ing DEADLOCK.
If you really wnat to know why im voting for obama here it is. (by no means is obama all that great, but...)
#1 OBAMACARE. I like it, I think it will work, and It REALLY helps my family, and I love what it does for women
2. Jobs growth month after month (not great but getting good)
3. Unemployment is going down (not fast enough but getting faster)
4. Im not much better than 4 years ago, but im ALOT better than 5 years ago
5. I dont think Romney has a REAL gameplan, he is just playing the game, and playing on the card of "anyone but obama" If someone really good would have stepped up then I would vote for them. Even most repulicans didnt like ANY of the candidates running for the nomination.
6. Planned Parenthood, blaa blaa (no pun intended) abortions... LETS FACE IT planned parent hood is going help keep a future generation of career entitlement seekers from happening with controception, education, and yes an abortion here adn there (3-4% of their services) call that racist if you must, but thats called REAL TALK (and im talking about a lowerclass not a color) because FACT poor breed poor
One more thing about unemployement. its pretty low in my state FYI, but regardless. I hire and fire 3 to 4 people a month. Here is what I am seeing. BTW I REQUIRE RESUMES NO APPLICATIONS
1. Gen Y really sucks at being responsible adults. You can barely get them off their iPhones. They are all about pay me to perform instead of LET ME EARN MY KEEP and work my way up.
2. Quite a few have tattoos, peircings, dont dress for interviews dont follow rules
3. Criminal records!
4. (this one sucks) older over qualified people who didnt do GREAT at thier previous jobs, and now can find the same pay. when the economy hit the first ones to get chopped where DEAD WEIGHT.
5. RARE - someone that actually is really good, and is just down on hardtimes and totally deserves a shot.
BTW retail sales are WAY UP this year in my state, unemployement is down, and things are LOOKING BRIGHT.
NO MATTER who is the next president I 100% think the economy is coming back and they will get the credit. I would have to take a WORLD event for things to go backward like a war, major terrorist attack etc... But if we keep on course its only going to get better.
OMG my fav last point. What is the gauge we are going by? meaning are we trying to get back to the point right before the bubble burst. You know... the part were banks were lending retardedly, to people who could not afford things, and the housing market when up 20% every year for 5 years, and people were spending hand over fist on credit because "theycould". I really hope not. Investmetns and saving is meant for the long haul, not to "get rich quick" if your trying to go back to pre iraq war please stop. IT WAS JUST A FANTASY FOR MOST ANYWAY.
BladeEWG
10-14-2012, 06:26
Wow Mags, thats some post.
I'll be needing another coffee in me before i respond tho.
nice
DevilDog
10-14-2012, 12:35
.1. hispanics, and african americans typically vote democrat and now women too – Not the women I know and as far as the other two why is that?
2. you say career entitlement receivers... who is the majority of those who recieve entitlements as a career? – You tell me because personally I don’t give a hoot what color or nationality they are because it won’t change their career choice.
3. I expected Ryan to own him and IMO it was almost vise versa. I dont like him, but I also dont have a problem saying romney took the first debate. I expected Ryan to kick his ***, and it just didnt happen. If it did, we would all be hearing about his victory instead of pointing the finger at biden making faces and interupting. If he cured cancer I would vote for him btw. – First it is my opinion that Biden is ****** and has been for 25+ years. His clown show didn’t bother me because that’s what I expect to see out of him on a daily basis. Hell, even SNL ran a skit on Biden’s debate buffoonery last night. To be fair though I too thought Ryan would dominate the debate and he didn’t. That being said neither did the clown. Draw.
4. YOU cannot deny rascism exists on both sides of the party lines, and I THINK that many less intellegent republicans (less intellegent then us, you know the ones who think obama is a muslim terrorist) stereo type the receivers on entitlements. – I agree with you on racism existing on both sides. Poll numbers reflect that.
5. I really wish we knew how many recipients of entitlement were actaully black and carear receivers, but I dont. I have heard that more white people get assistance then african americans which is possible. – Back to the race thing. Again it doesn’t matter the race. A mooch is still a mooch,a turd is a turd no matter the race however I don’t doubt that “white’s” get more assistance because they’re still the majority. Still don’t make it okay.
When romney said 47%..... and when Ryan said 30% are takers.... They are just fueling the fire of their base who we can all agree on have rascist members. NOT ALL, not too many were I live, not sure about were you live, but I can assure you that there are 10s of millions of rascist voter out there. They might not admit it (some are proud of it), but deep down inside A LOT of people are rascist, sexist, biggots, hypocrits. I am for 100% equality across the board. race, sex, sexual orientation EVERYTHING. What is good for one is good for all. – Sure I’d be willing to agree with you that there are registered republicans that are racist but to think that Obama’s base is not full of racist would be just plum ignorant. For the record I happen to know a few democrats that are racist. As far as the “sexual orientation” goes I could care less. People can love & marry who they want. Don’t mean I have to agree with it but it isn’t me so what do I care, not my business.
6. I was not accusing you or anyone on this forum of stereotyping or being rascist, but I do know that most people are peices of shit and that is what it is, so when I say there is issues with race its because I wholeheartedly believe there is. Maybe not you, maybe not this forum, but generally speaking ABSOLUTELY. And that cuts both ways across all races. – Fair enough.
7 In closing, the funny thing is that they have us all talking about entitlement programs ONCE AGAIN pegging parties against each other. Could we trim some fat sure we could, but there are bigger fish to fry. Notice no one is talking about earmarks, and pats on the back this time around because that talk didnt move the needle much last time. Notice not many are talking about congresses 8-11% approval rating. Ita all being diverted to topics to pit parties against each other. – WOW…..I could spend all day on this one. EARMARKS aka legalized bribery. Both parties are guilty of this and unfortunately I’m not sure how we as voters can stop them. Did you read the friggin Obamacare bill? If you didn't don't worry because neither did a majority of those elected politicians who voted on it because they just wanted to push it through. If you did read it did you see any earmarks in the bill that had absolutely nothing to do with health care? I did. Do you know there's actually an earmark that covers peanut research in Alabama, one for pig waste management in N.C. and another that has to do with Polynesian Voyaging Society in Hawaii? WTF does any of that have to do with health care!?! I only mentioned a couple but there are literally dozens of items attached to the bill that don't belong. I get that earmarks may be normal practice in government and both parties area at fault but that doesn't make it right. Especially when dealing with a bill like this one that will add such a monumental debt burden to the nation. I said monumental debt burden to the nation but I really should of said states because it is them that will get jammed and ultimately have to fund the program.
8. still going... look when you help several hundred million americans there is going to be some hangerson, and bloodsuckers, but it next to impossible to weed them out with out effecting the help to those that really need it. Another example is the part in obmama care that makes health insurances pay for womens controception. YES chuches dont like it, and YES thousands of women work for religeous outfits, and there is an issue there, BUT that act helps a hundred million women. so are we going to jepordize the heath of 100million because relegeous groups dont want birth control given to a few thousand female employees? COME ON it shouldnt even be a point. honestly if those women really believed in their relegeon they wouldnt be using the controception anyway right? I know there is a point there, but the reward outways the risk in this case and many others. You can knitpick every little thing. – So because we can’t weed out the blood suckers we should FORCE everyone else to pay the price? I don’t get that thinking. Now before you go all “gangster” on me I want to say that I applaud the current administration for trying to fix the Health care system because as an industry that is a required necessity to live the costs are way out of control. It's broken! I agree fully that there needs to be health care reform because there is a fundamental problem with the system in America when a good portion of those who are of working age, work 40+ hours a week to support their family, even have insurance through their work and yet they still have to decide if they can afford to go to the doctor or not. Why is that? Why is it that those who just happen to stumble in to the country or those that choose freeloading as a career can get all of the health care they need? That being said according to a previous comment made by you you put fault solely on the doctors. Other than greed do you think there could be any other reason for high medical cost? Could it be because of those that don't pay and somehow the bill needs paid? Malpractice insurance because of the sue mentality this nation has? I ask because I don't know but I'm not sure why I'm asking because I'm sure you don't either.
But
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the plan that's being jammed on us may not be the right one for ALL of us? I don't know either way if the bill should be repealed or not but if kept at the very least the bill needs to be cleaned up to include nothing but health care related items. Did you also know that the bill contains amendments to it so particular supporters of the current administrations political party can opt out? Why the amendments if the plan is so awesome? That too needs to be addressed because if it's good enough to be forced on some surely it can be forced on all unions.
9. what is "real recovery" Romney Ryan have not actually said specifically what they are going to do. "we are going to close loopholes" Really? which ones?, we are going to install a "framework to work across party lines" Really so which loop holes again? NO ANSWER. They have some HUGE ideas, but no specifics. Its HOT AIR. Even my hardcore rep friends admit to me in private that they are not even voting for Romeny/Ryan, they are voting AGAINST obama. if they say there going to take away the child tax credit they will Lose, if they say there gong to take away the ability to write off interest on your home loans they will lose, but honestly its going to have to be something HUGE if not more to cut the deficit in the amount they say they want too. NO ONE will vote for that. – And the Obama plan is what again, build bigger government? As far as this paragraph goes we can just swap Romney with Obama and Obama with Romney and we can say I wrote it. ;)
Why? Because no one likes to loose! BOTH parties have created this situation where half of america is going to LOOSE! It SUCKS. Dems did it when they have complete control after Bush screwed up, and passed obmamacare with ZERO rep votes, NOW reps basically block EVERY bill that comes across from the dems and the president. Its obvious they are not doing their jobs because they ahve such a low approval rating. You know why we dont have REAL recovery, its because NOTHING is getting done. You need EVERYONE to be on board to get things passed, and its a ****ing DEADLOCK. – Republicans block every bill? Maybe if the President tried reaching across the aisle and tried working with them on things could be different. You just keep towing the party line though and just blame congress but when the democrats controlled both houses and the Whitehouse they got NOTHING done!
If you really wnat to know why im voting for obama here it is. (by no means is obama all that great, but...) - I want you to know that I 100% respect your reasons for voting the way you are even though I disagree with 6 of your 6 reasons listed below for doing so. As with every legal voter you have the right to vote for the person you feel will best represent you. As long as you only vote once and don’t let your pets vote! ;)
#1 OBAMACARE. I like it, I think it will work, and It REALLY helps my family, and I love what it does for women
2. Jobs growth month after month (not great but getting good)
3. Unemployment is going down (not fast enough but getting faster)
4. Im not much better than 4 years ago, but im ALOT better than 5 years ago
5. I dont think Romney has a REAL gameplan, he is just playing the game, and playing on the card of "anyone but obama" If someone really good would have stepped up then I would vote for them. Even most repulicans didnt like ANY of the candidates running for the nomination.
6. Planned Parenthood, blaa blaa (no pun intended) abortions... LETS FACE IT planned parent hood is going help keep a future generation of career entitlement seekers from happening with controception, education, and yes an abortion here adn there (3-4% of their services) call that racist if you must, but thats called REAL TALK (and im talking about a lowerclass not a color) because FACT poor breed poor
One more thing about unemployement. its pretty low in my state FYI, but regardless. I hire and fire 3 to 4 people a month. Here is what I am seeing. BTW I REQUIRE RESUMES NO APPLICATIONS
1. Gen Y really sucks at being responsible adults. You can barely get them off their iPhones. They are all about pay me to perform instead of LET ME EARN MY KEEP and work my way up. - Agreed
2. Quite a few have tattoos, peircings, dont dress for interviews dont follow rules – Agreed. I actually had a person show up to an interview with cutoff jean shorts and a wife beater on…lol
3. Criminal records! – but they were innocent.
4. (this one sucks) older over qualified people who didnt do GREAT at thier previous jobs, and now can find the same pay. when the economy hit the first ones to get chopped where DEAD WEIGHT. – Agreed. I feel so bad for them when I interview them.
5. RARE - someone that actually is really good, and is just down on hardtimes and totally deserves a shot. - Agreed
BTW retail sales are WAY UP this year in my state, unemployement is down, and things are LOOKING BRIGHT. – I disagree with the unemployment numbers. I contend that those numbers are affected by those that are no longer eligible to collect so they all off of the rolls and re-find themselves on welfare.
NO MATTER who is the next president I 100% think the economy is coming back and they will get the credit. I would have to take a WORLD event for things to go backward like a war, major terrorist attack etc... But if we keep on course its only going to get better. – Well we don’t have to worry about terrorist attacks while Obama is in office because they don’t happen even when they do.
OMG my fav last point. What is the gauge we are going by? meaning are we trying to get back to the point right before the bubble burst. You know... the part were banks were lending retardedly, to people who could not afford things, and the housing market when up 20% every year for 5 years, and people were spending hand over fist on credit because "theycould". I really hope not. Investmetns and saving is meant for the long haul, not to "get rich quick" if your trying to go back to pre iraq war please stop. IT WAS JUST A FANTASY FOR MOST ANYWAY. - too confusing for me to reply. My brain is fried + the EAGLES game is about to come on. ;)
Vote Romney/Ryan!! :P
DevilDog
10-14-2012, 12:43
they say 1/6 of dr offices etc will close due to obama care. the reason is because obama care will not allow governement programs to OVERPAY for proceedures. Romney hates this and want to cointinue to BAIL OUT abusive over charging drs. but when it comes to GM NO BAILOUT, so wtf gives? dont play peoples strings
Who's the, "they" that say 1/6 of dr offices etc will close due to obama care. the reason is because obama care will not allow government programs to OVERPAY for procedures? Or did you just make that mumbo jumbo up?...lol I also contend that you really have NO idea why Romney "hates" Obamacare and just decided to make up a reason that fits your thoughts.
You said Romney, "want to cointinue to BAIL OUT abusive over charging drs"? I don't get it. Are you implying that Obama is already bailing out doctors that over charge and you think Romney will continue doing the same?
Just my opinion here but NO, the government should not have bailed out GM. I don't give two jacks which political party is in control of the government they have NO right to pick and choose which business's they want to help out and what ones they want to let fail. If GM and its employees wanted to succeed let them work out their own labor issues and come up with a quality product that people want at prices people can afford. If they can't fix their own problems then they need to go away! Sounds harsh but that's just how business works.
Another thing as far as bailouts go, the Federal government should NOT be bailing out individual states or cities either, get ready because its coming. Times are tough all around. I suggest people get with the program and elect local and state politicians that will make the tough decisions to straighten out the economy instead of those that don't want to offend a particular voter base so they just keep adding to the debt. A state that is a leader in dairy products comes to mind. ;)
@DevilDog Ryan said 1/6 at the debate. Romney doesn't like it because if he endorsed it he wouldn't get the nomination. Neither like it because its a bill produced by a dem voted in solely by dens and in a shady way. There are other reasons but those are the primary ones.
@Blade I didnt read the bill, but I read the parameters of obamacare and agree with most of them (not all, but what piece of paper serves the best interests of all) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
Fact is that we are all fighting, and the parties are more divided then ever. The last time our country stood together as one was 9/11/01
I dont hate either party, I HATE the media giants who SPIN pretty much every little thing. Most of the issues are dismissed or the blame game is played by ALL, the petty BS crap comes out and the conspiracy theories DIVIDE us even further. I dont think ANY president can heel our nation in the way we need it.
BladeEWG
10-14-2012, 14:47
I agree with you on this one DD
"Just my opinion here but NO, the government should not have bailed out GM. I don't give two jacks which political party is in control of the government they have NO right to pick and choose which business's they want to help out and what ones they want to let fail. If GM and its employees wanted to succeed let them work out their own labor issues and come up with a quality product that people want at prices people can afford. If they can't fix their own problems then they need to go away! Sounds harsh but that's just how business works."
and it dos sound harsh but the agreements they make and then break are ridiculous.
You need to have a balenced field for helping businesses.
On a unrealated note:
My dept is a victim of downsizing again.
I have to let a guy go on Friday.
So i go from 4 down to 3 and make it work
He's 57 so he'll go on unemployment for awhile and try to find something I hope,.
Won't be easy,never is.
Yeah things are so much better...my arse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/14/romney-tax-plan-ed-gillespie_n_1964934.html?1350224091&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
E (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/14/romney-tax-plan-ed-gillespie_n_1964934.html?1350224091&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)VERYTIME the Romney Ryan ticket is asked, they simply cannot give any detail on what deductions or loopholes will be altered, and how THAT is going to pay BIG as far as debt reduction.
Its "anyone but obama" that will even give the republican ticket a chance.
On a unrealated note:
My dept is a victim of downsizing again.
I have to let a guy go on Friday.
So i go from 4 down to 3 and make it work
He's 57 so he'll go on unemployment for awhile and try to find something I hope,.
Won't be easy,never is.
Yeah things are so much better...my arse.
times are changing, industries are changing, business as usual is NO LONGER. The company I work for saw a 30% decrease in sales in the last year of Bush, then 30 again on the first year of obama, then 10, then 0, now +15. we stopped being profitable but AT NO TIME did we lose money. We reduced our staff by 1 the whole time, and just started working smarter instead of on cruise control.
1.4 was our normal. on the bubble we were at 1.7. our low is 1.2 last year and year before. we should see 1.275-1.3 this year. So I ask you. what is normal 1.4 or 1.7? If I get 1.4 am I good, or No? So my question on recovery is... Is 1.4 recovered or is 1.7 recovered. I think 1.7 was pretty great, but it COST the country when the bubble burst. We actually could have a real 1.5-1.6 by now if we didnt see that HUGE POP in the economy.
Unregulated banks, 2 wars, and bad politics costs us 2 steps backward, now its going to be a LONG step forward. regardless of who the president is.
I can never understand why you yanks can't just have one big National (Federal) health service. It would solve far more problems than it created.
BladeEWG
10-15-2012, 06:21
and I don't understand why we just don't get a King or Queen.
That would solve a lot of probblems also and we'd not have to waste so much time on this election jazz ;)
and I don't understand why we just don't get a King or Queen.
That would solve a lot of probblems also and we'd not have to waste so much time on this election jazz ;)
Well, we have a queen and still have to put up with elections and lying politicians :P
MellonColly
10-15-2012, 08:29
https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=INDEXDJX:DJI
looking at the 5yr avg of the DOW (which so many people use to judge the economy) I'd say we are ok :P
::LD::GrimReapr
10-15-2012, 09:07
I don't know a lot about politics but I do know how they can cut some of the deficit. we wanna cut some deficit? How about making these politicians get a job or paying for their house or cars instead of having everything given to them while they work for the government even after they are done working for the government to my understanding they get everything for free.
https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=INDEXDJX:DJI
looking at the 5yr avg of the DOW (which so many people use to judge the economy) I'd say we are ok :P
Better yet look at the ten year. You can see bush's collapse and Obama's recovery more clearly.
MellonColly
10-15-2012, 09:33
ya its funny no one has mentioned how well the DOW is doing now. Certainly not republicans. But when it was around 8 or 9 thousand it was the end of the world.
DevilDog
10-15-2012, 10:34
ya its funny no one has mentioned how well the DOW is doing now. Certainly not republicans. But when it was around 8 or 9 thousand it was the end of the world.
No Republican mentions the DOW.....WHO CARES? It is not the sole gauge of the nations economy. How come Democrats NEVER mention the growing national debt? Why are Democrats not talking about bankrupt cities and states?
At least you could have said something like this beautiful young lady did!...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio <<-----A funny to break the mood, nothing more.
I don't know a lot about politics but I do know how they can cut some of the deficit. we wanna cut some deficit? How about making these politicians get a job or paying for their house or cars instead of having everything given to them while they work for the government even after they are done working for the government to my understanding they get everything for free.
If you really want to cut the deficit, cut the military. US defense spending is insane.
MellonColly
10-15-2012, 12:58
No Republican mentions the DOW.....WHO CARES? It is not the sole gauge of the nations economy. How come Democrats NEVER mention the growing national debt? Why are Democrats not talking about bankrupt cities and states?
At least you could have said something like this beautiful young lady did!...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio <<-----A funny to break the mood, nothing more.
haha well for many people it seems to be. When the nation is doing bad its all about the DOW. You must not be listening to the debates if you think they don't talk about the economy :P
politics is like justin bieber, i dont care
we are cutting military spending in a way by Obama ending the war in iraq on the day that BUSH promised, and by ending the war in Afghan on the UN agreed date.
when the tech bubble burst, and when 9*/11 happened the market was teh NUMBER ONE indication of damage to the economy. its not the sole gauge but its a HUGE ONE, but so is the debt, unemployement, and retail sales. all which are doing better except the debt.
The recovery part is working you cannot DENY it, but they will say its not good enough, which is fine. The debt is an issue that needs to be addressed, but not by gutting the lowest income families and middle class, or for that matter any class.
how would u suggest to reduce the debt? as the money that is circulating is a loan
when so and so came to office bla bla
Unemployment
Bush came in office at 4.1%, left office at 7.8%
Obama came in office 7.8%, TODAY 7.8% (after going past 10%)
Market Dow/Jones
Bush came in office at 10,662, left office at 9,034
Obama came in office at 9,034, TODAY 13610 (after going as low as 6,626)
Retail sales are up up up! Good news for us all.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/retail-sales-in-u-s-increased-more-than-forecast-in-september.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/retail-sales-in-u-s-increased-more-than-forecast-in-september.html)
Its quite evident that the Obama led country has stopped the bleeding and is on it's way to recovery. The debt sucks, and needs to be dealt with, but things are looking UP!
Looks like REAL recovery to me.
This will be the only response I make to this one but if one will remember correctly, the democratic party took over the house and senate in 2008. That is when the economy started to tank. Just a reminder, the president can't write a check. The practice of partisan non cooperation really li ked in at that point. The administrative branch of the US govt was basically ineffective from that point forward. The house and senate, whi h is where the real power lies, refused to work with the administration. Without bipartisan cooperation is the only way to bring the economy back to what it was.
MellonColly
10-16-2012, 11:59
dogma if you really think the economy started to tank in 2008 you need to check your facts. It started way before that with bush. The effects of what he did started to show in 2008. Don't be fed the same bs fox news does
Dammit , why is this thread going while my computer is down, typing on phone sux!!!
One question Maggio, well maybe a couple but on the same subject. 1. You said the free contraception will protect or aid in the health off 100 million women, my question is, when.did pregnancy become hazardous to your health, as a woman?
2. If we are to pay for these women to get free contraception, do I get my viagra for free too.? They both do the same thing,allow us to have sex at will. Every pill ever produced say straight on label, "does not protect from STD"s"
it also includes health services so
a. we dont need anyone more population
b. preventative services such as STD screening, HPV vaccinations, Uteran Cancer screening, and breast cancer screening are all in the mix too. those are all very important.
those are what planned parenthood mostly does too
sorry your pc is down, i know your chomping on the bit.
ALSO i didnt mean to really BLAME bush, but I did want to show GOOD progress under Obama, so when you hear that there is not they are misinforming america.
dogma if you really think the economy started to tank in 2008 you need to check your facts. It started way before that with bush. The effects of what he did started to show in 2008. Don't be fed the same bs fox news does
No, you're right, it did start prior to, but it came from the housing loan industry especially Fannie May and Freddy Mac. It was them loaning money to people who clearly couldn't afford it. That started from the housing shortage and jump in demand after hurricane Katrina and I guess that was entirely GWB' s fault too.
Only one person has ever been charged witha any kind of charges or repercussions was...drum roll...Charley Rangle - not a republican.
So now you are telling me you are in favor of state sponcored population control?????
it also includes health services so
a. we dont need anyone more population
b. preventative services such as STD screening, HPV vaccinations, Uteran Cancer screening, and breast cancer screening are all in the mix too. those are all very important.
those are what planned parenthood mostly does too
sorry your pc is down, i know your chomping on the bit.
ALSO i didnt mean to really BLAME bush, but I did want to show GOOD progress under Obama, so when you hear that there is not they are misinforming america.
Do I get my "male" health care for free too?? Does my wife, who isn't of child bearing age anymore, not get hers free too just. because she doesn't need birth control???
your wife does just like every women, but NOT FOR FREE, but with out co pay (you pay for the insurance already). it says that the health insurance companies must provide it with out a co pay. so if you have insurance then no co pay. if you have no insurance then you need to go somewhere else to get help for free or reduced like planned parenthood, or a free clinic etc...
Effective August 1, 2012
All new plans must cover certain preventive services such as mammograms and colonoscopies without charging a deductible, co-pay or coinsurance. Women's Preventive Services – including: well-woman visits; gestational diabetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestational_diabetes) screening; human papillomavirus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus) (HPV) DNA testing for women age 30 and older; sexually transmitted infection counseling; human immunodeficiency virus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_immunodeficiency_virus) (HIV) screening and counseling; FDA-approved contraceptive methods and contraceptive counseling; breastfeeding support, supplies and counseling; and domestic violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence) screening and counseling - will be covered without cost sharing. [86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_no te-85)
This is also known as the contraceptive mandate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraceptive_mandate).[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_no te-healthcare.gov-62)[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_no te-86)
so as you see, NOTHING is given away for free, you still have to PAY for the insurance.
If you are on medicaid all of these things are w/o co pay too EXCEPT you do not pay for the insurance or you get it at a reduced rate but that is a different program with different details.
How can you not afford a co pay if you can afford insurance? What is a co pay these days, I know my BCBS is $20 per Dr visit and $40 for a specialist. Co pays can't be the problem.
I also don't' agree that the government has any right nor authority to make demands on institutions to offer services that go against their religious beliefs. ie Requiring all employers offer birth control. If these people who work for the institutions cannot abide by the benefits of employment as laid out by the institution, go work somewhere else.
What happens when the obesity problem in this country is deemed so bad that something must be done to cut health care costs and they determine that large fries are the reason for obesity, do you support them banning large fries? Stopping people fishing will stop all fish hook related injuries and health care costs. Where does the bureaucracy end?
This is a very slippery slope and I don't think people understand the power that having "universal health care" will eventually have over the people. I know, go ahead and say it but I am not a conspiracy theorist I just don't believe that the government is the do all know all of all that I or anyone else should do or how we live our lives. This is the antithesis of liberty.
Don't get me wrong I am not against government help as all of you know I am on disability and receive medicare benefits, but the culture of entitlements have got to be dealt with. When you have generations after generation of welfare recipients, something is wrong with the system. This is not a new thing nor is it a Democrat of Republican thing it is a morality thing. Help those that can't, screw those who won't. The mismanagement of the last 4 years both home and abroad is ridiculous.
And what about my question about whether or not you are a proponent of state sponsored population control?
I dont think its the co pays as much as it is the deductables. low co pay insurance is too expensive for MOST especially if they have to pay for it w/o the assistance of a group plan like through an employer.
Regardless, the hand full of women effected because they work for a relegious based company vs. the 100+ million women this will help....
btw you can also look at this as a tax break on the middle class if you what to get stupid with words, it definately puts a few more meals on the table for families that need the extra help.
ALSO I do support an extra tax on sugary drinks, and foods abused that result in obesity. I would rather pick and choose what I pay tax on simular to cigerettes, and alcohal rathan than see a blanket tax increase such as sales tax or property tax. I do not support the BAN of these types of food or drink, but the people who want to abuse them selves should pay the price, NOT ME.
Also I do support that people who do not carry insurance should pay a fine, because Im sick and tired of footing the bill for ignorant people using the ER as their Primary Care Physician.
DevilDog
10-16-2012, 18:35
This will be the only response I make to this one but if one will remember correctly, the democratic party took over the house and senate in 2008. That is when the economy started to tank. Just a reminder, the president can't write a check. The practice of partisan non cooperation really li ked in at that point. The administrative branch of the US govt was basically ineffective from that point forward. The house and senate, whi h is where the real power lies, refused to work with the administration. Without bipartisan cooperation is the only way to bring the economy back to what it was.
You are 100% correct in everything you've written, Dems like to forget that they controlled everything and got nothing done. I also agree with you that bipartisan is the only way however I feel that's something the current President has not tried one bit and I can only hope that the next one doesn't follow his actions. (or he'll need to go too)
DevilDog
10-16-2012, 18:41
dogma if you really think the economy started to tank in 2008 you need to check your facts. It started way before that with bush. The effects of what he did started to show in 2008. Don't be fed the same bs fox news does
*yawn* The blaming Bush and Foxnews thing is so outdated. Instead of tryng to blame maybe you should check your facts because like Dogama he isn't the only one to blame it's just he's the easiest.
MellonColly
10-16-2012, 18:50
so obama did all this to the economy?
BladeEWG
10-16-2012, 21:08
I blame the FRENCH!
MellonColly
10-16-2012, 21:44
its either them or the irish.
GWB did so good they invited im to the RNC! Take responsibility for your previous vote.
OBAMA is worthless HERE is what getting NOTHING DONE looks like.. TOP 50
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court:Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.
39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon ValdezAlaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.
47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.
48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.
49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.
HERE IS ANOTHER LIST (WITH DUPLICATES)
1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry
2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along
3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay
5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.
7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize
8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.
13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales
16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
17. Closed offshore tax safe havens
18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information
20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.
22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).
26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
34. Established a new cyber security office
35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
36. Expanding vaccination programs
37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses
38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans.
39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti
42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
44. Improved housing for military personnel
45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.
47. Improving benefits for veterans
48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect
49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.
50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.
52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
53. Increasing student loans
54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones
55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.
56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House
58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.
59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
61. Lower drug costs for seniors
62. Making more loans available to small businesses
63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
67. New federal funding for science and research labs
68. New funds for school construction
69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.
75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24
78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.
81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
93. US financial and banking rescue plan
94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.
96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
97. Improved relations with Iran
98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change
99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)
100. Improved relations with Russia
101. Improved relations with the Islamic World
102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation
103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)
104. Drastically slowed down the recession
105. Saved Wall Street
106. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009
107. HEALTHCARE REFORM
108. Ordered the military operation that killed Osama Bin Laden
ALL PERFECT? NOPE, but I SEE EFFORT!
*yawn* The blaming Bush and Foxnews thing is so outdated. Instead of tryng to blame maybe you should check your facts because like Dogama he isn't the only one to blame it's just he's the easiest.
DevilDog, go look at the charts and decide for your own. Look at when bush took office, look at when he left, look at what happened right before he left, and then look at when we stopped going backwards, and look at were we are heading.
Look at the last 15 years of the dow/jones
Look at the last 15 years of unemployement rates
Look at teh last several decades of retail sales
Look at these SIMPLE charts and tell me that we are not recovering.
Im really not quite sure what you are expecing out of any president. they do not cast magic spells. it got bad... it got real bad..., not its getting good, and its going to be great once again.
BladeEWG
10-17-2012, 06:37
interestng debate format.
winner by TKO..Obama
and i heard a Big Bird reference.
Didn't catch if anyone said "sausage or pepperoni" tho
You are 100% correct in everything you've written, Dems like to forget that they controlled everything and got nothing done. I also agree with you that bipartisan is the only way however I feel that's something the current President has not tried one bit and I can only hope that the next one doesn't follow his actions. (or he'll need to go too)
Wait a minute. What about the whole "raising the debt celing" thing? Last I checked it wasn't democrats trying to block that. It was some republican dudes from Boston.
GWB did so good they invited im to the RNC! Take responsibility for your previous vote.
OBAMA is worthless HERE is what getting NOTHING DONE looks like.. TOP 50
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court:Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.
39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon ValdezAlaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.
47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.
48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.
49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.
HERE IS ANOTHER LIST (WITH DUPLICATES)
1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry And putting the US govt as a majority stock holder of a private company.
2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along Oh I see the improvement there, lets talk to the Libyans and the Syrians.
3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world Is not hard when you subjugate yourself to other leaders.
4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay And it is still open
5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation Is that the billions given to the Wind energy company that went bankrupt and closed?
6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part. Glad he is smarter than me as a parent. Just want I want, someone else teaching my kids right from wrong
7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize FOR WHAT??? He had done nothing to win it, he was in office less than a year. That cheapened the Nobel forever.
8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan Blaa blaa More money we didn'thave
9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court Big deal
10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles that in no way offset the cost of buyiong the **** things.
11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues. Renewed? There have always been talks with NATO on strategic issues.
13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc. He didn't begin anything here, this has been happening.
14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops Natural progression, he didn't do this, Hell I guess he invented sliced bread too
15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales What a winner that was...
16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
17. Closed offshore tax safe havens
18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information And what did this actually accomplish other than allowing grieving families to be filmed mourning over their lost heroes?
20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.And what did this actually accomplish other than allowing grieving families to be filmed mourning over their lost heroes?
22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings Midicare doesn't pay for Drugs, you have to purchase a seperate policy for that. And this I know because I had to do this.
24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports No now he has specific committees formed for this, The white house staff is too busy seeing to his every need.
25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09). Which he is in negotiations with BP to circumvent this law as we speak.
26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions$$$
27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology. But the secret negotiations between his Justice Dept and BP to cut the states who were directly effected aren't included
30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices Which came about during the Clinton administration.
31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
34. Established a new cyber security office
35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
36. Expanding vaccination programs This was already available to every child in the country.
37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses Yes they have expenses, who doesn't?
38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans. $$$
39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools$$$
41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti WTF is this one??? Big fat hairy deal, I responded with compassion to the earthquake in Haiti. I guess when he takes a crap it will also be included in this list of his accomplishments.
42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters This has always been done, nothing new here
43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
44. Improved housing for military personnel
45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals And now they are closing it??? Wasted $$$
46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan. What has changed, we are still there and people are still dying. But, at least the Taliban know now when they can come back...
47. Improving benefits for veterans
48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect $$$$$$$
49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits. Which he didn't deserve in the first place
50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program$$$
51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market. oh it sure is revitalized isn't it?
52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
53. Increasing student loans$$$
54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones
55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers. Which cost jobs.
56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House
58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost. And now he is trying to broker a deal with BP to only send money to Louisiana and Florida with the remainder being put in the federal general fund in violation of the recovery act
59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured. .
61. Lower drug costs for seniors and made the sunlight even warmer. I don't see my drug costs giong down.
62. Making more loans available to small businesses To go along with the regulations.
63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration And fund raisers, even while we had an embassy burning in Libya
64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans That has gotten us what exactly?
66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
67. New federal funding for science and research labs More money spent that we don't have
68. New funds for school constructionMore money spent that we don't have
69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan Outdated? Oh I see, cut defense so you can pay for more studies... I get it now
73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions The US has always been involved with these talks.
74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.
75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24 How did he actually do that?
78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel All the while, "putting daylight" between the USA and Isreal. Refusing to meet with Isreali President prior to the UN meeting on Iran...
79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols With who?
80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles. Duplicate
81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters After Michelle get her redecoration, he returned what was left over. Why do it to begin with?
82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy While apologizing the them for our way of life.
83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program$$$
85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
93. US financial and banking rescue plan $$$
94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system. While awarding a $40 BILLION contract to Boeing for a plane that they have never built or even designed while over looking a company that has a fleet of them flying. BTW, Boeing has already released that the contract will be over by at least $500 million and the **** thing isn't even designed yet.
96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office And Bows to kings
97. Improved relations with Iran Looks improved to me
98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change
99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops) Gave Al Qaeda and the Taliban a move in date.
100. Improved relations with Russia Oh yeah, that looks better too
101. Improved relations with the Islamic World Go figure
102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation With who?
103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing) OK, "created" 5 million of the 23 million lost in the dive. That sounds like a winner.
104. Drastically slowed down the recession
105. Saved Wall Street So that the CEO's could have their bonuses and million dollar junkets
106. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009
107. HEALTHCARE REFORM
108. Ordered the military operation that killed Osama Bin Laden Which has been an ongoing order since 2003.
ALL PERFECT? NOPE, but I SEE EFFORT!
Why did you post them in gray? Was it to show his "transparency" in govt?
I got tired of the BS in those so I quit. But you forgot to add that he hung the moon and made the stars a little bit brighter.
Just passing laws and regulations is not what this country needs. I don't need nor do I want the government having the control over my life or the lives of my kids like he/they want. I am smart enough to do what I need to do to make it or not on my own. I don't need those smarter than me to tell me how I should live.
I am not saying that Bush was that great a president, but I am also not saying he was as stupid as you libs think he was either. Look at what he had to deal with; and attack on the homeland, Hurricane Katrina etc etc. And before you say GWB botched the Katrina thing, go back and check your facts because it was the governor of Louisiana that botched it. He has unprecedented tragedies happen in his terms and I don't think that King O could have done any better.
Right now I blame the congress and the Senate for most of our problems right now, they are both so partisan that they refuse to work together on ANYTHING and your King O isn't doing anything to make that change, and that is part of his job.
On the debate last night, what a farce. Since when do you have a debate moderator leading in and making responses and rebuttals in favor of one candidate?
It is just a **** shame that the elections nowadays have come down to not voting for the best candidate but voting against the worst.
96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office And Bows to kings
Well, there's one (future) king he should bow to:P
Why did you post them in gray? Was it to show his "transparency" in govt?
I got tired of the BS in those so I quit. But you forgot to add that he hung the moon and made the stars a little bit brighter.
Just passing laws and regulations is not what this country needs. I don't need nor do I want the government having the control over my life or the lives of my kids like he/they want. I am smart enough to do what I need to do to make it or not on my own. I don't need those smarter than me to tell me how I should live.
I am not saying that Bush was that great a president, but I am also not saying he was as stupid as you libs think he was either. Look at what he had to deal with; and attack on the homeland, Hurricane Katrina etc etc. And before you say GWB botched the Katrina thing, go back and check your facts because it was the governor of Louisiana that botched it. He has unprecedented tragedies happen in his terms and I don't think that King O could have done any better.
Right now I blame the congress and the Senate for most of our problems right now, they are both so partisan that they refuse to work together on ANYTHING and your King O isn't doing anything to make that change, and that is part of his job.
On the debate last night, what a farce. Since when do you have a debate moderator leading in and making responses and rebuttals in favor of one candidate?
It is just a **** shame that the elections nowadays have come down to not voting for the best candidate but voting against the worst.
How does the President stop the Congress and Senate from being partisan apart from putting his foot down and trying to ram things through (Executive order?) And if he could do this, people would be calling him a dictator and stockpiling guns and ammo.
Ronald Reagan did it quite successfully. He had an opposing congress and senate. Bill CLinton had an opposing house and senate for a time. If the president can't bring the two parties together in at some point, how can he be effective?
The problem comes from the fat that the President had both the house and senate by a super majority and all he did with it was ram his health care bill down our throats. In the first 2 years, that is all he got done, other than the Lilly Ledbetter Law and the multi trillion $ bail outs. They tried to do too much too fast and the American people got pissed and put the tea partiers in office and THEY are simply obstructionists now that they are in office. If they had at least shown some sort of restraint, they probably could have gotten a lot more done.
By the way, my opinion is that John Boehner is an idiot and should be impeached and charged with obstruction of government.
Ronald Reagan did it quite successfully. He had an opposing congress and senate. If the president can't bring the two parties together in at some point, how can he be judged as effective?
By the way, my opinion is that John Boehner is an idiot and should be impeached and charged with obstruction of government.
Reagan didn't have to deal with those Bostonians that I mentioned.
BladeEWG
10-20-2012, 07:56
Ya know...when you get past the hanging, shooting and imprisonment possibilities, I thnk dictator could be a pretty good gig ;)
Roll Tide. I vote me dictator for life... All in favor...
Roll Tide. I vote me dictator for life... All in favor...
Depends, what are your policies?
Doesn't matter, since you live across the pond, policies over here ore policies over here.
Doesn't matter, since you live across the pond, policies over here ore policies over here.
Except our government would basically be under your control (except for the Queen and the Reptilians), so it very much does matter. :)
It seams like all the americans are afraid of social benifits and universal health care because you pay for others and there might be people who exploit the system and so on.
As i understand it obamacare as it is refered to is a step towards universal health care apparently thats bad for you?
Norway is the country you should model yourself on i think 4.5 million people the budget has been in surplus since the 70:ths 2.4% unemployment allthou they do import alot of workers from abroad. Anyway they have an national fund that they invest in wich atm is worth about 667 or billion dollars they can use 4% of that in the budget atm they are useing 3.3% apparently.
Now they do provide free health care free education and so on and still they run surplus in the budget.
maybe you should go and find a politican in the us that can provide that and vote for him/her best choice atm obama cause his atlest thinking in thouse terms :)
BladeEWG
10-22-2012, 19:59
Good post Hedge and good to see another view.
I really think its not so much of a health care issue at all, its the way its presented.
One think Americans don't like is, being told they have to do something.
Its just like anything else, you need people to buy into an idea, don't jam it down their throats and expect them to just go with it.
Like Grandpa always said "Don't be selling me a load of manure and call it perfume"
So who won the final debate, guys? Clips I saw suggest Obama.
BladeEWG
10-23-2012, 20:27
Yeah Obama smoked Mitt this time around.
Lots of glares going around.
Had that been two guys at a bar they'd have duked it out :)
A Liberal, a Moderate and a Conservative Walks into a Bar. The Bartender Says “Hi Mitt.”
Well IN MY OPINION, MY OPINION ONLY**** according to what the press and the libs consider a debate, Obama did win this one, but at the same time his snarkyness was a major turn off to a lot of people. There is no reason to be insulting and condescending to the other candidate. The remark that Obama made that we have less horses and bayonets was just childish, and by the way, the Marines still use Bayonets as does the army so I feel that part was just being a little *****. IF you can't win on substance, start the name calling. I feel like Romney took the high road and at least tried to talk abotu policy instead of "you're stupid, nanna nanna Boo boo" as Obama did
The thing that glares out at me is the fact that he lied about when he knew about Libya. That's right I said Lied. An Al Qaeda offshoot claimed responsibility for the attack while the attack was still going on. Just like I said when Bill Clinton got on TV and shook his finger at the American people stating he didn't have sexual relations with that woman, DON"T FREAKING LIE TO THE PEOPLE. I think not only his failed economic policies, but his cover up of the debacle in Libya costs him the election. Or at least I hope it does. For 2 weeks after the attack, his minions were still claiming it was about a **** movie on YouTube and that has been proved yes PROVED to be wrong. I know that liberal media is playing it down, but even CBS has released the emails that the White House received the day of the attack.
Before one of you libs start claiming the 5M jobs created, I have to throw the bull shit flag. Those don't come near making up for the 23 M jobs lost. He is a tax and spend elitist and his presidency is all about him and his agenda of power and not about the American People.
MellonColly
10-24-2012, 12:58
ok the only problem I have with saying he lied about Libya is the fact that how are you supposed to believe what Al Qaeda says? If I remember correctly they have said they were behind a lot of attacks that they weren't. Or the media (Fox Included) was quick to suggest that it was Al Qaeda when they found out later it wasn't a terrorist attack at all.
To me its fine that they didn't say it was Al Qaeda right away and waited to get the facts straight.
Well IN MY OPINION, MY OPINION ONLY**** according to what the press and the libs consider a debate, Obama did win this one, but at the same time his snarkyness was a major turn off to a lot of people. There is no reason to be insulting and condescending to the other candidate. The remark that Obama made that we have less horses and bayonets was just childish, and by the way, the Marines still use Bayonets as does the army so I feel that part was just being a little *****. IF you can't win on substance, start the name calling. I feel like Romney took the high road and at least tried to talk abotu policy instead of "you're stupid, nanna nanna Boo boo" as Obama did
The thing that glares out at me is the fact that he lied about when he knew about Libya. That's right I said Lied. An Al Qaeda offshoot claimed responsibility for the attack while the attack was still going on. Just like I said when Bill Clinton got on TV and shook his finger at the American people stating he didn't have sexual relations with that woman, DON"T FREAKING LIE TO THE PEOPLE. I think not only his failed economic policies, but his cover up of the debacle in Libya costs him the election. Or at least I hope it does. For 2 weeks after the attack, his minions were still claiming it was about a **** movie on YouTube and that has been proved yes PROVED to be wrong. I know that liberal media is playing it down, but even CBS has released the emails that the White House received the day of the attack.
Before one of you libs start claiming the 5M jobs created, I have to throw the bull shit flag. Those don't come near making up for the 23 M jobs lost. He is a tax and spend elitist and his presidency is all about him and his agenda of power and not about the American People.
Come off it, you think Mittens cares about the American people? The 23m jobs lost were hardly Obama's fault, and him lying hardly bothers me, I expect it of politicians.
On the bayonets comment, while the US military may technically still use them, I haven't heard of any recent examples. (Iraq, Afghanistan), while the British Army actually made bayonet charges against the Taliban and sent them running. Then there's the Gurkha who took on 30 Taliban single handed with his knife and whatever else was around him and won.
I don't quite understand the need for Obama to be all nice and polite to Romney anyway. Substance over style.
Also Dogma, if you think Obama behaved badly, you should search "Prime Minister's Questions" on youtube some time. He's got nothing on our politicians.
The only thing I am really thankful for is the fact that most of the people on here so pro Obama don't vote in our elections. Will you and I are friends and I will always consider you one, but you are socialist and have admitted that to me. I am not a socialist and I will never be.
ok the only problem I have with saying he lied about Libya is the fact that how are you supposed to believe what Al Qaeda says? If I remember correctly they have said they were behind a lot of attacks that they weren't. Or the media (Fox Included) was quick to suggest that it was Al Qaeda when they found out later it wasn't a terrorist attack at all.
To me its fine that they didn't say it was Al Qaeda right away and waited to get the facts straight.
What about when it comes fro your own intelligence people, do you still not believe them? If he doesn't believe h1s own intelligence structure, why the hell does he have them in place? There were emails sent the day of the attack stating it was an attack and not a spontaneous uprising. Is the CIA now not telling the truth?
Chris Stevens himself asked for more security and it was denied, and they want to investigate? HOw in the hell he got Hillary to take the fall on that one is beyond me. There was on official communica the day of the attack talking about security concerns and no action was taken. So now what do we have? How many billions of $$ are we going to spend on an investigation that will blame Chris Stevens in the end?
Divine Intervention
10-24-2012, 18:27
There are only 2 American politicians I'd vote for (well technically one is a government employee). Both are called Ron.
Hard for me to tell who I like more
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Shame none are on the official ballot. But from what I saw from an American fb friends picture, you can "write in" a candidate. so there is a chance for them still :D
Btw, I know he lives in texas, but still...how ridiculous is it to have spanish translations???? If you need spanish to understand wtf is written on the paper - you shouldn't be allowed to vote!!!
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Did you get your absentee ballot Anton?
And look guys I am not saying that Romney is the best at anything either, but he does have a business back ground and he actually does have Executive Party experience as the governor of Massachusetts. But we can't keep going down this road we are on now. We are in worse shape than we have ever been in since the great depression and he wants to be snarky? <Insert the "blame Bush" BS here>. At some point you have to start taking responsibility for your own failings and stop blaming others. I don't want to hear that Bush started it and Lord God Obama just can't get it done yet, that one has worn very thin.
Romney is not who I voted for in the primaries, but that is neither here nor there.
He talks a good game, but he can't stand on his record.
Divine Intervention
10-24-2012, 18:41
Did you get your absentee ballot Anton?
unfortunately since I no longer live in Florida & I haven't set up a forwarding address, im not sure where its being sent to :( not that it would make a difference! voting doesnt make a difference in any country pretty much imo...Russia...UK....America...we all have treacherous leaders who aren't doing things that are in the best interests of their country...and the only people who could make a difference, lead the countries in the right direction, well....they will either
a) never get elected
or more likely...
b) are a government patsy / agent created to foster the illusion of choice & break down the opposition into smaller groups.
p.s. I havent read the whole thread but Dogma, im distinctly getting the vibe that you feel that no one who isnt an American citizen should STFU and not contribute/have an opinion on the matter? Dw, im not Pro-Obama & my family most likely contributed much much more to the American government through various taxes on all our various high value property deals back in the 90s than the vast majority of people who do have American citizenship.
There are only 2 American politicians I'd vote for (well technically one is a government employee). Both are called Ron.
Hard for me to tell who I like more
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Or
344
Shame none are on the official ballot. But from what I saw from an American fb friends picture, you can "write in" a candidate. so there is a chance for them still :D
Btw, I know he lives in texas, but still...how ridiculous is it to have spanish translations???? If you need spanish to understand wtf is written on the paper - you shouldn't be allowed to vote!!!
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THIS THIS THIS.
YOu just got rep for that one!!!!
No Anton, I am not saying I mind them adding to the conversation, not at all!!!! I don't mind talking to anyone about it. At least we get some action in the forums with it.
THIS THIS THIS.
YOu just got rep for that one!!!!
No Anton, I am not saying I mind them adding to the conversation, not at all!!!! I don't mind talking to anyone about it. At least we get some action in the forums with it.
well lets see here you think his failed cause the problem isnt fixed yet?
well here is the thing the only way to fix the basic problem of the economy is to fix the economic system so in other words regulate banks and financial institutions and so on make them accountable for what they do. cause thats the people who created the whole mess to begin with and they dont care about anyone but themself do they?
anyway so your not a socialist right so lets see do you like schools? do you like the idea that elderly or disabled people can get help? and so on if you do
let me ask you this who pays for that?
well lets see here you think his failed cause the problem isnt fixed yet?
well here is the thing the only way to fix the basic problem of the economy is to fix the economic system so in other words regulate banks and financial institutions and so on make them accountable for what they do. cause thats the people who created the whole mess to begin with and they dont care about anyone but themself do they?
anyway so your not a socialist right so lets see do you like schools? do you like the idea that elderly or disabled people can get help? and so on if you do
let me ask you this who pays for that?
I agree that there needs to be regulation in the banking industry, but if you will look it up, you will see that it was Bill Clinton and not George Bush that relaxed the regulations of the banking industry. That was done during the .com bubble which is why his administration made it so well. He didn't do it, the private sector with all the billions made during that bubble that brought the tax $$ into the govt is the reason for the surplus, not his policies. Look it up, it is fact.
Hedge, Just in case you didn't know, I am disabled and am receiving assistance from the government and nost people know that already. The difference is I paid into the system so that I would have that benefit available should it become necessary. But I also believe we have a responsibility to help those who need it. Now focus on what I said, "who need it", by that I mean those that can't should be helped, but those that won't, let em fall. Now before you go and say I am socialist, back up a second, I do realize that my being on Social Security is a socialistic program, but there is a major difference in that and being a socialist. I don't think that the government is smarter than the people. I don't think that they are better equipped to tell the people how to spend their own money. I certainly don't think that I should by default allow the government dictate to me how I should live. Our country was founded on the basis of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I don't think that our government is all in favor of the people picking their own "pursuit of happiness".
I believe we have a responsibility for educating our children, but I don't necessarily call what the US govt is doing to education in this country which is why my children went to private schools. I think parents should be able to choose where their kids go to school not this mandatory districting that has caused our schools to become nothing more than someplace for our kids to spend the day worrying about their safety. We have a system that rewards length of service over performance and that is just wrong. That is one of the reasons our education system has gone to shit.
So, do I believe in social programs, yes, in part, but do I believe in the socialistic doctrine of let the government take care of you? BIG NO. I also and a firm believer that redistributing of wealth is wrong, morally. We don't need Robin Hood taking over our country.
I agree that there needs to be regulation in the banking industry, but if you will look it up, you will see that it was Bill Clinton and not George Bush that relaxed the regulations of the banking industry. That was done during the .com bubble which is why his administration made it so well. He didn't do it, the private sector with all the billions made during that bubble that brought the tax $$ into the govt is the reason for the surplus, not his policies. Look it up, it is fact.
Hedge, Just in case you didn't know, I am disabled and am receiving assistance from the government and nost people know that already. The difference is I paid into the system so that I would have that benefit available should it become necessary. But I also believe we have a responsibility to help those who need it. Now focus on what I said, "who need it", by that I mean those that can't should be helped, but those that won't, let em fall. Now before you go and say I am socialist, back up a second, I do realize that my being on Social Security is a socialistic program, but there is a major difference in that and being a socialist. I don't think that the government is smarter than the people. I don't think that they are better equipped to tell the people how to spend their own money. I certainly don't think that I should by default allow the government dictate to me how I should live. Our country was founded on the basis of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I don't think that our government is all in favor of the people picking their own "pursuit of happiness".
I believe we have a responsibility for educating our children, but I don't necessarily call what the US govt is doing to education in this country which is why my children went to private schools. I think parents should be able to choose where their kids go to school not this mandatory districting that has caused our schools to become nothing more than someplace for our kids to spend the day worrying about their safety. We have a system that rewards length of service over performance and that is just wrong. That is one of the reasons our education system has gone to shit.
So, do I believe in social programs, yes, in part, but do I believe in the socialistic doctrine of let the government take care of you? BIG NO. I also and a firm believer that redistributing of wealth is wrong, morally. We don't need Robin Hood taking over our country.
The problem with this line of thought is that if you "let them fall", they'll climb back up and rob you. Arguably, the whole welfare system is basically a massive bribe, where if people can't get their benefits, they'll take them. Even as far back as the Romans it was understood that you had to placate the mob, which is where we get the phrase "panem et circensis" or bread and circuses. If they can't get money from the government, they'll get it from someone else. The UK isn't any different in this regard, and the london riots are a premonition of what will happen if you take away welfare. If the tories get their way over here, we won't get a few nights of rioting, we'll get weeks or months of it.
Redistribution of wealth is the only way you'll prevent social breakdown unless you want a terror state where anyone who steps out of line is shot. Robin hood is far preferable to millions of people with nothing and therefore nothing to lose.
I agree that there needs to be regulation in the banking industry, but if you will look it up, you will see that it was Bill Clinton and not George Bush that relaxed the regulations of the banking industry. That was done during the .com bubble which is why his administration made it so well. He didn't do it, the private sector with all the billions made during that bubble that brought the tax $$ into the govt is the reason for the surplus, not his policies. Look it up, it is fact.
Hedge, Just in case you didn't know, I am disabled and am receiving assistance from the government and nost people know that already. The difference is I paid into the system so that I would have that benefit available should it become necessary. But I also believe we have a responsibility to help those who need it. Now focus on what I said, "who need it", by that I mean those that can't should be helped, but those that won't, let em fall. Now before you go and say I am socialist, back up a second, I do realize that my being on Social Security is a socialistic program, but there is a major difference in that and being a socialist. I don't think that the government is smarter than the people. I don't think that they are better equipped to tell the people how to spend their own money. I certainly don't think that I should by default allow the government dictate to me how I should live. Our country was founded on the basis of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I don't think that our government is all in favor of the people picking their own "pursuit of happiness".
I believe we have a responsibility for educating our children, but I don't necessarily call what the US govt is doing to education in this country which is why my children went to private schools. I think parents should be able to choose where their kids go to school not this mandatory districting that has caused our schools to become nothing more than someplace for our kids to spend the day worrying about their safety. We have a system that rewards length of service over performance and that is just wrong. That is one of the reasons our education system has gone to shit.
So, do I believe in social programs, yes, in part, but do I believe in the socialistic doctrine of let the government take care of you? BIG NO. I also and a firm believer that redistributing of wealth is wrong, morally. We don't need Robin Hood taking over our country.
how do you tell the cant and the wont apart? and technicly if they have paid taxes then they have paid into the system and therefor are entitled to the help wether they cant or wont.
well if you want a social program and help when needed you will have to deal with the fact that the goverment will tell you how to do things abit you cant eat the apple and save it at the same time :)
as for school well here is a solution for you get teachers some pride and decent pay and i'm sure they will pick there act up :) as for your kids safety well how about you start with gun control to make your society abit more safe i mean it is just silly that you can go into a deparment store and buy handguns and assult riffles there i mean logicaly what are you going to use them for?
how do you tell the cant and the wont apart? and technicly if they have paid taxes then they have paid into the system and therefor are entitled to the help wether they cant or wont.
well if you want a social program and help when needed you will have to deal with the fact that the goverment will tell you how to do things abit you cant eat the apple and save it at the same time :)
as for school well here is a solution for you get teachers some pride and decent pay and i'm sure they will pick there act up :) as for your kids safety well how about you start with gun control to make your society abit more safe i mean it is just silly that you can go into a deparment store and buy handguns and assult riffles there i mean logicaly what are you going to use them for?
Gunning down the rioters :P
how do you tell the cant and the wont apart? and technicly if they have paid taxes then they have paid into the system and therefor are entitled to the help wether they cant or wont.
well if you want a social program and help when needed you will have to deal with the fact that the goverment will tell you how to do things abit you cant eat the apple and save it at the same time :)
as for school well here is a solution for you get teachers some pride and decent pay and i'm sure they will pick there act up :) as for your kids safety well how about you start with gun control to make your society abit more safe i mean it is just silly that you can go into a deparment store and buy handguns and assult riffles there i mean logicaly what are you going to use them for?
I think you misunderstand a bit. There are entire generations of people that have done nothing but live off the system, they have never worked or they quit school or for whatever reason cut off their noses to spite their faces. These people have never paid into the system, they have only taken from it. There are millions and yes I said millions of people who have actually not contributed at all to their own futures and leave it to the government to feed and clothe them and take care of all their needs. I on the other hand, paid Social Security tax on my payroll my entire working life until the time I became disabled to try and make my own way. When I could no longer work, I was able to rely on a system that was put into place for that exact thing. We have entirely too many people in this country that think they are owed something simply because they feel slighted in some way so they "deserve" to be taken care of and there are those that just know no other way. Able bodied people who for whatever reason have been taught since birth that they can just do nothing and get a check. They refuse to do anything to better their own plight but want the ones who took the time and initiative to do better to support them and to a certain degree be punished because of their success. THAT is not fair nor is it right. People have to take responsibility for their own happiness and living. Now I am only talking about welfare here and not Social Security that was earned. They don't have to work at all in order to get paid. They get free medical care, which all poor people in the US do and have for years. These social programs go too far, they do nothing for anyone except breed complacency. They need to be reformed to provide for some sort of work provision like they were before Obama under executive order removed it. NOt to mention that in the last 4 years our food stamp rolls have gone from 5 million to over 23 million people who don't feed themselves. They even advertise on tv to apply for food stamps, WTF is that?
The problem is not that there is not good teachers but that the unions and NEA reward teachers for length of service over performance. There are good teachers, but there are also a lot of teachers that only view it as a job and not the responsibility of teaching our young people. Not to mention that many of the government initiatives meant to bolster education do nothing but have teachers teaching kids how to pass a test and nothing more. They need to be taught how to think, not how to memorize.
As far as gun control, NO. I believe in the 2nd amendment to the constitution. the right to bear arms. There are rules and laws in place to keep the guns away from those who shouldn't have them but they have to be enforced. And I am sorry, do we ban cars because they kill people too. What are you going to do with a motorcycle that will run 200KPH when the speed limit is only 100kph? The problem is not the guns, it is the people. There is no sense of consequence anymore. People have no conscience and that alone is reason enough for me to want to remain armed to the teeth in order to protect me and mine. Just how would you propose doing any sort of gun control as you see it today anyway?
I think you misunderstand a bit. There are entire generations of people that have done nothing but live off the system, they have never worked or they quit school or for whatever reason cut off their noses to spite their faces. These people have never paid into the system, they have only taken from it. There are millions and yes I said millions of people who have actually not contributed at all to their own futures and leave it to the government to feed and clothe them and take care of all their needs. I on the other hand, paid Social Security tax on my payroll my entire working life until the time I became disabled to try and make my own way. When I could no longer work, I was able to rely on a system that was put into place for that exact thing. We have entirely too many people in this country that think they are owed something simply because they feel slighted in some way so they "deserve" to be taken care of and there are those that just know no other way. Able bodied people who for whatever reason have been taught since birth that they can just do nothing and get a check. They refuse to do anything to better their own plight but want the ones who took the time and initiative to do better to support them and to a certain degree be punished because of their success. THAT is not fair nor is it right. People have to take responsibility for their own happiness and living. Now I am only talking about welfare here and not Social Security that was earned. They don't have to work at all in order to get paid. They get free medical care, which all poor people in the US do and have for years. These social programs go too far, they do nothing for anyone except breed complacency. They need to be reformed to provide for some sort of work provision like they were before Obama under executive order removed it. NOt to mention that in the last 4 years our food stamp rolls have gone from 5 million to over 23 million people who don't feed themselves. They even advertise on tv to apply for food stamps, WTF is that?
The problem is not that there is not good teachers but that the unions and NEA reward teachers for length of service over performance. There are good teachers, but there are also a lot of teachers that only view it as a job and not the responsibility of teaching our young people. Not to mention that many of the government initiatives meant to bolster education do nothing but have teachers teaching kids how to pass a test and nothing more. They need to be taught how to think, not how to memorize.
As far as gun control, NO. I believe in the 2nd amendment to the constitution. the right to bear arms. There are rules and laws in place to keep the guns away from those who shouldn't have them but they have to be enforced. And I am sorry, do we ban cars because they kill people too. What are you going to do with a motorcycle that will run 200KPH when the speed limit is only 100kph? The problem is not the guns, it is the people. There is no sense of consequence anymore. People have no conscience and that alone is reason enough for me to want to remain armed to the teeth in order to protect me and mine. Just how would you propose doing any sort of gun control as you see it today anyway?
well maybe thats true but on the other hand i can think of groups of people that maybe should be provided for such as for exampel native americans as compensation for your takeing of there land.
as for food stamps well atleast that is better then giveing out money it can be only be used for food insted of guns drugs and so on...
well you got to think about one fact being a teacher is a job. So if they see it as a job they arent technicly incorrect.
Now back in the day in some places in europe the prime minsiter got the same pay as a teacher in other words a teacher was respected and so teachers took pride in there job so put that in and you might have a longterm effect.
i dont see any harm in unions i mean it is for your own good as a worker to be part of a union easier if your many after all :)
well you said you where worried about your kids safety well if there is no guns they would be alot safer wouldnt you agree?
sure you have the right to bear arms and i see no problem with you haveing a hunting rifle that you could use for hunting to put food on the table. After all that works out just fine in canada for example.
what i dont understand is why you would need a handgun or an assault rifle your not gonna use it to hunt with are you?
seriously if you need a semi automatic assault rifle to hunt you should invest in traning.
as of how to enforce it well you have alot of troops all over the world invadeing other countries for no good reason just use them to clean up domesticly insted they are after all supose to protect you from all enemies forigen and domestic :)
well maybe thats true but on the other hand i can think of groups of people that maybe should be provided for such as for exampel native americans as compensation for your takeing of there land.
as for food stamps well atleast that is better then giveing out money it can be only be used for food insted of guns drugs and so on...
well you got to think about one fact being a teacher is a job. So if they see it as a job they arent technicly incorrect.
Now back in the day in some places in europe the prime minsiter got the same pay as a teacher in other words a teacher was respected and so teachers took pride in there job so put that in and you might have a longterm effect.
i dont see any harm in unions i mean it is for your own good as a worker to be part of a union easier if your many after all :)
well you said you where worried about your kids safety well if there is no guns they would be alot safer wouldnt you agree?
sure you have the right to bear arms and i see no problem with you haveing a hunting rifle that you could use for hunting to put food on the table. After all that works out just fine in canada for example.
what i dont understand is why you would need a handgun or an assault rifle your not gonna use it to hunt with are you?
seriously if you need a semi automatic assault rifle to hunt you should invest in traning.
as of how to enforce it well you have alot of troops all over the world invadeing other countries for no good reason just use them to clean up domesticly insted they are after all supose to protect you from all enemies forigen and domestic :)
I am not denying that there are people who need help and I don't really have a problem with the food stamps as a program. I know there are people who struggle and work their asses off and still can't make enough, I get that. Yes, they need to be helped. BUt i have issues with the people who refuse to at least even try and help themselves. The entitlement mentality that they are owed something when they contribute nothing and feel no responsibility to do so. Every decision you make as a young adult has a direct effect on your future so you need to make them carefully. There is not enough of that, therefore too many people who by their own decisions aren't contributors to their own lives. I also disagree witht eh government advertising for people to apply for food stamps on television, period, ever. They people of this country know about he food stamp program, it has been around since Roosevelt. That is the government trying to make the population dependent on the government and not depend on themselves so at the next election time, they can tell these people "hey the other party wants you to starve" so they keep their jobs. Give a man a fish he eats for a day... well you should know the rest of that one.
Being a teacher is more than a job, it is our future. When you have teachers who can't speak English teaching it, and you can't fire them. When you have more emphasis on a kids or a programs success at football or baseball instead of teaching the kid, it's wrong. Education is not the main goal of a lot of people in education. I don't really have union issues I just think that the politics of it all gets to be in the way of the main goal at times. When someone wants to do something to better education, the union screams about it. When you want to fire incompetent teachers, you can't. That is all I was talking about.
I am not that big a nutjob to think that everyone in the country should own assault rifles and no I don't own one. I don't have an issue with a "military type" gun being made unavailable to the public, Hell you you can buy a Cessna but you can't get an F/A 18, so why should it be different with assault rifles. However, I will own my Hunting rifles, my couple handguns and my shotguns, I have that right.
As far as complete gun control, will never happen, there are too many that belong to private citizens and if a ban is established the only ones who will turn them in are the law abiding ones.
The second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That is not for any other reason then for the people to protect themselves from the government. Originally that was the reason for it being put in there, because the founding fathers had lived under a monarchy and put this in so that it would never happen here. Now I am not saying that I think that they are trying to turn the government into a monarchy, but one reason it never has is because the citizens are armed. NOR do I think anyone would ever be stupid enough to try and invade the US for exactly that reason.
As far as using US troops to enforce the ban on guns, THAT is directly against the constitution. NO ONE has the right, even the president to use US soldiers against a member or group from a sovereign state. By that I mean one of the 50 sovereign states of America. THe US president cannot order troops to enter a state of this country without the permission of the governor of that state.
The only way you will truly be able to protect yourselves from the US government would be for anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to be freely available to private citizens. As it stands, if the US government decided to become a full-on dictatorship there would be little the american people could do about it. It would not surprise me in the least if the US army was prepared to turn on it's own people if the government ordered it to. In Washington's day, the 2nd amendment worked, but in the modern era, it's completely obsolete as it stands.
The only way you will truly be able to protect yourselves from the US government would be for anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to be freely available to private citizens. As it stands, if the US government decided to become a full-on dictatorship there would be little the american people could do about it. It would not surprise me in the least if the US army was prepared to turn on it's own people if the government ordered it to. In Washington's day, the 2nd amendment worked, but in the modern era, it's completely obsolete as it stands.
You are right will in the fact that if it came down to it, the technology of the US military would win out, but I ask you why you think that the US military would turn on its own people. Myself, I don't see it ever happening.
You are right will in the fact that if it came down to it, the technology of the US military would win out, but I ask you why you think that the US military would turn on its own people. Myself, I don't see it ever happening.
Because in the last 60-70 years the US military has gone from a genuine defense force to what is in effect little more than a mercenary army for the interests of corporations and a certain foreign state that I shouldn't neeed to name. While I doubt you could order an individual soldier to open fire on his family, if there was ever serious civil unrest in the ConUS, the government would declare any armed force they didn't control as "dangerous domestic terrorists" and I doubt it would take much to persuade a squad of soldiers from Texas to kill "terrorists" from California.
The police in the US already behave much like this. To them there are "Blue" (Cops and their families) and everyone else. Within 20 years I predict the Posse Comitatus Act will be gone, if not sooner.
Because in the last 60-70 years the US military has gone from a genuine defense force to what is in effect little more than a mercenary army for the interests of corporations and a certain foreign state that I shouldn't neeed to name. While I doubt you could order an individual soldier to open fire on his family, if there was ever serious civil unrest in the ConUS, the government would declare any armed force they didn't control as "dangerous domestic terrorists" and I doubt it would take much to persuade a squad of soldiers from Texas to kill "terrorists" from California.
The police in the US already behave much like this. To them there are "Blue" (Cops and their families) and everyone else. Within 20 years I predict the Posse Comitatus Act will be gone, if not sooner.
Well while I respect your opinion, I can't agree with it, as far as the US military. I half agree with your premise of the police though. A lot of times they go to far but at the same time, they are up against a lot in today's society. What with the drugs and gangs and the lack of parental guidance in the upbringing of the kids of today they are in a battle every day.
Well while I respect your opinion, I can't agree with it, as far as the US military. I half agree with your premise of the police though. A lot of times they go to far but at the same time, they are up against a lot in today's society. What with the drugs and gangs and the lack of parental guidance in the upbringing of the kids of today they are in a battle every day.
Well, with regard to the police, were drugs to be legalised (especially pot) much of the "War on Drugs" would disappear overnight. Our police over here have to deal with much of the same things and yet they don't behave anywhere near as badly. Not to say that ours are perfect, but I'd much rather be arrested by a British copper than a US one. No danger of being shot at least.
Well, with regard to the police, were drugs to be legalised (especially pot) much of the "War on Drugs" would disappear overnight. Our police over here have to deal with much of the same things and yet they don't behave anywhere near as badly. Not to say that ours are perfect, but I'd much rather be arrested by a British copper than a US one. No danger of being shot at least.
+1
I do agree with a certain amount of legalization. Marijuana, in my opinion is less harmful to a society than alcohol. But, I can't fully agree with the legalization of say, meth, or cocaine or heroin, etc. I just think those are too dangerous to people and the society in and of itself to allow them to be legal.
In regards to the police, I know what you are going to say, the gangs and thugs are armed and sometimes the police are outgunned.
True, they are dangerous if misused, but you could make the same argument about guns or cars. If you legalised all drugs, then you could make sure that the drugs being sold were at least clean. If an informed adult decides they want to try heroin, or cocaine, then they should be free to do so (and accept the consequences) If they are careless and die from an overdose, they only have themselves to blame. That may sound harsh, but as long as no one else is affected, I don't see how it's the government's business.
True, they are dangerous if misused, but you could make the same argument about guns or cars. If you legalised all drugs, then you could make sure that the drugs being sold were at least clean. If an informed adult decides they want to try heroin, or cocaine, then they should be free to do so (and accept the consequences) If they are careless and die from an overdose, they only have themselves to blame. That may sound harsh, but as long as no one else is affected, I don't see how it's the government's business.
Well, I guess you hae a point, but having had the past I have had, I just feel like there are certain things that cannot be controlled. Once you let the genie out of the bottle...
Now with the weed thing, if it were handled just like alcohol, just think of the tax revenue that would be generated. They are missing a golden opportunity here. Not only would it end a GREAT deal of the drug crimes they have to be involving themselves with plus making the money, so to me it looks like a win win situation.
Wait, it is a win win win situation. It could possible conserve gasoline but we would need to put in a stoners lane on all the highways. Somewhere for the stoners to go 13MPH.
I think everything should be legalized, but controlled. High taxes for everything that's bad for you (scientific arguments) and we should be good.
I am not denying that there are people who need help and I don't really have a problem with the food stamps as a program. I know there are people who struggle and work their asses off and still can't make enough, I get that. Yes, they need to be helped. BUt i have issues with the people who refuse to at least even try and help themselves. The entitlement mentality that they are owed something when they contribute nothing and feel no responsibility to do so. Every decision you make as a young adult has a direct effect on your future so you need to make them carefully. There is not enough of that, therefore too many people who by their own decisions aren't contributors to their own lives. I also disagree witht eh government advertising for people to apply for food stamps on television, period, ever. They people of this country know about he food stamp program, it has been around since Roosevelt. That is the government trying to make the population dependent on the government and not depend on themselves so at the next election time, they can tell these people "hey the other party wants you to starve" so they keep their jobs. Give a man a fish he eats for a day... well you should know the rest of that one.
Being a teacher is more than a job, it is our future. When you have teachers who can't speak English teaching it, and you can't fire them. When you have more emphasis on a kids or a programs success at football or baseball instead of teaching the kid, it's wrong. Education is not the main goal of a lot of people in education. I don't really have union issues I just think that the politics of it all gets to be in the way of the main goal at times. When someone wants to do something to better education, the union screams about it. When you want to fire incompetent teachers, you can't. That is all I was talking about.
I am not that big a nutjob to think that everyone in the country should own assault rifles and no I don't own one. I don't have an issue with a "military type" gun being made unavailable to the public, Hell you you can buy a Cessna but you can't get an F/A 18, so why should it be different with assault rifles. However, I will own my Hunting rifles, my couple handguns and my shotguns, I have that right.
As far as complete gun control, will never happen, there are too many that belong to private citizens and if a ban is established the only ones who will turn them in are the law abiding ones.
The second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That is not for any other reason then for the people to protect themselves from the government. Originally that was the reason for it being put in there, because the founding fathers had lived under a monarchy and put this in so that it would never happen here. Now I am not saying that I think that they are trying to turn the government into a monarchy, but one reason it never has is because the citizens are armed. NOR do I think anyone would ever be stupid enough to try and invade the US for exactly that reason.
As far as using US troops to enforce the ban on guns, THAT is directly against the constitution. NO ONE has the right, even the president to use US soldiers against a member or group from a sovereign state. By that I mean one of the 50 sovereign states of America. THe US president cannot order troops to enter a state of this country without the permission of the governor of that state.
well sure people make bad decissions but then again so did the banks lending money to people who they knew couldnt pay back so why arent they puniched ? :)
if you have a teacher that cant speak english teaching english you obviosly did something very wrong when you hired them that isnt technicly the teachers fault so you should fire the person responseable. i do agree that it is more then a job thou but when you get down to it you cant expect teachers to be superhumans i mean look at the lack of proper parenting that is a far larger problem imo.
as for sports programs well the whole idea of people haveing to pay and go into debt just to get an education is just freaking wrong education should be free all the way i mean if your 50-100 thousand in debt after uni is it any wonder that people loose hope and dont contribute to society?
well the us was invaded during ww2 up in the Aleutians so i dunno how effective that was :)
i'm sure there can be found a way around that small problem with the patriot act thing.
MellonColly
10-27-2012, 17:36
Well, I guess you hae a point, but having had the past I have had, I just feel like there are certain things that cannot be controlled. Once you let the genie out of the bottle...
Now with the weed thing, if it were handled just like alcohol, just think of the tax revenue that would be generated. They are missing a golden opportunity here. Not only would it end a GREAT deal of the drug crimes they have to be involving themselves with plus making the money, so to me it looks like a win win situation.
Wait, it is a win win win situation. It could possible conserve gasoline but we would need to put in a stoners lane on all the highways. Somewhere for the stoners to go 13MPH.
+1 for stoner lanes! I'd be in that one!
well sure people make bad decissions but then again so did the banks lending money to people who they knew couldnt pay back so why arent they puniched ? :)
if you have a teacher that cant speak english teaching english you obviosly did something very wrong when you hired them that isnt technicly the teachers fault so you should fire the person responseable. i do agree that it is more then a job thou but when you get down to it you cant expect teachers to be superhumans i mean look at the lack of proper parenting that is a far larger problem imo.
as for sports programs well the whole idea of people haveing to pay and go into debt just to get an education is just freaking wrong education should be free all the way i mean if your 50-100 thousand in debt after uni is it any wonder that people loose hope and dont contribute to society?
well the us was invaded during ww2 up in the Aleutians so i dunno how effective that was :)
i'm sure there can be found a way around that small problem with the patriot act thing.
This is more than I have written in these forums EVER, so with this one, we will agree to disagree. I just hope we don't have another 4 years of the Great Divider.
+1 for stoner lanes! I'd be in that one!
Carpool?
MellonColly
10-27-2012, 17:44
I like how Mitt keeps saying Obama wouldn't work with congress. But they wouldn't work with him either
MellonColly
10-27-2012, 17:45
Carpool?
They should also put little bubbles around the cars...so when im taking a hit and i dont see the road...a 10 mph rear end would be fun
Instead of spare tires, have a spare roll of bubble wrap.
I like how Mitt keeps saying Obama wouldn't work with congress. But they wouldn't work with him either
No, after he and the Dem controlled rammed the healthcare bill down their throats, they wouldn't. That is what caused the people to vote in the tea partiers and they have been nothing but obstructionists from the word go.
MellonColly
10-27-2012, 17:59
yes but when the people actually wanted health care....
yes but when the people actually wanted health care....
Explain why, if the people wanted health care, the Republicans took back over the house. With tea partiers no less. I can't wait to hear this one...
MellonColly
10-27-2012, 18:03
cause SOCIALISM!
They scared everyone into thinking this was step one of some master plan. When pretty much every other developed nation has national heathcare.
cause SOCIALISM!
They scared everyone into thinking this was step one of some master plan. When pretty much every other developed nation has national heathcare.
and so the truth is revealed :)
You know, what I dont think you guys are getting is that he isn't providing health care nor is he proposing that the government provide it but he is requiring Americans to buy insurance. Punishable by heavy fines which the Supreme Court has already classified as a tax. There goes the "no tax increase on the middle class"..
MellonColly
10-29-2012, 08:03
If you already have insurance nothing much is changing. You are just now covered for pre existing conditions and quite a few other things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#2010_Patie nt_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act_details)...a nd like me, when I came out of school I could still stay on my parents plan since the age is 26 for that now. But I got a job so I didn't have to worry about that. My sister for instance tho, shes 23 and goes to school part time and lives at home so this helps her out. She doesn't have to go buy insurance and can stay on my parents plan.
Starting in 2013, an extra 0.9% Medicare tax will be charged on:
(1) salary and/or SE income above $200,000 for an unmarried individual,
(2) combined salary and/or SE income above $250,000 for a married joint-filing couple, and
(3) salary and/or SE income above $125,000 for those who use married filing separate status. For self-employed individuals, the additional 0.9% Medicare tax hit will come in the form of a higher SE bill.
Here you go. There's the extra cost.
imo the advantages outweigh the extra costs
1. covering pre existing conditions
2. no more cap on insurance costs when i get older
3. stayin on parents plan til 26
4. Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage
5. reducing fraud in health care and cutting costs (still to be seen)
YOu don't have anything here about the Individual Mandate which requires all people to buy insurance and if they don't then they will be fined. THey can take their income tax checks. A lot of poor people that I know personally, need that and cannot afford to have that taken away. That is the Tax on the middle income and poor people I am referring to. \Granted, the first year, it is like $100, but if the continue to not be able to afford to buy a policy, they can be fined up to $4000. HOw can the working poor afford that. And since when can the government demand that the people BUY a certain product??? DO you know the only time in our history that the government compelled the people to buy anything?? Around the time our constitution was written, the government compelled every man to buy a gun.
YEs, those things that you talk about aren't so intrusive, but students could stay on their parents insurance until they were 24 if they were students before all this anyway. I know because my kids stayed on their mom's policy the entire tie they were in college. However, and what a lot of people either don't care to remember or just don't pay attention, but the poor people have always had health care. If someone shows up at any state hospital, they are treated and if they can't pay, they are treated anyway.
Do you also realize that most "small companies" that employ 50% of our workforce, file taxes as an individual? They aren't big enough to file as a corporation and don't get the corporate payroll tax breaks, so what is that tax increase going to do to that small company> Encourage them to hire more employees? I doubt it very seriously. So, .9 tax increase on 100 employees, what does that work out to? A lot more than you realize. That is going to encourage hiring more employees too isn't it? Oh I see this doing wonders toward bringing down our unemployment rate, don't you?
The program is unsustainable in its current form.
YOu don't have anything here about the Individual Mandate which requires all people to buy insurance and if they don't then they will be fined. THey can take their income tax checks. A lot of poor people that I know personally, need that and cannot afford to have that taken away. That is the Tax on the middle income and poor people I am referring to. \Granted, the first year, it is like $100, but if the continue to not be able to afford to buy a policy, they can be fined up to $4000. HOw can the working poor afford that. And since when can the government demand that the people BUY a certain product??? DO you know the only time in our history that the government compelled the people to buy anything?? Around the time our constitution was written, the government compelled every man to buy a gun.
YEs, those things that you talk about aren't so intrusive, but students could stay on their parents insurance until they were 24 if they were students before all this anyway. I know because my kids stayed on their mom's policy the entire tie they were in college. However, and what a lot of people either don't care to remember or just don't pay attention, but the poor people have always had health care. If someone shows up at any state hospital, they are treated and if they can't pay, they are treated anyway.
Do you also realize that most "small companies" that employ 50% of our workforce, file taxes as an individual? They aren't big enough to file as a corporation and don't get the corporate payroll tax breaks, so what is that tax increase going to do to that small company> Encourage them to hire more employees? I doubt it very seriously. So, .9 tax increase on 100 employees, what does that work out to? A lot more than you realize. That is going to encourage hiring more employees too isn't it? Oh I see this doing wonders toward bringing down our unemployment rate, don't you?
The program is unsustainable in its current form.
All this is why you should go with a single payer system like the NHS. 100% coverage, no fines, no rejections. If you get sick, you get treated for free. Of course, this would require a tax raise, but that is a small price to pay.
If you already have insurance nothing much is changing. You are just now covered for pre existing conditions and quite a few other things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#2010_Patie nt_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act_details)...a nd like me, when I came out of school I could still stay on my parents plan since the age is 26 for that now. But I got a job so I didn't have to worry about that. My sister for instance tho, shes 23 and goes to school part time and lives at home so this helps her out. She doesn't have to go buy insurance and can stay on my parents plan.
Starting in 2013, an extra 0.9% Medicare tax will be charged on:
(1) salary and/or SE income above $200,000 for an unmarried individual,
(2) combined salary and/or SE income above $250,000 for a married joint-filing couple, and
(3) salary and/or SE income above $125,000 for those who use married filing separate status. For self-employed individuals, the additional 0.9% Medicare tax hit will come in the form of a higher SE bill.
Here you go. There's the extra cost.
imo the advantages outweigh the extra costs
1. covering pre existing conditions
2. no more cap on insurance costs when i get older
3. stayin on parents plan til 26
4. Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage
5. reducing fraud in health care and cutting costs (still to be seen)
Health insurance costs for families are up considerably: “Kaiser’s survey found that annual insurance premiums to cover people through their employers average $5,429 for single people and $15,073 for a family of four in 2011. Those rates rose 8 percent for single people and 9 percent for families. In 2010, premiums rose just 3 percent for families from the previous year.”
Then there’s the price hikes in the current year: “The cost to cover the typical family of four under an employer plan is expected to top $20,000 on health care this year, up more than 7 percent from last year, according to early projections by independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc.”
PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute projects medical costs will increase 7.5 percent for 2013, a rate they characterize as “relatively flat growth.” The National Business Group on Health projects a similar figure: “With the cost of employer-provided health care benefits at large U.S. employers expected to rise another 7 percent next year, employers are eyeing a variety of cost-control measures including asking workers to pay a greater portion of premiums but also sharply boosting financial rewards to engage workers in healthy lifestyles, according to a new survey by the National Business Group on Health, a non-profit association of 342 large employers.” Quoted from "http://www.nationalreview.com"
MellonColly
10-29-2012, 18:52
the cost of everything is up right now. Of course costs will be high for this too until the market evens out. It's new and insurance companies still want to make there .02 cents. Do you really think they will keep costs down if they are having to foot the bill for more people?
And the idea that people can get free care is laughable....really dogma? You think that walking into the ER and getting care is the best route for these people who can't afford it? Come on..
No, Ang, I am not saying that it is optimal health care, but it is actually against the law in this country for anyone to be refused treatment for a medical condition. That is all I was saying. Do I think that people should have to depend on going to an ER, no I don't. But I also do not believe in the government plan as it is written. There are too many unknowns and too many things that are going to cost entirely too much. I just don't see it as being sustainable. Not only that, but if the "government run health care system" suddenly finds that large fries and a chocolate shake are causing obesity in this country, does that give them the right to regulate that too? Hey they are going to be wanting to reduce health care costs and obese people are draining on health care with their health problems, do they outlaw obesity? and fine people over a certain weight? No? How do you know? It is just entirely too intrusive on our liberty, sorry if you disagree, but I think it is and I won't ever agree to allowing the government to make my life decisions for me or my family. That is not what this country was founded on and I don't think that there is a better system of government than the one that our founding fathers created.
All this is why you should go with a single payer system like the NHS. 100% coverage, no fines, no rejections. If you get sick, you get treated for free. Of course, this would require a tax raise, but that is a small price to pay.
will is correct that is what you should be aiming for the system obama put in isnt perfect but it is a step in the right direction ;)
I think they should regulate obesity by putting taxes on the products that cause those problems.
Alcohol is bad, raise taxes.
Cigarettes are bad, raise taxes.
Fuel is bad, raise taxes.
See the pattern there?
holy shit! I sure am glad my kids got out of school before whatever they are teaching now got into play. I would hate to think that my kids were taught to be socialists.NO, that is why I sent my kids to private school. I didn't want them in the public education system.
You know, there are socialist countries out there you could move to. I would even help pack.
holy shit! I sure am glad my kids got out of school before whatever they are teaching now got into play. I would hate to think that my kids were taught to be socialists.NO, that is why I sent my kids to private school. I didn't want them in the public education system.
You know, there are socialist countries out there you could move to. I would even help pack.
I hope you're not counting the UK among those countries. We have tories in power now and if they're socialist, then I'm next in line for the throne.
Well since we will never agree, I thought I could at least get a rise by throwing some random insult out there. ****, didn't get one. :(
MellonColly
10-31-2012, 15:17
I'm too even tempered for you to affect me Dogma :P
We are being taught in school to use our heads. I use mine and think that the old way doesn't work anymore.
Well since we will never agree, I thought I could at least get a rise by throwing some random insult out there. ****, didn't get one. :(
Your trolling powers are weak old man:P
No, Ang, I am not saying that it is optimal health care, but it is actually against the law in this country for anyone to be refused treatment for a medical condition. That is all I was saying. Do I think that people should have to depend on going to an ER, no I don't. But I also do not believe in the government plan as it is written. There are too many unknowns and too many things that are going to cost entirely too much. I just don't see it as being sustainable. Not only that, but if the "government run health care system" suddenly finds that large fries and a chocolate shake are causing obesity in this country, does that give them the right to regulate that too? Hey they are going to be wanting to reduce health care costs and obese people are draining on health care with their health problems, do they outlaw obesity? and fine people over a certain weight? No? How do you know? It is just entirely too intrusive on our liberty, sorry if you disagree, but I think it is and I won't ever agree to allowing the government to make my life decisions for me or my family. That is not what this country was founded on and I don't think that there is a better system of government than the one that our founding fathers created.
as blaa says tax the unhealthy stuff higher make healthy food cheaper and lower taxes on it lower taxes on green energy and so on. it doesnt limit your options it just means you will have to contribute more for causeing big expenses makes perfect sense if you think about it healthy food is far to expensive in the us compared to unhealthy food for example.
I'm too even tempered for you to affect me Dogma :P
We are being taught in school to use our heads. I use mine and think that the old way doesn't work anymore.
Your trolling powers are weak old man:P
I was actually just trying a back ended attempt, Trust me, I will do better. ;)
Maggio would have flipped out and called me names.
all electoral college maps are showing obama will win, vegas has obama favored and they havent been wrong in a long time
I just hope we can all get along after this election
I think the constitution is great, but becoming more and more outdated
all electoral college maps are showing obama will win, vegas has obama favored and they havent been wrong in a long time
I just hope we can all get along after this election
I think the constitution is great, but becoming more and more outdated
But who is likely to win the popular vote? if Romney wins that and Obama wins the Electoral College, you guys could end up with civil war.
popular vote means nothing, because if it did we would of had Al Gore, and who knows how the US would be today. I voted Gore, then Bush, then Obama, and now....
popular vote means nothing, because if it did we would of had Al Gore, and who knows how the US would be today. I voted Gore, then Bush, then Obama, and now....
you will vote for mr president ;)
MellonColly
11-02-2012, 07:14
But who is likely to win the popular vote? if Romney wins that and Obama wins the Electoral College, you guys could end up with civil war.
Na but it might make us actually change this dumb electoral college system. I don't like how its set up. I think the popular vote should decide it.
We didn't have a civil war when the same thing happened with bush and gore. Just a bunch of court cases. Whole lotta nuthin
Well I hope like hell we don't have the court cases this time. But as for the electoral college, sorry folks, it is in the constitution, that some think is outdated to which I disagree, that the states elect the president.
The framers of our constitution were geniuses, they were able to write something over 200 years ago, that still applies and is relevant today. Granted times change, but the constitution does not. When I started voting, Alabama didn't even have the president's name on the ballot, only the electors.
MellonColly
11-02-2012, 12:15
i got to disagree about the electoral. This was written back when we had 13 states...and a very small population so it worked. Now its rediculous that its like 5 states that can decide the election. Essentially if your voting in a blue state as a republican..your vote means nothing.
Well I hope like hell we don't have the court cases this time. But as for the electoral college, sorry folks, it is in the constitution, that some think is outdated to which I disagree, that the states elect the president.
The framers of our constitution were geniuses, they were able to write something over 200 years ago, that still applies and is relevant today. Granted times change, but the constitution does not. When I started voting, Alabama didn't even have the president's name on the ballot, only the electors.
well if you look at it, it makes no sense to vote in the us because in the end it doesnt matter because there is a failsafe incase you vote in the "wrong president" :P
i got to disagree about the electoral. This was written back when we had 13 states...and a very small population so it worked. Now its rediculous that its like 5 states that can decide the election. Essentially if your voting in a blue state as a republican..your vote means nothing.
People voting is what makes them a blue state or a red state.
only 4 times has the popular vote been different then the electoral college outcome. thats pretty good i think
Ok, I think I am done discussing this one. think I will not resort to the petty insults.
Ang is Maggio and Stoness' love child.
If I understand the US system correctly, it's theoretically possible for one candidate to get 100% of the popular vote, and still lose the election?
Extremely unlikely, I admit, but the fact that it's even possible beggars belief.
Ok, I think I am done discussing this one. think I will not resort to the petty insults.
Ang is Maggio and Stoness' love child.
oh? I was playing nice lately... it will all be over soon
"Vote for me or we'll wreck the economy" - Mitt Romney
In what his campaign billed as his “closing argument,” Mitt Romney warned Americans that a second term for President Obama would have apocalyptic consequences for the economy in part because his own party would force a debt ceiling disaster.
“Unless we change course, we may well be looking at another recession,” Romney told a crowd in West Allis, Wisconsin.
Romney said that Obama “promised to be a post-partisan president, but he became the most partisan” and that his bitter relations with the House GOP could threaten the economy. As his chief example, he pointed to a crisis created entirely by his own party’s choice — Republican lawmakers’ ongoing threat to reject a debt ceiling increase. Economists warn that a failure to pass such a measure would have immediate and catastrophic consequences for the recovery
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/romney-new-recession-warning.php
oh? I was playing nice lately... it will all be over soon
I know, I wasn't supposed to let it out, but I just couldn't help myself... :P
Na but it might make us actually change this dumb electoral college system. I don't like how its set up. I think the popular vote should decide it.
We didn't have a civil war when the same thing happened with bush and gore. Just a bunch of court cases. Whole lotta nuthin
Instead we have the supreme court deciding elections. What a great system you guys have :P
Xavior is a closet Latvian.
Now we just need Obama to use his second term to go full socialist :)
Will, do us all a favor, if you want a country to change, change your own. We don't want to be like Britain. Remember we left Britain over 300 years ago. We didn't want to be like Britain then so we kicked Britain's *** off our land when she tried to make us stay a part of Britain. We can handle our own problems.
Will, do us all a favor, if you want a country to change, change your own. We don't want to be like Britain. Remember we left Britain over 300 years ago. We didn't want to be like Britain then so we kicked Britain's *** off our land when she tried to make us stay a part of Britain. We can handle our own problems.
236 years :)
I'd rather change both countries. And it's a little silly to compare the Britain of George III to the one today. Though I suspect that had Washington been able to look ahead and see how things turned out, he might have been a lot less keen on having a revolution.
236 years :)
I'd rather change both countries. And it's a little silly to compare the Britain of George III to the one today. Though I suspect that had Washington been able to look ahead and see how things turned out, he might have been a lot less keen on having a revolution.
Leave the butthurt Dogma alone! :o
Leave the butthurt Dogma alone! :o
All right. Dogma, we'll have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
Leave the butthurt Dogma alone! :o
well as we can see the republicans may not have wisdom but atleast it seams the electoral college showed some wisdom and prevented the us population from electing the wrong president ;)
BladeEWG
11-08-2012, 06:42
i got to disagree about the electoral. This was written back when we had 13 states...and a very small population so it worked. Now its rediculous that its like 5 states that can decide the election. Essentially if your voting in a blue state as a republican..your vote means nothing.
Yep, its different now and the constitution was not designed to stay intact for over 200 years.
It was written as a guide and should have been changed as the country grew.
The fact we have added amendments has not changed the core, and thats what needs work.
Using the popular vote would keep voters interested and bring out more to vote.
The risk in that of course is having a recount nationwide.
But it is what it is *shrug*
Now we get 4 more years of the same...
So who really wins?
Something that my dad told me a long time ago may make a little sense and years to come, I would like you guys to stop and remember I said it. "A man who is not a liberal in his 20's has no heart: a man that isn't a conservative in his 40's has no brain."
236 years :)
I'd rather change both countries. And it's a little silly to compare the Britain of George III to the one today. Though I suspect that had Washington been able to look ahead and see how things turned out, he might have been a lot less keen on having a revolution.
236 years was when we went independent, we left long before that. :) We have agreed to disagree many times before so I guess we can again...
Something that my dad told me a long time ago may make a little sense and years to come, I would like you guys to stop and remember I said it. "A man who is not a liberal in his 20's has no heart: a man that isn't a conservative in his 40's has no brain."
- Winston Churchill
Well, do you guys still think that Obama is the saint you thought he was when this thread started? I still don't.
Lord Burch
06-10-2013, 20:24
Well, do you guys still think that Obama is the saint you thought he was when this thread started? I still don't.
Not sure if this has any validity but gas prices are far higher with Obama than with Bush... :shrugs:
well yes but us petrol priceses are silly low to start with i mean i was in alaska and they where complaining about like 3 or maybe it was 4 dollars per gallon that silly to complain about try european prices ;)
he isnt all that, but still dont think romney would have been the right choice for me.
Lord Burch
06-11-2013, 20:01
he isnt all that, but still dont think romney would have been the right choice for me.
Aren't you forgetting McCain of all things? If we elected him we wouldn't be having this conversation :P
Lord Burch
06-11-2013, 20:04
well yes but us petrol priceses are silly low to start with i mean i was in alaska and they where complaining about like 3 or maybe it was 4 dollars per gallon that silly to complain about try european prices ;)
Albeit that being true ones who use pounds or euros shouldn't really talk...their currencies are far stronger than the u.s. dollar so it kinda evens out...:P
Satan666
06-12-2013, 04:42
Well, do you guys still think that Obama is the saint you thought he was when this thread started? I still don't.
I by no means think that he is a saint in any capacity, that being said I have no doubts that if the president would have ended up being a republican this past election or in the '08 election we would be in a very similar situation but instead of the republicans talking about the things democrats are doing it would be the other way around. And sure you can argue that certain things would be different and things passed on Obama's watch wouldn't have been done if it was Romney or McCain, but that would change the topic of the criticism and not the passion against it.
What i believe counts at the end of the day is looking at the candidate and choosing them based on their ideals and not about what letter is in parentheses next to their name.
(why the fluff does c a p a c i t y turn into that)
What i believe counts at the end of the day is looking at the candidate and choosing them based on their ideals and not about what letter is in parentheses next to their name.
(why the fluff does c a p a c i t y turn into that)
Satan, I could not agree with you more. I am not a "dyed in the wool" republican. I am conservative in my beliefs however, not necessarily republican over all else. I do though, have to disagree with the statement that Maggio made that Romney wasn't the right choice. My only point there is that how many businesses has he either started, run turned around. Ok, insert the "exported jobs" comment here. Now ask yourself how many jobs has Obama even held? The idea of voting for "hope and change" just to me, isn't enough of a qualification to be the most powerful man on the planet and he proves it every day. When is he going to stop campaigning? He will be seen by history as the worst president in the history of the USA. He makes Jimmy Carter look like a Roosevelt.
Now for the reference to John McCain, he has been in DC too long. He is no where near who or what this country needs and I am not so sure he ever was.
I consider myself a constitutionalist and this president uses the US Constitution as toilet paper. Say that it is outdated, I will disagree. Say that is is a living document and needs to be rewritten and I will disagree. The constitution was written in order to limit government not limit the people. Some people have somehow gotten that wrong.
Lord Burch
06-12-2013, 19:08
Satan, I could not agree with you more. I am not a "dyed in the wool" republican. I am conservative in my beliefs however, not necessarily republican over all else. I do though, have to disagree with the statement that Maggio made that Romney wasn't the right choice. My only point there is that how many businesses has he either started, run turned around. Ok, insert the "exported jobs" comment here. Now ask yourself how many jobs has Obama even held? The idea of voting for "hope and change" just to me, isn't enough of a qualification to be the most powerful man on the planet and he proves it every day. When is he going to stop campaigning? He will be seen by history as the worst president in the history of the USA. He makes Jimmy Carter look like a Roosevelt.
Now for the reference to John McCain, he has been in DC too long. He is no where near who or what this country needs and I am not so sure he ever was.
I consider myself a constitutionalist and this president uses the US Constitution as toilet paper. Say that it is outdated, I will disagree. Say that is is a living document and needs to be rewritten and I will disagree. The constitution was written in order to limit government not limit the people. Some people have somehow gotten that wrong.
hey man I am neither conservative nor liberal. I am an American and to me its America first politics last.
hey man I am neither conservative nor liberal. I am an American and to me its America first politics last.
Well said. I think that the president is doing more harm than good for the left as his policies and standoff approach to leadership (if that is what he is doing) is tarnishing what the party stands for. Or maybe he is playing his hand too soon and alienating his base.
I do have a question for the scholars here. Why is it ok to make concessions for the muslim faith all the while removing any reference of the GOd of the christian faith from public life? Are the American people just scared or are they that hypocritical? Where are the atheists on this one? They released yesterday that UC (University of Chicago) permanently removed the pews from the chapel on campus to accommodate muslim prayers. Is that right?
I know the spell check says I should capitalize the word muslim, but I refuse.
Lord Burch
06-18-2013, 03:06
Well said. I think that the president is doing more harm than good for the left as his policies and standoff approach to leadership (if that is what he is doing) is tarnishing what the party stands for. Or maybe he is playing his hand too soon and alienating his base.
I do have a question for the scholars here. Why is it ok to make concessions for the muslim faith all the while removing any reference of the GOd of the christian faith from public life? Are the American people just scared or are they that hypocritical? Where are the atheists on this one? They released yesterday that UC (University of Chicago) permanently removed the pews from the chapel on campus to accommodate muslim prayers. Is that right?
I know the spell check says I should capitalize the word muslim, but I refuse.
I won't make a religious statement but its absolute fear that they give concessions to Muslim. Personally I could care less for religious groups. A summed up reason.
Some random person claims to hear and see voices they get branded schizophrenic but if its "God's" then you are spiritually aware.
As for Atheists they are eating chips drinking soda watching Tom Cruise scientology and watching Michael Moore's "film" just like every otheist. :P
well if you want freedom of religion shouldnt the prayer places be open to everyone? after all judasism christianity and islam are based on the same god just with diffrent names so i dont see why you think they are diffrent :P
Well for one, my Catholic upbringing tells me that killing someone just because they don't believe the same things as me is wrong. That is not what islam says. It tells its followers to kill those they don't convert. It also states proper ways to beat your women, when it is justifiable to behead someone. It advocates child molestation in the name of marriage. Women cannot be seen at all and when they are they better be covered and accompanied by a family member.
To me that is no religion, it is a political doctrine.
Lord Burch
06-18-2013, 21:33
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No one? Really? lol
Well said. I think that the president is doing more harm than good for the left as his policies and standoff approach to leadership (if that is what he is doing) is tarnishing what the party stands for. Or maybe he is playing his hand too soon and alienating his base. I do have a question for the scholars here. Why is it ok to make concessions for the muslim faith all the while removing any reference of the GOd of the christian faith from public life? Are the American people just scared or are they that hypocritical? Where are the atheists on this one? They released yesterday that UC (University of Chicago) permanently removed the pews from the chapel on campus to accommodate muslim prayers. Is that right? I know the spell check says I should capitalize the word muslim, but I refuse.i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore.I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for word, and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive. I feel that our country is divided by two segments, ones that want to progress and ones that will not let go of old standards. Between the two groups NONE can find common ground and thats where the mud starts to sling.your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point.I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I dont mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue.our government is reactive only and not proactive. not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. meaning you have to make less that $20,000 (for example) well the 20k ten years ago was much different than what 20k is worth today.Do some math, 7.25/hr x 40hrs x 52 weeks... its about 15K wtf can you do with 15k? you cant afford rent, a car payment, health insurance, car insurance, food for yourself much less a child, we havent even talked about utilities like water, and power...we are not talking about shitty jobs like mcdonalds and shit either. in the mall i work at there are over a hundred stores. if you make 10/hr as a sales associate your doing pretty good. you have to be a manager of some sort to start making any money. its just not kids working in these stores. quite a few adults nowadaysthe cycle is vicious and has no mercy... then to have people complain about people on "the system" taking hand outs etc.... dont be ignorant, open your eyes. sure some suck off of it, but MOST of the time assistance is needed for basic survival. Sure the media is going to find someone talking on their obama phone, or wont work and has 10 kids, or is "illegal" but I promise you that is the media leading you down the path of hate and resentment. its not always so cut and dry.the part of the country that is really going down the tube is the segment of the population that will watch news all day, rant and complain all ****ing day about shit, but wont lift a finger to do anything about it. voting every few years is not getting it done. if you want your country to change it begins in your community, then your town, then your city, county, state... get out and do something rather than sitting on your *** and pointing out all the problems. We have enough people doing that already.The problem is not the president, its the people (this was not written directed at Dogma at all and I am certainly not insinuating is ignorant or anything like that. this is a broad statement directed at ALL)
i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore.I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for word, and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive. I feel that our country is divided by two segments, ones that want to progress and ones that will not let go of old standards. Between the two groups NONE can find common ground and thats where the mud starts to sling.your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point.I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I dont mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue.our government is reactive only and not proactive. not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. meaning you have to make less that $20,000 (for example) well the 20k ten years ago was much different than what 20k is worth today.Do some math, 7.25/hr x 40hrs x 52 weeks... its about 15K wtf can you do with 15k? you cant afford rent, a car payment, health insurance, car insurance, food for yourself much less a child, we havent even talked about utilities like water, and power...we are not talking about shitty jobs like mcdonalds and shit either. in the mall i work at there are over a hundred stores. if you make 10/hr as a sales associate your doing pretty good. you have to be a manager of some sort to start making any money. its just not kids working in these stores. quite a few adults nowadaysthe cycle is vicious and has no mercy... then to have people complain about people on "the system" taking hand outs etc.... dont be ignorant, open your eyes. sure some suck off of it, but MOST of the time assistance is needed for basic survival. Sure the media is going to find someone talking on their obama phone, or wont work and has 10 kids, or is "illegal" but I promise you that is the media leading you down the path of hate and resentment. its not always so cut and dry.the part of the country that is really going down the tube is the segment of the population that will watch news all day, rant and complain all ****ing day about shit, but wont lift a finger to do anything about it. voting every few years is not getting it done. if you want your country to change it begins in your community, then your town, then your city, county, state... get out and do something rather than sitting on your *** and pointing out all the problems. We have enough people doing that already.The problem is not the president, its the people (this was not written directed at Dogma at all and I am certainly not insinuating is ignorant or anything like that. this is a broad statement directed at ALL)
in prespective in sweden the min wage depends on the unions deals but as far as i know hospitality is the lowest at 16 the min wage is 11,5 usd an hour based on todays excange rate and no lb we dont have the euro :)
at 18 its 17 usd an hour :)
Lord Burch
06-19-2013, 19:35
in prespective in sweden the min wage depends on the unions deals but as far as i know hospitality is the lowest at 16 the min wage is 11,5 usd an hour based on todays excange rate and no lb we dont have the euro :)
at 18 its 17 usd an hour :)
Wait are you part of EU? I thought EU members were required to change currencies. Then again I probably got that thought from German class of all places XD
i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore.I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for word, and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive. I feel that our country is divided by two segments, ones that want to progress and ones that will not let go of old standards. Between the two groups NONE can find common ground and thats where the mud starts to sling.your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point.I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I dont mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue.our government is reactive only and not proactive. not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. meaning you have to make less that $20,000 (for example) well the 20k ten years ago was much different than what 20k is worth today.Do some math, 7.25/hr x 40hrs x 52 weeks... its about 15K wtf can you do with 15k? you cant afford rent, a car payment, health insurance, car insurance, food for yourself much less a child, we havent even talked about utilities like water, and power...we are not talking about shitty jobs like mcdonalds and shit either. in the mall i work at there are over a hundred stores. if you make 10/hr as a sales associate your doing pretty good. you have to be a manager of some sort to start making any money. its just not kids working in these stores. quite a few adults nowadaysthe cycle is vicious and has no mercy... then to have people complain about people on "the system" taking hand outs etc.... dont be ignorant, open your eyes. sure some suck off of it, but MOST of the time assistance is needed for basic survival. Sure the media is going to find someone talking on their obama phone, or wont work and has 10 kids, or is "illegal" but I promise you that is the media leading you down the path of hate and resentment. its not always so cut and dry.the part of the country that is really going down the tube is the segment of the population that will watch news all day, rant and complain all ****ing day about shit, but wont lift a finger to do anything about it. voting every few years is not getting it done. if you want your country to change it begins in your community, then your town, then your city, county, state... get out and do something rather than sitting on your *** and pointing out all the problems. We have enough people doing that already.The problem is not the president, its the people (this was not written directed at Dogma at all and I am certainly not insinuating is ignorant or anything like that. this is a broad statement directed at ALL)
Well, if ya hadn't actually quoted me on the original quote, I wouldn't necessarily think you were directing that at me. But, that's ok, John, that's what you and I do, it is what you and I have done for what? Going on 10 years now?:scared2:
I will have a response to this, in my usual manner, but DAMN, you gonna make me type one like Pres does...
Well, if ya hadn't actually quoted me on the original quote, I wouldn't necessarily think you were directing that at me. But, that's ok, John, that's what you and I do, it is what you and I have done for what? Going on 10 years now?:scared2: I will have a response to this, in my usual manner, but DAMN, you gonna make me type one like Pres does...i did origanally quote you to repsond directly but once i started ranting, i realized that it was not toward you but to the general public. I almost removed the direct quote reply but figured i needed to keep it to base my subject matter on.
Wait are you part of EU? I thought EU members were required to change currencies. Then again I probably got that thought from German class of all places XD
nope its us and the uk thats not in ;)
Lord Burch
06-20-2013, 05:14
nope its us and the uk thats not in ;)
Then again...I slept most of the time in German class.
I would hate to be in Sweden.
i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) Well congrats to you for making you kid go long enough to finish 8th grade. I am sure it is a big thing to him, but as you stated, praise for no significant accomplishment. When you start talking about the whole other subject of that we will talk then.
and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore. Well this surprises me as OUR liberties are being infringed upon more and more every day.
I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. Have no problems with making a few concessions for people, but where does it stop. When is it ok to say no, this is how we do it here? Going back to my original post, Those Christian students that used that chapel, what do they do now? That was basically made into a mosque and Christian prayers are not allowed by islamic law. YOu think it is ok that whatever woman has sex, gets pregnant then goes to Planned Parenthood or Dr Gosnell and has an abortion and kills a human child and I have to pay for that? That is progress? Marriage is fundamentally a religious ceremony, not a function of government so we should require religions to allow and recognize 2 men or 2 women who want to get married and I have to concede that it is ok? The benefits that come from the gov for marriage were put there to encourage procreation. No country or society can survive with out procreation of the population.
we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for word, I for one, do not believe that the bible should be taken word for word and my catholic school education taught me that. It was taught to Our Lady Of Lourdes Catholic School in the 1960's that the bible is not to be taken in it's literal sense. But people in this country are free to believe what the want and be free of persecution as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Is that one that you think should be done away with?
and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. The constitution was written expressly in order to limit the reach of government in our lives. It is NOT a document that limits the people. If it is not in the constitution stating that the government is allowed to do it, then the gov can't do it. Which part would you say is outdated? Our freedom of speech? No, I know, it is the right of the people to bear arms isn't it? Do you know why we have never been invaded by either a foreign government or our own? That's right, we own guns. Or would you say that the article that outlines th epowers of the president should be changed or the legislature. Maybe abolish the judicial branch? What would you change in it. You have been *****ing about he constitution since I have known you and I am curious what part would you take out? Should the gov be allowed to enter your home whenever they want to just to check on you and make sure that you aren't doing anything wrong in their eyes? Are you ok that the IRS targeted people who have different beliefs than you? Are you ok that James Rosen, a legitimate reporter had his phones, emails and his parent's phones and emails seized?
Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive.
I feel that our country is divided by two segments, ones that want to progress and ones that will not let go of old standards. Between the two groups NONE can find common ground and thats where the mud starts to sling. You are right, this country is divided into 2 segments, those of us that want limited government intrusion in our lives and those that want the Government to take the lead in everything we do. One side believes that you take personal responsibility and the other blames everyone else for their hard times. So yeah, you're right, those that want the government to take care for them, will always want the gov to do that and those of us that don't won't.
your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point. My point was to try and bring some discussion to this dead forum. But you took it way over what I was hoping for.
I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I don't mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. You are right, I agree we should take care of ours first. Just like sending our president and his family on a $60Million VACATION while the White House is closed to tours and people are being furloughed because of sequestration. Or sending them to Hawaii or to the Bahamas for spring break and our troops in Afghanistan have their hot meals cut back.
The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. Ok, the free market has goten us in quite a mess, ok, I'll concede. The free market has in 235 years made the USA the strongest, richest, most compassionate country in the history of the planet. I agree, that is a problem. Your governemet5 has been pumping billions of $$ into the stock market for years now and who has gotten richer? The poor? no, the ones who were already rich. This president by executive order has been pumping $$ into the stock market to the tune of trillions for 4 years now and who has benefited? Has it been any of the hungry children you speak of? Has it been the war veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan with massive injuries? Is is the old lady who can't afford to buy her medications because she has to eat? No, it is the wall street bankers that are making the $$$. Do you realize that there is $9 trillion that is unaccounted for in the fed bank system right now? Where is that money??
My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue. My first job I was making 4.25 an hour and I got married when I was making 6.75. Another thing that you didn't point out in raising the min wage, if it is raised EVERYTHING would go up. The cost of groceries, clothing, gas, cars, everything as the employees' pay is all figured into the price of goods. NOt to mention the people that would lose their jobs because of it.
our government is reactive only and not proactive. Now it is because your progressive president leads from behind. We now have a world that has the muslim brotherhood in control of Egypt, and Libya and now we are sending arms to them in Syria along with Al Qaeda along with the ones they already had. Egypt was a huge ally to the US but now??? Our ambassador was murdered and what did he do? We still don't know the answer to that one because we haven't gotten thru the lies that they told to try and cover it up.
not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. No, you have it wrong, you go for assistance when you NEED assistance, not just want it. NEED! It shouldn't be easy to get assistance, it should be easier to get a job than to be on public assistance. That way there is incentive to get off and go to work. If you get public money or assistance, you should have to work for it. We don't need a nanny state.
meaning you have to make less that $20,000 (for example) well the 20k ten years ago was much different than what 20k is worth today.Do some math, 7.25/hr x 40hrs x 52 weeks... its about 15K wtf can you do with 15k? you cant afford rent, a car payment, health insurance, car insurance, food for yourself much less a child, we havent even talked about utilities like water, and power...we are not talking about shitty jobs like mcdonalds and shit either. in the mall i work at there are over a hundred stores. if you make 10/hr as a sales associate your doing pretty good. you have to be a manager of some sort to start making any money. its just not kids working in these stores. quite a few adults nowadaysthe cycle is vicious and has no mercy... then to have people complain about people on "the system" taking hand outs etc.... dont be ignorant, open your eyes. sure some suck off of it, but MOST of the time assistance is needed for basic survival. DO you know my wife makes $11000 a year and I am disabled and she can't even get Medicade?
Sure the media is going to find someone talking on their obama phone, or wont work and has 10 kids, or is "illegal" but I promise you that is the media leading you down the path of hate and resentment. The media id covering for this community organizer in the white house. And do you mean to tell me that it is a right to have a ****ing cell phone? It is our responsibility to give these away to people who actually don't need them? Are you telling me that Chris Matthews is leading me down a path of hate and resentment when he "has a tingly feeling down his leg every time Obama Speaks"? Come on John you are not that stupid.
its not always so cut and dry.the part of the country that is really going down the tube is the segment of the population that will watch news all day, rant and complain all ****ing day about shit, but wont lift a finger to do anything about it. voting every few years is not getting it done. if you want your country to change it begins in your community, then your town, then your city, county, state... get out and do something rather than sitting on your *** and pointing out all the problems. We have enough people doing that already.The problem is not the president, its the people. Let me remind you, I AM DISABLED, I CANNOT WORK. I am not disabled because I can't get on welfare, I am disabled because I have a medical condition that leaves me in pain EVERYDAY with little or no relief. It was not my choice to have this happen to me but by God, I worked and paid into the social security system and I NEED assistance now. I resent your assertion that I don't do anything about this mess. Every person I can help see what the **** is happening helps my country.
(this was not written directed at Dogma at all and I am certainly not insinuating is ignorant or anything like that. this is a broad statement directed at ALL) Yeah right!
Now if you would like to continue this debate, I am more than happy to provide more information and evidence of our gov's over reach on our liberties.
Lord Burch
06-20-2013, 20:47
[QUOTE=Dogma;185274]i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) Whoopdie do. High school is another ballpark dude. FAR more difficult. At least for others all I had to do was put in a little effort as I got through high school mostly through As on tests...for others it takes far more. Use your sentence AFTER he has finished High School. :P
and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore. REALLY? FACEBOOK? All facebook does is giving whiny *****es a platform to talk and ruin relationships. Their "information" is about as real as a tabloid and about as important as The Statesmen Journal. Don't know what it is? Nuff said. :P
I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. YOu think it is ok that whatever woman has sex, gets pregnant then goes to Planned Parenthood or Dr Gosnell and has an abortion and kills a human child and I have to pay for that? That is progress? Marriage is fundamentally a religious ceremony, not a function of government so we should require religions to allow and recognize 2 men or 2 women who want to get married and I have to concede that it is ok? The benefits that come from the gov for marriage were put there to encourage procreation. No country or society can survive with out procreation of the population.
RELIGION MAKES REASONABLE PEOPLE ACT LIKE IDIOTS! If I offend thee with my post it proves my point and people do. Its not really freedom of religion when you get backlash from religious people about insulting their "GOD" or which god or doctrine. As for your statement doggyma this disgusting and depraved race has over 5 billion people we don't need any more **** trogloditic hellspawn in this world. I don't support killing people off but please stop breeding. :(
Technically we all came from a certain type of inappropriate breeding but it won't be expanded upon for the sake of being PG. (Ow saying PG hurts my head.)
we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for wordBut people in this country are free to believe what the want and be free of persecution as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Is that one that you think should be done away with?
If you people agree to use it to do away with religion sure. Otherwise no.
and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. The constitution allows us to say crap about others and the government w/o fear of reprisal.
Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive.
No people don't change. We all just *****. The only thing that changes is the medium in which we *****. Going from handwritten letters to facebook. We are all just whiny *****es.
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your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point. My point was to try and bring some discussion to this dead forum. But you took it way over what I was hoping for.
Well thanks to me that changed. Aren't I awesome? :D
I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I don't mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. You are right, I agree we should take care of ours first. Just like sending our president and his family on a $60Million VACATION while the White House is closed to tours and people are being furloughed because of sequestration. Or sending them to Hawaii or to the Bahamas for spring break and our troops in Afghanistan have their hot meals cut back.
Guys do I even need to comment here? Moving on.
The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. Ok, the free market has goten us in quite a mess, ok, I'll concede. The free market has in 235 years made the USA the strongest, richest, most compassionate country in the history of the planet. I agree, that is a problem. Your governemet5 has been pumping billions of $$ into the stock market for years now and who has gotten richer? The poor? no, the ones who were already rich. This president by executive order has been pumping $$ into the stock market to the tune of trillions for 4 years now and who has benefited? Has it been any of the hungry children you speak of? Has it been the war veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan with massive injuries? Is is the old lady who can't afford to buy her medications because she has to eat? No, it is the wall street bankers that are making the $$$. Do you realize that there is $9 trillion that is unaccounted for in the fed bank system right now? Where is that money??
My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue. My first job I was making 4.25 an hour and I got married when I was making 6.75. Another thing that you didn't point out in raising the min wage, if it is raised EVERYTHING would go up. The cost of groceries, clothing, gas, cars, everything as the employees' pay is all figured into the price of goods. NOt to mention the people that would lose their jobs because of it.
Guys you seem to be nothing but irritable at this point. We aren't the richest or more prosperous. We've been in a ****load of debt since our country's founding...or do you not remember our debts to France. We are a country born in debt. We are like an adopted child XD.
our government is reactive only and not proactive. Now it is because your progressive president leads from behind. We now have a world that has the muslim brotherhood in control of Egypt, and Libya and now we are sending arms to them in Syria along with Al Qaeda along with the ones they already had. Egypt was a huge ally to the US but now??? Our ambassador was murdered and what did he do? We still don't know the answer to that one because we haven't gotten thru the lies that they told to try and cover it up.
This happens countless times with different situations. This scenario isn't unique.
not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. No, you have it wrong, you go for assistance when you NEED assistance, not just want it. NEED! It shouldn't be easy to get assistance, it should be easier to get a job than to be on public assistance. That way there is incentive to get off and go to work. If you get public money or assistance, you should have to work for it. We don't need a nanny state.
Hate to break it to you guys but I could live my life as a king due to all sorts of gov't programs from mental "disabilities" to my IQ to gov't worrying about me being dangerous to inheritences. However for some F-ed up reason I don't get much access to it because it goes into a locked Swiss Bank account I have no access to. People need to stop whining about these programs. Nothing will change just more people *****in'
Enough input from me whether you like/believe me or my words is of no consequence to me or the world. Nothing will change.
I don't want to violate rules though so feel free to delete this post if necessary.
Then again...I slept most of the time in German class.
I would hate to be in Sweden.
why ?
we have free health care school and such :)
[QUOTE=Dogma;185274]i went to my sons middle school grad ceremony (a whole nother subject why we are over praising our youth without significant accomplishments) Whoopdie do. High school is another ballpark dude. FAR more difficult. At least for others all I had to do was put in a little effort as I got through high school mostly through As on tests...for others it takes far more. Use your sentence AFTER he has finished High School. :P
and we stood and said the pledge of allegiance which included GOD. I was shocked because according to all the shit I read on facebook they dont do that anymore. REALLY? FACEBOOK? All facebook does is giving whiny *****es a platform to talk and ruin relationships. Their "information" is about as real as a tabloid and about as important as The Statesmen Journal. Don't know what it is? Nuff said. :P
I think its American to make concessions for others because I feel like its the right thing to do, but we need to work on preserving our own heritage to some extent as well. YOu think it is ok that whatever woman has sex, gets pregnant then goes to Planned Parenthood or Dr Gosnell and has an abortion and kills a human child and I have to pay for that? That is progress? Marriage is fundamentally a religious ceremony, not a function of government so we should require religions to allow and recognize 2 men or 2 women who want to get married and I have to concede that it is ok? The benefits that come from the gov for marriage were put there to encourage procreation. No country or society can survive with out procreation of the population.
RELIGION MAKES REASONABLE PEOPLE ACT LIKE IDIOTS! If I offend thee with my post it proves my point and people do. Its not really freedom of religion when you get backlash from religious people about insulting their "GOD" or which god or doctrine. As for your statement doggyma this disgusting and depraved race has over 5 billion people we don't need any more **** trogloditic hellspawn in this world. I don't support killing people off but please stop breeding. :(
Technically we all came from a certain type of inappropriate breeding but it won't be expanded upon for the sake of being PG. (Ow saying PG hurts my head.)
we cannot continue to worship a book written thousands of years ago and take it word for wordBut people in this country are free to believe what the want and be free of persecution as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Is that one that you think should be done away with?
If you people agree to use it to do away with religion sure. Otherwise no.
and I also feel that we cannot continue to abide by a document hundreds of years old as well. The constitution allows us to say crap about others and the government w/o fear of reprisal.
Time change, people change, and hopefully the progression is for the positive.
No people don't change. We all just *****. The only thing that changes is the medium in which we *****. Going from handwritten letters to facebook. We are all just whiny *****es.
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your UC example is not a good one IMO because its a private organization and not a public one. but I get your point. My point was to try and bring some discussion to this dead forum. But you took it way over what I was hoping for.
Well thanks to me that changed. Aren't I awesome? :D
I think American needs to worry about Americans FIRST and that goes for with in our country and as well as globally. I cant stand that our government sends aid to starving children in other countries while we have hungry children right here in our back yard. I don't mind helping out but we are in a bad spot right now and we need to constrict our aid and refocus on our country.personally i think we are screwed because many of our simple problems have such massive ramifications if adjustments are made. You are right, I agree we should take care of ours first. Just like sending our president and his family on a $60Million VACATION while the White House is closed to tours and people are being furloughed because of sequestration. Or sending them to Hawaii or to the Bahamas for spring break and our troops in Afghanistan have their hot meals cut back.
Guys do I even need to comment here? Moving on.
The "free market" got us in quite a bit of trouble, and the fact that our "classes" widen in difference as time goes by is a major issue. Ok, the free market has goten us in quite a mess, ok, I'll concede. The free market has in 235 years made the USA the strongest, richest, most compassionate country in the history of the planet. I agree, that is a problem. Your governemet5 has been pumping billions of $$ into the stock market for years now and who has gotten richer? The poor? no, the ones who were already rich. This president by executive order has been pumping $$ into the stock market to the tune of trillions for 4 years now and who has benefited? Has it been any of the hungry children you speak of? Has it been the war veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan with massive injuries? Is is the old lady who can't afford to buy her medications because she has to eat? No, it is the wall street bankers that are making the $$$. Do you realize that there is $9 trillion that is unaccounted for in the fed bank system right now? Where is that money??
My first job, I was paid min wage. it was $4.16/hr if you ad inflation that same $4.16/hr would now have the value of $10.48/hr. The current min wage is $7.25 federally. We need to raise it but how do we raise it without hurting tens of thousands of small businesses? The costs of materials is skyrocketing (as our dollar becomes weaker by the day) and we are now asking consumers to spend more money on everyday items which many cannot afford. Imagine what the raising of the min wage would do and compound the that issue. My first job I was making 4.25 an hour and I got married when I was making 6.75. Another thing that you didn't point out in raising the min wage, if it is raised EVERYTHING would go up. The cost of groceries, clothing, gas, cars, everything as the employees' pay is all figured into the price of goods. NOt to mention the people that would lose their jobs because of it.
Guys you seem to be nothing but irritable at this point. We aren't the richest or more prosperous. We've been in a ****load of debt since our country's founding...or do you not remember our debts to France. We are a country born in debt. We are like an adopted child XD.
our government is reactive only and not proactive. Now it is because your progressive president leads from behind. We now have a world that has the muslim brotherhood in control of Egypt, and Libya and now we are sending arms to them in Syria along with Al Qaeda along with the ones they already had. Egypt was a huge ally to the US but now??? Our ambassador was murdered and what did he do? We still don't know the answer to that one because we haven't gotten thru the lies that they told to try and cover it up.
This happens countless times with different situations. This scenario isn't unique.
not only that but our policies are so far behind the curve of real time events. if you want assistance you have to qualify under standards that are over a decade old. No, you have it wrong, you go for assistance when you NEED assistance, not just want it. NEED! It shouldn't be easy to get assistance, it should be easier to get a job than to be on public assistance. That way there is incentive to get off and go to work. If you get public money or assistance, you should have to work for it. We don't need a nanny state.
Hate to break it to you guys but I could live my life as a king due to all sorts of gov't programs from mental "disabilities" to my IQ to gov't worrying about me being dangerous to inheritences. However for some F-ed up reason I don't get much access to it because it goes into a locked Swiss Bank account I have no access to. People need to stop whining about these programs. Nothing will change just more people *****in'
Enough input from me whether you like/believe me or my words is of no consequence to me or the world. Nothing will change.
I don't want to violate rules though so feel free to delete this post if necessary.
Lord Burch, how would you be breaking the rules by speaking your mind? That is one of the great things about this country, you have to right to say what ever you want (as long as you don't manipulate the obscenity filters)_ here with no fear of reprisals. I can't say I agree with your statement on religions and don't quite get the race comment but you have the right to say it, just as I have the right to disagree.
Lord Burch
06-22-2013, 10:07
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Lord Burch, how would you be breaking the rules by speaking your mind? That is one of the great things about this country, you have to right to say what ever you want (as long as you don't manipulate the obscenity filters)_ here with no fear of reprisals. I can't say I agree with your statement on religions and don't quite get the race comment but you have the right to say it, just as I have the right to disagree.
Well I meant it as in keeping it as PG as possible. I kinda get dark on these subjects. I know its more than just you who don't agree. The US is the biggest religious stronghold ever :P
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