"Unwritten rules"

[Missionary]

This seems to be lost now with alot of people taking the piss. Seems to happen every set to me and I see it happening to others all the time.

Just to be clear,
No more than 2 SA's in 36 hours.
No more than 1 SA in the top3 in 36 hours.
- failed attacks count as one. You might not have got the land but I lost the military.
No destructive spy ops - NONE.

The return attacks will be massively over the top from now on until people seem to get the rules. One is currently pending.

Have a good day.

[jameswheel]

With the limited targets top 1 gets I will be double tapping all except 2nd place. If we get closer to 30 active players I can change

[northbabylon]

I retaliated a triple today too. a few AAs and I was nice with only 1 SA.

[ploppy]

Stupid "rules" like this is one of the reasons there are only 15 active players left. My first hit on you was a defeat, followed by 2 successful SAs. These "rules" made sense when there were 1,000 active players.

I wasn't planning on warring my first set back but I have no problem ruining the month for you. It's immature to send me private messages in-game and then complain on the forum as well.

[zaxZ]

Stupid "rules" like this is one of the reasons there are only 15 active players left. My first hit on you was a defeat, followed by 2 successful SAs. These "rules" made sense when there were 1,000 active players.

I wasn't planning on warring my first set back but I have no problem ruining the month for you. It's immature to send me private messages in-game and then complain on the forum as well.

I agree, these rules are pointless.

[Mr President]

Stupid "rules" like this is one of the reasons there are only 15 active players left. My first hit on you was a defeat, followed by 2 successful SAs. These "rules" made sense when there were 1,000 active players.

I wasn't planning on warring my first set back but I have no problem ruining the month for you. It's immature to send me private messages in-game and then complain on the forum as well.


I agree, these rules are pointless.

Whether the rules are pointless or not, it's good to see some friction in the forums again :) I remember when little conflicts like this turned the game into a global war. :)

I personally don't care if we have the unwritten rules or not. In fact, I think I will make it a "hard coded" rule that my state can't be grabbed for land lol (jk)

[ploppy]

And Missionary, I know AAs won?t kill your state - that?s not my objective. I?m going to make the game unplayable for you the rest of the month or until you apologize. Every turn I take will be a war or spy attack on you. Plenty of time left in the month for a restart that can ruin the end of the set for you as well.

PS I?m quarantined working from home so plenty of time to keep this up.

[northbabylon]

Whether the rules are pointless or not, it's good to see some friction in the forums again :) I remember when little conflicts like this turned the game into a global war. :)

I personally don't care if we have the unwritten rules or not. In fact, I think I will make it a "hard coded" rule that my state can't be grabbed for land lol (jk)

forum trash talk would too. Pres you're a poop head.

*declares war*

[Mr President]

And Missionary, I know AAs won?t kill your state - that?s not my objective. I?m going to make the game unplayable for you the rest of the month or until you apologize. Every turn I take will be a war or spy attack on you. Plenty of time left in the month for a restart that can ruin the end of the set for you as well.

PS I?m quarantined working from home so plenty of time to keep this up.

Sounds like war drums in the far distance beating.... Leader to Leader discussions are taking place as we speak trying to form alliances.


forum trash talk would too. Pres you're a poop head.

*declares war*

Sticks and stones may break my bones but my jets will level your ***!

[northbabylon]

Sounds like war drums in the far distance beating.... Leader to Leader discussions are taking place as we speak trying to form alliances.



Sticks and stones may break my bones but my jets will level your ***!

Thanks for the 4500 land Grandpa

[Missionary]

Don't believe I was complaining here, just stating my current attack policy. Maybe if you read the message and replied I wouldn't have attacked you haha.

James has won the set, not much point in playing for 1st runner up out of 15 people. You haven't ruined my set, you've made it worth playing, so I thank you.

And just so you know, 3 attacks that include a failed attack is worse than 3 successful attacks. I still lost 3-4mill infantry each attack, including the defeat. So I lost 3-4mill infantry and gained no gb.

3 attacks at the same time also, more often than not, results in knowone attacking me because I'm a poor grab. So in 36 hours I will be back to 0gb for you to triple me again. I think not.

[northbabylon]

just fyi, I am okay with you tripling me if you spread the attacks out by 10 hours each lol

[ploppy]

You raise an interesting point and maybe it's just been the 10 years since I last played but is there always just 1 Indy that breaks away by the 5th day and then it becomes pointless to play for top NW?

[Missionary]

An indy hasn't won since viali in spetember. Its been all casher except 1 resourcer set. Think it takes abit more skill to win casher if your chasing/being chased by a good indy. Like this set margus might have caught James if he was more active.

[Xavior]

And Missionary, I know AAs won?t kill your state - that?s not my objective. I?m going to make the game unplayable for you the rest of the month or until you apologize. Every turn I take will be a war or spy attack on you. Plenty of time left in the month for a restart that can ruin the end of the set for you as well.

PS I?m quarantined working from home so plenty of time to keep this up.

I fully support your endeavor :)

[letterkenny]

There's rules?

[Missionary]

Not gone to well for him so far xav. He's lost over 20k land haha.

[ploppy]

Just making my next triple land grab on you even more juicy :)

[Missionary]

You may have to wait. Especially as you keep grabbing others aye. So much for all your turns only being spent on attacking me haha.

[ploppy]

It does become less fun knowing that neither of us will ever have enough turns to actually finish each other off. War attacks need to do 2x the damage they do currently for 1v1 wars to result in anyone dying.

[Mr President]

You raise an interesting point and maybe it's just been the 10 years since I last played but is there always just 1 Indy that breaks away by the 5th day and then it becomes pointless to play for top NW?

This is something that has always bothered me. In a perfect world where nothing bad happens and you can just net the set away, then yes, I guess it's true that someone could just steal the set. And nowadays, I guess this happens a lot more. I remember back in the day when a nation had the top state, those leaders needed to do a lot of diplomacy to help protect this state. They needed to make deals and alliances and pacts in order to help keep that state safe. I never agreed with someone ruining someone else's state for "just cause" but at the same time, I don't think a state should be able to win a round "just cause". If a Nation works hard to help keep the top state safe and interacts with other leaders AND the top state works hard and makes the right choices, then yes, he or she deserves to win the set and I applaud them. Right now, no deals are made. Leaders are not interacting and it's the "norm" to just say, well it's just a given that they are going to win because they broke away after day 5 or 6 or 7 or whatever day and I think that is sad. We are missing a whole element that made this game great back in the day. Everyone wants me to hard code something to make it easier or harder but yet, nobody wants to put forth an effort to help bring, in what I consider, the best element of the game and that is diplomacy. The fact that the same state wins set after set doesn't mean they are good, it means people are lazy. We have all gotten lazy and maybe that is because we are older and don't want to stay up all hours of the night warring and maybe its because membership is low. Maybe membership is low because the game is boring without all of the elements being played. Who knows but we really should be doing more to make the game a little more exciting.



It does become less fun knowing that neither of us will ever have enough turns to actually finish each other off. War attacks need to do 2x the damage they do currently for 1v1 wars to result in anyone dying.

Agreed. It's basically a back and forth of attacking with no real outcome. This is where diplomacy comes in. Reach out to other states for help. Make deals and alliances. If you help me today, I'll help you tomorrow type of thing. Many wars were averted back in the day because we would know that if we attacked Nation A then Nation B would help them and attack us. We needed to prepare for that and have Nation C jump Nation B. All these types of planning no longer happen. And maybe it's gone forever (I really hope not) and maybe we should just remove all war attacks and make it a netting only game. :(

[Missionary]

Still the main problem with warring is restarting. The set is a little slow for the first week before things start moving along. Having to restart again after being killed means 2 slow weeks out of 4. Restarts can't hide anymore and are often repeatedly killed. (not long ago I killed Z 11 times in 1 set, with a little help).

Make restarting easier:
1. Stay in protection for say 1k turns if killed between day 10 and day 15. 1.5k if day 16 to 20 etc etc. This means you can potentially get back in the fight. But your restart starts with 1k turns in hand to use all at once or how ever you like.
2. Maintain a certain amount of your dead states networth for a restart.
3. Possibly the death is recorded but then the stats is essentially locked for 24 hours before returning and not being able to attack for a few days.

Also I like the idea that 1 person could kill another person, only if that other person didn't have to wait a week and hope they didn't die.

[ilbertkalaste]

Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... the A(ndy)-Team.

[zaxZ]

Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... the A(ndy)-Team.

:D

[northbabylon]

I knew I was cool, but to have an entire team named after me cool?

[Divine Intervention]

And Missionary, I know AAs won?t kill your state - that?s not my objective. I?m going to make the game unplayable for you the rest of the month or until you apologize. Every turn I take will be a war or spy attack on you. Plenty of time left in the month for a restart that can ruin the end of the set for you as well.

PS I?m quarantined working from home so plenty of time to keep this up.

i recommend GAs. they are the most devastating attack as t hey destroy both army and buildings (ie CS!) which makes it a pain to rebuild. if you know someone is going to stonewall youd much rather spend 300 turns GAing than ARing for example because theres plenty of low army bots to grab. but rebuilding 200 CS so you can build land? ouch.

[ploppy]

True on the GAs vs ARs but after 2.5 days of us each trading 100 turn hits on each other I'm pretty bored of it either way. I thought warring be more fun than repeatedly Attack/Build/Cash with every set of turns to compete for 2nd place. I don't want to do this for the next 15 days so I'm probably done for the set/maybe the game if I'm not excited enough to come back in 2 weeks.

[Missionary]

And Missionary, I know AAs won?t kill your state - that?s not my objective. I?m going to make the game unplayable for you the rest of the month or until you apologize. Every turn I take will be a war or spy attack on you. Plenty of time left in the month for a restart that can ruin the end of the set for you as well.

PS I?m quarantined working from home so plenty of time to keep this up.

2 days in, where did this guy go? Rather disappointed that all this attitude was a lie.

[ploppy]

A little hyperbole ;). I thought it would be fun to create a spark and maybe a little rivalry but alas hitting each other back and forth every 12 hours is not actually fun - hence why I sold all my ships. Thought I might just stock 2 weeks and then try to rain hell down on James but 2 weeks of cash-and-bank also seems very not-fun.

[Missionary]

Two weeks still enough time to get a decent net done. Gives you time to get back in the swing of things before having a crack at winning next set.

[Xavior]

Ploppy did you ever play in a tech tag with me and Jizzmasta?

[ploppy]

Never played tech. Mainly played Indy or Casher with Calvin, Marshal, Chris the old Obsidian crew many moons ago