Hey Barack!?

[Dogma]

We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The key word being the pursuit, if you don't pursue it, you don't get it. That doesn't mean it should be handed to you.

[MAGGIO]

we have no rights. we are animals in nature. its just like the wild kingdom on a larger scale. Its kill or be killed, dog eat dog, the meaening of life is reproduction in its most primortal form. these are not my opinions these are facts.

[-Z-]

We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The key word being the pursuit, if you don't pursue it, you don't get it. That doesn't mean it should be handed to you.

hm... thats an odd statement.

Personally my family tried to hand me happiness.

When I was born they didnt neglect me, then didnt kill me, they didnt leave me to fend for myself.

I would want to try to hand everyone happiness.

I suppose some people are different.

Some people feel its just to sit on a pile of food and watch other people starve.

Z

[-Z-]

we have no rights. we are animals in nature. its just like the wild kingdom on a larger scale. Its kill or be killed, dog eat dog, the meaening of life is reproduction in its most primortal form. these are not my opinions these are facts.

we are a part of the natural world, and all things in the natural world are meant to thrive if they can optimize the situation.

I believe the goal is not only to reproduce, but also to evolve and adapt.

So the word "rights" or right, is not really applicable.

I would say that all people are meant to share freely, and MEANT to live as a healthy equal group of beings.

I know many disagree.

but hey did we ever get or what?

How about Barack and his broken promises?

Z

[MAGGIO]

hey this is just a better topic.

Let me put it to you like this. If your GF and you were on an island, and my wife and I were on the same island, and you had one fish, and that was the ONLY food there was to have in order to survive, and all other means of working together to achieve something better like more food etc...

I WOULD KILL YOU AND YOUR GF for my wife and I to survive. What I am saying is that when all options are gone, and we are extremely limited and reason and cooperation were no longer viable. One of us would die. I would do everything in my power to survive.

I think there are many that would not exhast all possible options as you and I most likely would, but when it came down to it, and we were optionless, its about who is going to live another day.

I would not try to get more than you as long as we could both be satisfied, but if there was not enough for both, then I would make a move to ensure my survival.

[-Z-]

hey this is just a better topic.

Let me put it to you like this. If your GF and you were on an island, and my wife and I were on the same island, and you had one fish, and that was the ONLY food there was to have in order to survive, and all other means of working together to achieve something better like more food etc...

I WOULD KILL YOU AND YOUR GF for my wife and I to survive. What I am saying is that when all options are gone, and we are extremely limited and reason and cooperation were no longer viable. One of us would die. I would do everything in my power to survive.

I think there are many that would not exhast all possible options as you and I most likely would, but when it came down to it, and we were optionless, its about who is going to live another day.

I would not try to get more than you as long as we could both be satisfied, but if there was not enough for both, then I would make a move to ensure my survival.

But in our civilization there is always an option.

Maybe if you lived in Kenya or on this hypothetical Island, but we do not...


In the situation u described....

I am not sure I would kill you.

what if we split the fish in two parts, and we each lived an xtra 2 days, instead of you living an extra 4 days on your own?

Personally I think that it is only rational to share, as you are in a better situation with more people, due to there beign more imagination, creativity, and more possibilities.

U'd kill me, eat the fish, then die a week later, alone, knowing that the last thing your wife saw you do was murder another couple for a piece of fish?

... really?

Z

[MAGGIO]

I said iwould share until there was none left to share. Its just a hypothedical

[boostah]

But in our civilization there is always an option.

Maybe if you lived in Kenya or on this hypothetical Island, but we do not...


In the situation u described....

I am not sure I would kill you.

what if we split the fish in two parts, and we each lived an xtra 2 days, instead of you living an extra 4 days on your own?

Personally I think that it is only rational to share, as you are in a better situation with more people, due to there beign more imagination, creativity, and more possibilities.

U'd kill me, eat the fish, then die a week later, alone, knowing that the last thing your wife saw you do was murder another couple for a piece of fish?

... really?

Z

No offense, but what i'm reading is just a cry for communism, and we all know how good that works :s. Sharing doesn't work in real life, live with it.

In case of for example cancer and stuff look at europe (i live in belgium, the most socialist country in europe, with its benefits and disadvantages). If here someone gets cancer they hardly have to pay anything since its recognized (like almost all diseases) as an official disease. Now the problem with this is that you Z (just as an example) will give about 50% to the state (and no there isn't a choice in this). Is that so much better? Trying to improve your social status here is harder then in the US, since the state steals everything.

Another thing about this social capitalism is that the company pays about 3 times as much as what the employer can use (net, after the state already steals alot from his pay check). This makes that wealthy people stay wealthy and poor stay poor. Ok if you get unemployed you get payd by the goverment (this fee is about 1050 euro, living alone no wife or children, then it even gets bigger), knowing this fee is 1050/month, knowing that going to work each day of that month for a job that doesn't require a degree will make you about 1200euro/month. Would you even bother to go to work? and guess what the people that do go to work trying to get it better for themselves, have to pay for some lazy *** people.

Just to show you how the opposite side is from the us capitalism.

[Soviet Russia]

And wheres my 1bil