US passes Health care reform Bill

[Will]

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

Is there a date on that? he was probably referring to the Soviet Union rather than western style socialism. Churchill was a fanatical anti-communist.

[ranger2112]

Like I said, the NHS isn't perfect. but then again waiting times aren't everything either. I'd rather wait a year for surgery, and not be massively in debt at the end of it, than get it done straight away and be bankrupt. Assuming it wasn't life threatening but that's another matter.

The problem with "not wanting socialism forced on you" is that it can't work unless everyone gets involved. As Marx said "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Not everyone can look out for themselves, so either they are helped by the government or they are left to rot. Any country which won't look after it's most vulnerable really can't be called civilised.

helping your fellow man is paramount to most citizens of the nation. It is helping the moochers and slackers that bothers me, however, that is another conversation.

My biggest issue is my govt telling me I HAVE TO get this insurance or be fined(among other issues with the 2k plus bill)

If I do not want insurance, that is my right as a citizen of this Republic. Our politicians have forgotten this. There are parts of this bill I like and think would benefit our country....regulation of frivolis law suits, thus decreasing a physicians financial obligations(((personally, u screw up bad enough, u just do not get the chance to do it again, either loss of license or imprisonment or both)))))

regulation of INSURANCE COMPANIES and allowing interstate commerce would solve most of our issues. allow them to sell in all 50 states and capitalism at its best would ensure cheaper rates and better customer interaction. a little regulation of pharmacutical companies would not hurt either.

again, i am not against fixing the problems, however, a sweeping "government controlled" system with forced participation bugs and scares the hell out of me. has anyone seen our federal govt handle anything well and withing the agreed upon cost parameters? Do you really want these "pork focused, criminals in charge of this? do you really want to give up this much of your freedom? people screamed about GW and his administration listening in on a few phone convos in order to track terrorism and now we give them power over 1/6th of our economy with the final say in who is a priority in getting medical help and who is a@@ out? give them the ability to go straight into our checking and savings and take what THEY deem is necessary for our "universal health care"

be frightened Americans, be very frightened. our way of life is ending rapidly

[ranger2112]

Will

did u miss me? LMAO

[Will]

helping your fellow man is paramount to most citizens of the nation. It is helping the moochers and slackers that bothers me, however, that is another conversation.

My biggest issue is my govt telling me I HAVE TO get this insurance or be fined(among other issues with the 2k plus bill)

If I do not want insurance, that is my right as a citizen of this Republic. Our politicians have forgotten this. There are parts of this bill I like and think would benefit our country....regulation of frivolis law suits, thus decreasing a physicians financial obligations(((personally, u screw up bad enough, u just do not get the chance to do it again, either loss of license or imprisonment or both)))))

regulation of INSURANCE COMPANIES and allowing interstate commerce would solve most of our issues. allow them to sell in all 50 states and capitalism at its best would ensure cheaper rates and better customer interaction. a little regulation of pharmacutical companies would not hurt either.

again, i am not against fixing the problems, however, a sweeping "government controlled" system with forced participation bugs and scares the hell out of me. has anyone seen our federal govt handle anything well and withing the agreed upon cost parameters? Do you really want these "pork focused, criminals in charge of this? do you really want to give up this much of your freedom? people screamed about GW and his administration listening in on a few phone convos in order to track terrorism and now we give them power over 1/6th of our economy with the final say in who is a priority in getting medical help and who is a@@ out? give them the ability to go straight into our checking and savings and take what THEY deem is necessary for our "universal health care"

be frightened Americans, be very frightened. our way of life is ending rapidly

What about those that want insurance (or reasonable healthcare) but can't afford it?

Not being an American, I can't comment on the rest, but some would argue the American "way of life" ended in 1861, and not because of the Confederacy.

[Will]

Will

did u miss me? LMAO

hehe, I had Z to keep me busy

[ranger2112]

we currently have "charity hospitals" in place. i have used these in my leaner financial days and got excellent care.

[Will]

we currently have "charity hospitals" in place. i have used these in my leaner financial days and got excellent care.

I can't imagine there are all that many of these, certainly not enough to cover everyone that needs them.

[ranger2112]

hehe, I had Z to keep me busy

sweet

[ranger2112]

I can't imagine there are all that many of these, certainly not enough to cover everyone that needs them.

agreed, however, as stated earlier even the countries with UHC have issues with helping everyone who needs them. given a choice of UHC and waiting with the inept govt running the show or private health care and better quality of care with heavy pocket padding, i take the latter

[ranger2112]

if you want a clue how our govt would fare running the health care system, ask any veteran who has gone to a VA hospital. a very grim picture i can assure you