This is why the only "innocents" in a democracy are non-taxpayers and/or those who vote for parties that are not commited to neo-imperialism.Originally Posted by -Z-
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This is why the only "innocents" in a democracy are non-taxpayers and/or those who vote for parties that are not commited to neo-imperialism.
Captain
Evil... or simply misinformed, or "brainwashed".But if you were for the war, but against the poor and infirm getting heath care what does that make you?
Some people actually believe that war (murder, theft, destruction and chaos) is a good thing.
Even tho the words I used in brackets to describe war are actually quite accurate, these types of people that believe in war will be infuriated to read those words, because they have been taught that war is essentially a good thing.
They have been misguided... perhaps their family has made a living in the military industry, or some of their friends have gone to war.
These people are not necessarily "Evil". They believe that war is a good thing, as silly as it may sound. Perhaps they have been convinced by propaganda that war saves the USA way of life, or citizens Lives.
As our cultures combine and we grow as a society views change and mental revolutions take place.
The easy thing to say is "Republicans are Evil" and I have been saying it for years.
But the former explanation is more sensible, and less destructive, hence essentially more constructive in the end.
Z
[WLF] = the greatest nation ever to exisit, in any game, in any universe, of all time, period.
First Lieutenant
because the government doesnt have any money. IT IS OUR OWN MONEY. that is the part that makes me laugh my *** off. everyone has their hand out and dont realize it is coming from someone else pocket. this system works as long as someone is able to be taxed.
as to Dogma's insurance, it is up to us as a society to assist the less fortunate. it is not up to us to sit around and allow the government to foot the bill. This bill is not about health care for everyone, it is about control, PERIOD.
Our health system is fine. we do need INSURANCE regulation and stop the crazy rates, but not govt run.
every country that has gone to socialist health care is in deep mess. they have begun to require payments for certain things they didnt before because they are broke.
leaders and dignitaries of other countries come to the USA for major procedures because our system encourages innovation, therefore getting the best health care period.
keep your socialism, i will fight for my Republic.
There is no greater sin than apathy
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Rely on "society" to sort out healthcare/welfare and you might as well round up the poor into camps. The NHS is far from perfect but US style healthcare is obscene.
First Lieutenant
our "obscene" health care has made bigger strides and breakthroughs than any other country. The pharmacutical companies, however, need a good shakedown. there issue is there is more money in treatment as opposed to a cure. i do agree that situation needs to be worked through. i do not and will not be FORCED by my govt to purchase health insurance they will not be forced to participate in.
There is no greater sin than apathy
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I don't doubt that US hospitals have the best treatment available. The problem is that anyone without insurance is screwed when it comes to healthcare, and if the stories I've heard are true, even people with insurance get screwed by the companies. Forcing people to buy insurance would be ok IF the insurance firms were similarly forced to pay out when someone makes a claim (except for cosmetic stuff). My solution would be the forced nationalisation of every insurance firm by the government, resulting in a single, not-for-profit program for the entire country. I would still make people pay for plastic surgery apart from extreme cases like disfigurement or major burns, abortion and other non-essential treatment.
Captain
Is this man trying to be sarcastic and funny? LOL because he is very much... I hope he is not serious... I wonder if he has ever been to the USA... and has he ever heard of places of Canada, UK, or Finland?
I suggest this man goes to school, before he ends up perma-ignorant like so many americans are.
First Lieutenant
I am fairly well read and have look at the issue from both sides. I agree our system is in need of repair, however, adopting a system that is failing in other countries does not strike me as smart.
Before we buy into single-payer health care systems like Canada’s and the United Kingdom’s, we might want to do a bit of research. The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute annually publishes “Waiting Your Turn.” Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person’s referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The shortest waiting time was for oncology (4.9 weeks). The longest waiting time was for orthopedic surgery (40.3 weeks), followed by plastic surgery (35.4 weeks) and neurosurgery (31.7 weeks).
As reported in the June 28 National Center for Policy Analysis’ “Daily Policy Digest,” Britain’s Department of Health recently acknowledged that one in eight patients waits more than a year for surgery. France’s failed health care system resulted in the deaths of 13,000 people, mostly of dehydration, during the heat spell of 2003. Hospitals stopped answering the phones, and ambulance attendants told people to fend for themselves.
I don’t think most Americans would like more socialized medicine in our country. By the way, I have absolutely no problem with people wanting socialism. My problem is when they want to drag me into it.
There is no greater sin than apathy
First Lieutenant
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
There is no greater sin than apathy
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Like I said, the NHS isn't perfect. but then again waiting times aren't everything either. I'd rather wait a year for surgery, and not be massively in debt at the end of it, than get it done straight away and be bankrupt. Assuming it wasn't life threatening but that's another matter.
The problem with "not wanting socialism forced on you" is that it can't work unless everyone gets involved. As Marx said "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Not everyone can look out for themselves, so either they are helped by the government or they are left to rot. Any country which won't look after it's most vulnerable really can't be called civilised.
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