you know when i take member counts to see who has the advantage in a war i take it from when war was declared wich was 8 on tng 9 in FB so your right i ment to say 17 but even then we have a 3 man advantage and if u take out our member with 31k net worth last logged in on the 8th then its 16-14 a two man differance and then you could take out our British member who cant be on for our USA late strike its 15-14 and no this set the most members tng had was 9 ik this for a fact its my nation..... im not entirely incompetent and having a vet means the vet will make fewer mistakes like doing a SA instead of a AR or ARing the worng state by accident having vets in a war is a great advantage you ever hear the saying mind over matter????