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I am not starting with the assumption that the bible is correct. I have arrived at the belief that the bible is correct. You must start at a neutral stance, either this book is accurate history or it is not. Max has started at he belief that it is false. Or at least refuses to reveal the evidence/train of thought he used to get from a neutral stance to a belief it was not accurate history.
I am not brainwashed. A brainwashed person has no reasons - I have reasons for what I believe, and I have provided some them - and upon asking for evidence or refutation I get - "It's a book!" "The church is all about control" "It's fake - lies". I get no answers to the questions I ask. I will pose this one last time, as clear as I can make it.
The question we are dealing with is this: is the bible (specifically the New Testament) historical? My argument is this:
1) The authors claimed to be writing history
Originally Posted by Luke 12) The authors were tortured/persecuted/killed for their beliefs without ever once recanting or admitting that they were lying - even though in doing so they would have been let go.Originally Posted by John 20
3) Therefore it is rational to believe that the authors thought they were telling the truth. So they were either telling accurate history or they were delusional.
It would take a very committed group of con artists to pull off the scam that happened in early Christianity if it was false. You would have to find good motivations for doing it - not only just making the story up - but continuing in the lies even after they stood to gain nothing, only death.
4) If the authors were delusional then it would have been easily dismissed by the general public - for the events that they were claiming to have happened were not done in secret.
The things that they authors claimed to have happened were done in large groups, in public places. These were not conversations in hidden rooms, with a mysterious figure that the authors were claiming to have happened.
5) There is no indication that the general public did dismiss the authors accounts of history as false - in fact - many,many believed their accounts.
6) Therefore it is rational to believe that the authors were writing accurate history.
This is my argument for believing that the New Testament is accurate recorded history.
you do understand that the word belief means you do not know for sure. you can not tell me 100% that the bible is true, your conclusions are assumptions. that don't mean ****
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thats what I said. he just doesn`t get it.
1)what authors say doesn`t matter. they all lie
2)payback?
3)delusional
4)early history. the common people accepted anything that makes them even with the Greats
5)up
6)irrational statement
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it is u you have no real evidence
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You have killed Tequilla in a beer bottle(#10)
You have killed i see your bones(#321)
You have killed NXL Media(#332)
You have killed King Ali(#272)
You have killed Best Worrior hunts Worst Boys(#344)
50k+ land destroyed in LD and AR's
[05:35] я ằ Ғ (F) ●◦я&Ŀ◦● I can barely count to 12, but I can multiply 45: does food defends me against AAs?
[05:35] я ằ Ғ (F) ●◦я&Ŀ◦● I can barely count to 12, but I can multiply 45: cuz if not...
Jasonlfunk you lost the moment you opened this thread and could not state your reasons or beliefs and back them with any kind of evidence
The Poet of your Slaughter
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He asked the opposing side to present their evidence.
Hence the thread title.
Originally Posted by Raven