**Important Statement**

[kenshin44]

This post here is a formal announcement to the community and will include my personal apology in the post.

First i would like to post that the FA of LoR due to Devil's retiring is between Kanny and Me and Pron. P.S.( Devil im gonna bring you back soon again)

Now stating the post above, in most your minds the statement somewhere along the lines of Ali that **** head cheater, or something of Kanman the guy who broke the nap and his word, and Pron well we like him, will arise.

Also it is apparent to me through what devil said, with this game being less fun and more of a job is now true in my eyes too. With so much warring we did I think we did in fact hurt the community, thus we receive the attitude we do.

The only aspect that i want to emphasis on in this post is that guys i know we are hated i am hated, but this game is going no where as it stands with the wars we started and the wars that continue to this day.

I have hurt this community and i would assume that the community wants me to leave as well, but please read my whole post.

I have cheated in this game gave my account to another friend to run, he used proxies and i was banned.

I just honestly think we really need to work out on making this community bigger. I want changes to occur to bring back players and actually help in the effort, instead of driving players off through the wars.

Those of you that want to continue the grudges and wars please do go right ahead but those of you that want the community to grow and to help revise the way this game is please post here.

I know most of you like dogma, tnova, max, anton, dboz, hoe, Prob think all this is BS, but look at the community basis and tell me if its not worth the try to try and make a move for change?

IF the community helps out in change i think we as in the nation LoR can help too. But we need to unite this means the end of the grudges and ****, I am willing to sacrifice my state as a token to this dedication and to the mistakes i have done.

I will also step up my activity as much as i can to help clean LoR up and the multieing acts that happen in it. I think we need to work together though. Small things like not shooting this post down, or just throwing it away as another LoR thrash statement will help this movement.

To those of you that bash this statement that its another lie another bs statement i want to ask you guys something. What will you gain from another grudge war? What will you gain from not trying? What will this game gain? All that will happen is a total war like usual, which btw LoR does indeed love , but it doesn't help the community. I want to see massive build up in the game server help Prez out in an increased amount of members. I want this game to become FUN AGAIN!!!!! ATM no matter what you guys say it is dieing and we have been in many ways a reason for it, but it too is the reason why im posting it so we can be the ones to try and start the movement to reconstruction which i doubt will succeed as most of you upon this post will just read and bash it.

Saying you have already given LoR so many tries and they dont' change their ways. But at the point we are in atm IF you don't give LoR the chance to move around and try to do some good things this game will die or at very least never grow.

Also i know its prob. been a torture for you guys to read this post, prob some of you thinking **** ali in his pink name has no room to speak and he just posted all this **** and expects us to listen.

I don't expect anyone to make an initiative to try this change, cause we all have our egos and don't trust each other but its about the game now and not individuals. The game needs members, and for those of you that think LoR leaving will increase members its not true, because no matter the nuisance we have been, we have been the ones that keep the posts and views in the forums at peek highs and are the ones that are in the mix of things, but we can try and work as a unit as one basis and forget about hating each other for now, and help the game rise.

SORRY FOR LONG POST

IF YOU GUYS SUPPORT ANYTHING I SAID OR BELIEVE ANYTHING IN IT OR WANT TO TRY SOMETHING TO HELP THIS GAME OUT PLEASE POST.

[-Chris-]

Apology accepted, and you accepted.

Call me naive but I support Ali's attempt to change himself.

[Crimson Shadow]

Apology accepted, and you accepted.

Call me naive but I support Ali's attempt to change himself.

My sediments exactly.

Hopefully now LoR can turn a new leaf and return to its old glory days.

[runbch]

Ali, I trust you like a baby bear trusts its mama bear.

[::LD::GrimReapr]

OK, Here is my opinion **** you and the horse you rode in on!!!!
Nah im just kidding i have no problem with anyone in LOR with the exception of having known cheaters in the nation. IMO cheating takes the fun out of the game. I am a newbie when it comes to NW i wasnt around for WOW and this is only my 4th set and as far as the happenings and dealings of what happened and what went on i only know what affected me and that was last set.I have no personal grudge against anyone in this game except Foxhound i would like to return the favor of killing you but it wont happen cause im not that kind of person.I agree with your post and hope you do work everything out within LOR i have been trying to recruit new members into this game as my brother Rass got me hooked im sure my wife will be divorcing me soon thanks bro.If i can do anything to help you guys out i will be more than happy to.
Good luck and lets get this game a Rollin Rollin Rollin.

[z75]

Ali you have my support in anything you wanna do for good, turn bad and i'll r@pe you.

I think its worth giving him the chance, he wrote a very very large post he took my time reading it, and he convinced me. There's nothing we can lose.


Support from 6th Inferno.

[Mr President]

Nice post Ali. I truly hope you mean every word of it and that you follow through with it.

One thing i would like to make very clear is, this game will go on no matter what. Even if that means i have to rebuild it from the ground back up, it will go on. It's great having all the old players back, but i think we have as many of them back as we are going to get. So this is why i have been doing things to go out and get more members. Won't happen overnight, but we will gain new ones.

I was doing some thinking the other day and was trying to figure out where this game really changed. And i think one main thing that has changed is, we all take things pretty personal now. When Svenne ran things in the early days, there were friends, but for the most part people warred to get what they wanted and then didn't ever feel like they betrayed someone. Right now, if USA wars someone, chances are pretty good we have ticked off friends and they take it personal. Our community is tight and strong, but with that it's also a double edged sword. Cause now anytime something happens we take it personally and we don't look at it as "eh it's just a game".

Another area is the politics of this game. Before there use to be alliances, but that's about it. Nations didn't use diplomacy 1/4 as much as they do now. With diplomacy comes deals and agreements and bonds and ties and all of this together can only spell disaster at some point. And i think we are at that point. And i feel i have to take a lot of that blame......

When i first came to WoW, there was little diplomacy and i was a huge driving force to making it happen. And now, thats all this game is about.. DIPLOMACY!

It is a great aspect of the game that i love the most, but i also think to much of it hurts the game too. People want to get on and have fun and most of the time warring is what is fun. I mean really, who doesn't love doing a FS and taking out 3/4 of the enemies nation

So between the tight friendships and forced diplomacy, it always feels like our hands are tied, which in return makes the game not as fun..

let me get back on topic, LoR has always been known for shady tactics. People say LoR drives members away. I don't think it's all LoR. We all have made some bad deals and made mistakes. So if LoR wants to stand up and help be a driving force for change in the game, then i'm all ears and i look forward to it.

In my honest opinion, i think we should take the rest of this set and just have a huge blowout. Anyone who has grudges, get your revenge this set and then next set we all just start fresh. Asking ppl to just drop it all without being able to get some revenge will never work. So that is why i think we dedicate this set and call it a "grudge" set and get it all off our chests..

Our game is young. We are only 5 months old. Nobody can say this game is going to die. It's way to early for that. Regular members will fade away and new ones will come in. It's how it works. And we will have hundreds of players playing this game.. Mark my words.. May not be today, may not be tomorrow but it will happen!

[L P]

If everyone is on the same side how can we be enemies?

[kenshin44]

Nice post Ali. I truly hope you mean every word of it and that you follow through with it.

One thing i would like to make very clear is, this game will go on no matter what. Even if that means i have to rebuild it from the ground back up, it will go on. It's great having all the old players back, but i think we have as many of them back as we are going to get. So this is why i have been doing things to go out and get more members. Won't happen overnight, but we will gain new ones.

I was doing some thinking the other day and was trying to figure out where this game really changed. And i think one main thing that has changed is, we all take things pretty personal now. When Svenne ran things in the early days, there were friends, but for the most part people warred to get what they wanted and then didn't ever feel like they betrayed someone. Right now, if USA wars someone, chances are pretty good we have ticked off friends and they take it personal. Our community is tight and strong, but with that it's also a double edged sword. Cause now anytime something happens we take it personally and we don't look at it as "eh it's just a game".

Another area is the politics of this game. Before there use to be alliances, but that's about it. Nations didn't use diplomacy 1/4 as much as they do now. With diplomacy comes deals and agreements and bonds and ties and all of this together can only spell disaster at some point. And i think we are at that point. And i feel i have to take a lot of that blame......

When i first came to WoW, there was little diplomacy and i was a huge driving force to making it happen. And now, thats all this game is about.. DIPLOMACY!

It is a great aspect of the game that i love the most, but i also think to much of it hurts the game too. People want to get on and have fun and most of the time warring is what is fun. I mean really, who doesn't love doing a FS and taking out 3/4 of the enemies nation

So between the tight friendships and forced diplomacy, it always feels like our hands are tied, which in return makes the game not as fun..

let me get back on topic, LoR has always been known for shady tactics. People say LoR drives members away. I don't think it's all LoR. We all have made some bad deals and made mistakes. So if LoR wants to stand up and help be a driving force for change in the game, then i'm all ears and i look forward to it.

In my honest opinion, i think we should take the rest of this set and just have a huge blowout. Anyone who has grudges, get your revenge this set and then next set we all just start fresh. Asking ppl to just drop it all without being able to get some revenge will never work. So that is why i think we dedicate this set and call it a "grudge" set and get it all off our chests..

Our game is young. We are only 5 months old. Nobody can say this game is going to die. It's way to early for that. Regular members will fade away and new ones will come in. It's how it works. And we will have hundreds of players playing this game.. Mark my words.. May not be today, may not be tomorrow but it will happen!

Also yeah i am fine i understand some grudges are hard to drop just like that if this set is to be grudge war set or anything like that let it be the last then lets start building back up.

Also About me cheating i have cheated and i will be taking a step lower in the leadership roll and will have Kanman do as much as he can/wants but he doesn't like to deal to often in FA but i still run everything by him as to what is to be done and not and to make sure he is good with it.

This post here was done by me cause i felt i had to say something as a good friend of mine Devil left and it made me ponder that nothing new is happening in this game.

Also its not the matter of fact of being everyone one side its a matter of ending these long multiple sets of war and driving players away so we can bring in some players once we get good count of members nations stabilized then we can begin to have a platform on which wars can happen and they can end with no grudge and member count not affected.

As it is now wars just become world wars as we are so tight like prez said and that just hurts the game as we are at each others throats rather than concentrating on growing the community.

I want to see how it use to be. Average nation size was 30-35 and small nations were considered 15-20... large nations 50-60... We use to have all those elements which made this game diverse. Now its just 15-20 being considered Large and everything below that small their is no Middle class room and that brings the clustering of alliances to get "gang bangs" and we keep the cycle alive through warring because we got hit then you got hit and stuff like that, its become a routine and you know what we have been a huge reason for that. We started the cycle and it continues to go around in a circle of hatred, members of a nation that participated in that war hold grudges and the leaders have to react to it cause of the constraints on members we hold.

We need to come to the conclusion as a whole and im willing to pay for my mishaps as a leader, and my shadiness. But Mark my words nothing i have done was meant to hurt the community but it's in my eyes now that somethings we did actually did hurt or at least did not promote growth of the game.

AGAIN sorry for the long post i think i am becoming prez, just not as cool

[kingmyth]

Also yeah i am fine i understand some grudges are hard to drop just like that if this set is to be grudge war set or anything like that let it be the last then lets start building back up.

Also About me cheating i have cheated and i will be taking a step lower in the leadership roll and will have Kanman do as much as he can/wants but he doesn't like to deal to often in FA but i still run everything by him as to what is to be done and not and to make sure he is good with it.

This post here was done by me cause i felt i had to say something as a good friend of mine Devil left and it made me ponder that nothing new is happening in this game.

Also its not the matter of fact of being everyone one side its a matter of ending these long multiple sets of war and driving players away so we can bring in some players once we get good count of members nations stabilized then we can begin to have a platform on which wars can happen and they can end with no grudge and member count not affected.

As it is now wars just become world wars as we are so tight like prez said and that just hurts the game as we are at each others throats rather than concentrating on growing the community.

I want to see how it use to be. Average nation size was 30-35 and small nations were considered 15-20... large nations 50-60... We use to have all those elements which made this game diverse. Now its just 15-20 being considered Large and everything below that small their is no Middle class room and that brings the clustering of alliances to get "gang bangs" and we keep the cycle alive through warring because we got hit then you got hit and stuff like that, its become a routine and you know what we have been a huge reason for that. We started the cycle and it continues to go around in a circle of hatred, members of a nation that participated in that war hold grudges and the leaders have to react to it cause of the constraints on members we hold.

We need to come to the conclusion as a whole and im willing to pay for my mishaps as a leader, and my shadiness. But Mark my words nothing i have done was meant to hurt the community but it's in my eyes now that somethings we did actually did hurt or at least did not promote growth of the game.

AGAIN sorry for the long post i think i am becoming prez, just not as cool

Wow....... You and MR P. need to get together in a debate and try to see who will post the longest message.