Heated Debate

[Mahdi]

i have a loaded .45 ACP beside my bed and a clip laying right beside it and 5 feet from my bed i mearly have to get out of bed i have an SKS (7.62x39) with a full clip below it loaded with FMJ... and i have talked to the cops in this area if someone breaks into my house i have prefect right to shoot them but once they are down and cant move anymore i cant shoot them again unless they have a gun or some other type of weapon...


@ Acetriad Washington DC has one of the highest crime rates in all of America because you are not allowed to own a gun

[WoodPecker]

wow thats exactly what i would expect some ignorant dumb but american to say. look at western europe and canada

[Mahdi]

i hope your not talking bout me cuz i would never compare apples to oranges

[Acetriad]

OK. That's a starting point: Now, wouldn't it be better for the US to improve the opportunities for low income groups, and thereby enabling all kids born in social distress a real opportunity to create a decent future, without being relatively disadvantaged compared to other kids? 100% free education, 100% free health care to all etc.

Then they can begin to sing: "At the end of the storm there's a golden sky, and the sweet silver song of a lack". Social and economic policy is the solution - not guns.
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@Missionary:

First name: Validated / Location: Validated / Ability to fight: Validated....You still want me to believe, that you shouldn't be called Mr. Jones?

That is exactly what the problem is. I have no problem at all with giving someone a hand up. A hand out, I have a problem with. US education... or at least what passes for education in public schools these days is free up till senior (12th) year. Most punks and worthless types don't make it that far... although, I find it hard to blame them with the current system. And someone from a poor background can easily find a job without any help from the government... of course, the government will then attempt to cheat them out of every cent they can through taxes so they can give money to people who refuse to work. I'm not saying it's easy. It isn't. And that is why thugs and punks choose the easy path of robbing someone else who DOES do that hard work. If you were given the choice between getting shot robbing someone else's property to get by, or working for someone to get by, which would you choose?
Sure, the punks, the gangs and the lawbreakers don't need guns. We are talking about the law abiding citicens having guns.

That doesn't make any sense,and if it does, that should be only in US

lets say i wanna kill alot of ppl

I leave my door unlocked, open a window and start yelling and calling for desperate help, someone is walking by the street, hears me, get in to help me out and I shoot him. I can keep doing it everyday since I won't be breaking any law

Or how about inviting in someone that is trying to sell me something at the door, once he gets in bang, he's dead and he won't bother me more

Or lets say wanna break all killing records:

Call pizza delivery, once they get inside my property for delivery, bang he's dead
Mail yourself something, once the delivery man gets in, bang

Once you have a nice pile of boddies call the police and report robber, once they get in bang! **** another robber disguised as police Eventually you'll have to stop killing and let them take the bodies
I'm sure i can find some other ways if needed

Warlord, you of all people I could expect to either truely believe the tripe you just sprouted or play devil's advocate. I personally hope its the latter.
"I leave my door unlocked, open a window and start yelling and calling for desperate help" In a society that is armed, the people who come running to your help will be armed as well. If you start shooting at them, they will respond in kind... bringing more people to the scene. You have a right to defend your home, not to mass murder.

Call pizza delivery, once they get inside my property for delivery, bang he's dead
Mail yourself something, once the delivery man gets in, bang
Pretty much same as above.

Once you have a nice pile of boddies call the police and report robber, once they get in bang! **** another robber disguised as police Eventually you'll have to stop killing and let them take the bodies

What police? there would be very little need for police in this society. Why would police have to be called when the crinimal is allready dead? The only reason you need to poke holes in this theory is because either:
A:You know it would work, but you think it is to unfair to those poor crinimals
B:You are one of those people who like to take advantage of an unarmed society
or... C: you are living in a dreamworld where all crinimals; lazy ignorant pukes, rapeists, murderers, and worse can be habilitated into careing members of society by either throwing them in prison for a few years with a bunch of like-minded people so they can all compare notes, or by giving them a loving slap on the wrist and telling them not to be naughty anymore.

If I am completely off base, PLEASE further explain your argument.

i have a loaded .45 ACP beside my bed and a clip laying right beside it and 5 feet from my bed i mearly have to get out of bed i have an SKS (7.62x39) with a full clip below it loaded with FMJ... and i have talked to the cops in this area if someone breaks into my house i have prefect right to shoot them but once they are down and cant move anymore i cant shoot them again unless they have a gun or some other type of weapon...


@ Acetriad Washington DC has one of the highest crime rates in all of America because you are not allowed to own a gun

Thank you You have helped prove my point.... to those who will listen.

wow thats exactly what i would expect some ignorant dumb but american to say. look at western europe and canada

Ok, first off, I will not fault you for calling americans ignorant dumb buts. Because roughly 70% of the nation is. The other 30% don't know what to do about it. (and watch the language from now on it WILL be edited... thats your one warning.) And what about western europe? Read the newspaper some of the crap they throw up is true. Same with Canada. You want me to take you seriously Woody Woodpecker? Then come up with some real arguments or facts other than saying "look at china!" or some such driviel.

[Warl0rd]

I'm calling this thread that, because, thats what it will likely become, please, no personal insults, keep it clean.

If every household and place of business in America had guns in it, and if it was perfectly acceptable to shoot someone who was trying to rob you, or assult you or your property, what would happen?

Thought out answers please

You never said anything about being an armed society were ppl can carry a gun in the street and there's no police! you just said what would happen if you were allowed to shoot anyone inside your property.

[Missionary]

Vinny self defense works on ur property and remembr u live in UK i live in america

, oh yeah forgot about that. land of the free, full of free people with no common sence

we had a guy along time ago that live on a farm (i say we i mean UK not me personally) who was constantly getting his barn and sheds on his property broken into by some local kids. after chasing them off several times he was starting to get really p****d with them. next time they came they broke into his house. so he came down the stairs with a shotgun, the kid turned to run and the farmer shot him in the back.

the farmer is currently surveing a life sentance (i think) and the kid ended up sueing him because he "claimed" to not be able to walk, and he won. (later on the newspaper "the Sun" photoed the kid riding a bike and he ended up getting prosectuted aswel )

[Missionary]

If you start shooting at them, they will respond in kind... bringing more people to the scene.

not unless he is a half decent shot, all they will be doing is staining the blood boards.

@Missionary:

First name: Validated / Location: Validated / Ability to fight: Validated....You still want me to believe, that you shouldn't be called Mr. Jones?

, took me awile to get what you meant - and no, i shouldnt

[Acetriad]

I never said anything about no police. However, an armed society who were responsible for their own actions... well, the need for police would be lessened, to say the least. It just kind of goes without thinking.