Really Marine?

[Calvin74]

This is kind of why we got out of the Suicide marking business the first go around. It's too subjective and you can never really ever know the history of each instance.

The only way to be fair is to lay out the ground rules of what is suiciding. If you lay them out, people are going to poke holes and try and get around them. It is really a no win situation as someone is always going to be pissed off.

You hope people have the maturity to dish out the revenge and move on. But i guess considering the demographics of players that play this game, that is an unreasonable expectation across the board.

As someone who doesn't see eye to eye with the mentality of a suicider, the whole debate is utterly frustrating for me personally.

You are right. There is no conclusive way to tell a suicider from a person waging war. I wish this didn't even come up but when you have under 100 active players and 5-10% of them are suiciders it will come up pretty often. Especially when it is so easy for 1 person to do it three times in a set.

This may or may not have been a suicide. In my eyes a suicide is a war that has 0 end game for the attacker. Had we been farming this tag then they would be justified. Had we done unsolicited war attacks they would have a reason. There can't be any ingame reason for their attack as we didn't even know this two states in hiding existed. They have no hope to gain anything from this war. Even if a smaller tag wars a bigger tag for a reason and knows they will lose, they at least gain respect and stand up for themselves. Such was not the case here.


Also no action needs to be taken against these two states since the fast action by CR lead to their deaths almost before I even knew anything had happened.

It isn't the rules of the game that need to change it is the mentality of the players. I don't know how to make that happen so I fear for the game when over the last 5 years people have shown absolutely no growth in maturity. Kinda makes me feel sad as a human to see that as well.

[Tnova]

Blame me Calvin, for I neglected to tell you how unstable Marine Recon is when things don't go his way. He has a well documented history of erratic behaviour. And since i have been suicided by him twice, i should know.

You probably wouldn't have listened, because you are a fair guy and believe in second chances. But then I'd at least be able to say i told you so, and I'd be cool then

[Calvin74]

Blame me Calvin, for I neglected to tell you how unstable Marine Recon is when things don't go his way. He has a well documented history of erratic behaviour. And since i have been suicided by him twice, i should know.

You probably wouldn't have listened, because you are a fair guy and believe in second chances. But then I'd at least be able to say i told you so, and I'd be cool then

LOL
After he deleted his state everyone came up to me and asked me what I was doing. I still don't understand deleting your state when you are fighting for a top 3 spot and your nation is running great. I guess it really was that he didn't like me saying he screwed up with that lg on Sky.

And you can still say you told me so I just won't be as fun for you now

[pron]

Why would this have to go to a PM?

I contend that internal affairs of nation, and I would argue that's what this is, should be done in PM, as it simply becomes a spectacle to every onlooker outside of the nation.

But hey, that's just me Post away if you don't want to do it in PM.

[ooga booga]

I contend that internal affairs of nation, and I would argue that's what this is, should be done in PM, as it simply becomes a spectacle to every onlooker outside of the nation.

But hey, that's just me Post away if you don't want to do it in PM.

It's not really internal affairs. Z was never a part of CR, and Marine was only a part of it for about 2 weeks. It's semi-internal I guess, but it's nice to try and get what the reasons Z and Marine had for killing Calvin. Of course they will have no real good reason. I don't get it, what's' the point of having an individual grudge against Calvin? Was CR the one to originally kill Z? Idk I don't understand the mindset of some of these people...

[-Z-]

I enjoy attacking an enemy.

I do not enjoy leading friends to death.

Calvin asked if i understood what is was to lead a nation... I lead a successful nation for 40-50 sets.

I do understand the socialist philosophy that most nations hold, and I agree with it.

Quite frankly I grew tired of leading my men into fair battles, then getting gang banged people, on the grounds that we attacked first or w/e it may be.

My nation mates were and are my friends, and for now attacking alone or with another person that does not mind dieing for a reason makes sense to me.

The entire reason that Sky can get first ranks often is because they act Like Marine Recon was acting when he was in the running, except the entire nation of Sky co-operates by building NA for the Top states, and reselling their armies repeatedly to create national revenues for the top 1-3 states.

I find your support for Sky, and criticism of Marine in the same post frankly hypocritical.


Z

[Max Logan]

The entire reason that Sky can get first ranks often is because they act Like Marine Recon was acting when he was in the running, except the entire nation of Sky co-operates by building NA for the Top states, and reselling their armies repeatedly to create national revenues for the top 1-3 states.

I find your support for Sky, and criticism of Marine in the same post frankly hypocritical.

Did Sky suicide MR? Did Sky suicide CTU? I must`ve missed that!

[Calvin74]

I enjoy attacking an enemy.

I do not enjoy leading friends to death.

Calvin asked if i understood what is was to lead a nation... I lead a successful nation for 40-50 sets.

I do understand the socialist philosophy that most nations hold, and I agree with it.

Quite frankly I grew tired of leading my men into fair battles, then getting gang banged people, on the grounds that we attacked first or w/e it may be.

My nation mates were and are my friends, and for now attacking alone or with another person that does not mind dieing for a reason makes sense to me.

The entire reason that Sky can get first ranks often is because they act Like Marine Recon was acting when he was in the running, except the entire nation of Sky co-operates by building NA for the Top states, and reselling their armies repeatedly to create national revenues for the top 1-3 states.

I find your support for Sky, and criticism of Marine in the same post frankly hypocritical.


Z

I have to question whether you successfully lead nations if this is how you act. I criticized marine for his actions as a nation LEADER. Maybe I gave him to much credit in that caty. Sky works for all their members and it isn't only their leader that gets the top state. Many of their members have won sets before.
Also I don't remember a top Sky member deleting their state and then suiciding on the nation they just left later in the set. Do you not see the difference?