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    Alright, here is kind of a long rant (which could be covered in another thread, I'm not really sure because I'm only semi-active right now and haven't looked through other recent threads). Not really sure where this thread should fall into since it falls into suggestions, game, and community haha.

    IF YOU DON'T READ ANYTHING ELSE, AT LEAST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH!!!

    Anyways, how many of you are starting to feel like playing this game is becoming a chore more than a game? I know that for me I'm basically logging on at the same time every day, playing turns, logging off. The game and community (which was the biggest thing the game has/had going for it) are both dead.

    The game is predictable...Moradon wins the set with a bunch of sky states up there, same states play top 10-20 all set long, same states stock, same military unit horded. Can't really war to add excitement because there either aren't enough states to war and the FS wins or you run the risk of pushing others away by randomly warring them and "ruining their set." The community is dead too. I know its the summer months so things are almost always more quiet than they usually are, but we are averaging like 3 posts a day from a community that used to put out 20-30 a day even with dwindling numbers.

    There is NO interaction with new members either. Every set there are new members in USA that play like half a set running mixed strats/armies then they just leave. No attempt was made to contact and/or help out the player (blame falls on me here too). Now maybe there has been with private messages, but back in the day (old WoW) there would have been FWed messages welcoming/encouraging and helping out the new player.

    We have become too content with doing our own routines and the game has become stagnant, which is the biggest hindrance to our game. No gameplay update is going to bring in substantial members, it relies on US to make things exciting again. Try to think about this from a new player's mentality. You join the game, the market is bone dry, only the top 10 states numbers (NW) change, everyone else's numbers stays the exact same because they are stocking or not playing. There are no dead states to show that something is happening, just a bunch of boring, inactive ones.


    This is what got me hooked to the game...I went over to my cousins house who logged into the game to check and make sure his state was still alive because his nation was at war. He also checked to see when the next strike was and who their target was. Then he logged off. That was all it took to let me see how awesome of a game this was. What do new members have to look forward to now? Watching someone play 100 turns and then bank their money? Or be impressed that they are in 17th place....until they find out that its out of 40 active states? Let's face it, there is no excitement in the game any more and there won't be as long as we keep our routines and don't have any wars. And that won't change until we get more members.

    Pres, I love the new additions that you keep making to the game, but look at it rationally, these aren't going to bring in hundreds, or even tens of members. With the low player base noone is going change their routine. Everyone will keep doing the same predictable thing and the game will eventually die.

    So what can we do about this?

    First of all, what happened to all of the old players that just randomly left? When we first opened this (NW) up to estonians there were about 50 that played (only 10 remain). What happened to them? Where did the other common people go? The MAGGIOs, dbozmens, ooga boogs, Kenshins, Alis, Devils, etc. Or the people that used to show up every couple of sets and play then leave randomly for a few more: Legends, jameswheels, Vialis. Or what happened to the really old vets who haven't played since NW opened: The CurLys, gnorfs, Multi-182s, zionzeypher, etc. Has anyone tried contacting these people since NW opened?

    Secondly, the only thing that can probably save this game is ADVERTISING. Let's face it, we have probably gone as far as we can with word of mouth. So why can't we try other ways of drawing people to us. Joining other forums just to make a post about Nation-Wars or making an account to send Private messages to other members about the game. Worst-case scenario is that you waste 5 minutes of your time and get banned from a game/forum that you never would have done anything with anyways.



    I'm not trying to be over-critical, but its something that we are ALL doing and until it changes, the game never will no matter what changes Pres brings to the game.

    So here is my challenge to EACH and EVERYONE of you, make an account in a random game and either make a post in their forums or PM a few of their members advertising the game to them. Say that big changes are coming and that the game is about to be relaunched (because it is when the new attacks come out). If you get banned, big deal...not like you were ever would have visited that website if it weren't for recruiting anyways.


    Thanks for listening guys,
    -Crimson Shadow



    PS - I have sent a message to all nation leaders regarding this thread to have them forward it throughout their respective nations. If you haven't gotten one in your nation then please spread the word to the other players in your nation so we can try to get as much awareness about this issue as possible.
    Last edited by Crimson Shadow; 06-20-2011 at 20:53.

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    *tear falls from eyes with pride*

    You know things are bad when quiet crimson speaks out .. nice post and I 100% agree..

    One thing I would like to point out, I don't make changes based on gaining new members. Most of the changes are for the current ones, but also hoping it makes the game a little more enticing for new members.

    "You counted on America to be passive... You counted Wrong!"

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    I know the updates are mainly focused on current players, but if the focus isn't on bringing new new players the game will NEVER move forward. No matter how many updates you give the vets.

    We ALL know that this game has potential to getting back to a solid member base, but we are ALL TOO **** LAZY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! I don't know the financial situation, but my guess just on the game trends, is that if we don't do something now the game won't be around in 2012.

    Please guys, lets get out of this funk/routine and do something to fix this game before its too late! It is fixable, but only with ALL of our help.

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    there was just a reunion set in MD in earth empires so that is a group getting back together and i think there are people there that will come over.
    I know ComCap is recruiting a few people from MD and he is in his 1st set there. The more people we can get into that game and into the other tags there the more people we can get over here. when this game was huge there were tons of people from that game that made a huge impact on this game

    after another set or two over there i will be pushing to try and get enough of them here to play in a real MD tag (of course I will tell MD that it is to recruit for them so this can be a win win for both)


    also i don't think it is really the game that has changed. it has gotten stale because the community has allowed it to get stale. there are not enough people posting on the forums, there are too many forums for people to have to wade through (i honestly think we should go down to 5 forums) and there is no communication OUTSIDE of the game. i never see anyone on msn anymore. i know i don't get on there as much but THAT is what made the game fun.
    i can give mr p suggestions to help the game till the end of time but until people start to make it their own, take pride in your clan, your state, and yourself it won't change either.
    people here need to start pushing, learning everything they can learn about the game, move around more and most of all just start having fun again!

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    I am with ya. I quit for a while myself and really came back for the people. Problem is, there is no community any more. No true interaction. I too have wondered where is 101st, Dave anton et al. Heck I don't even know if itty is playing. Random wars is not the answer. The main reason there are no wars is because there isn't any fire in anyone's belly. No one cares.

    Look at the market. no food no armament to really speak of. I find myself logging in, seeing no food, buy from the black market and running a mixed state with farms.

    I am not a true gamer, in the truest sense of the word. I don't play any other games as I only play this one because of my cyber-friends HERE.
    There is no greater sin than apathy


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    Quote Originally Posted by ranger2112 View Post
    I am with ya. I quit for a while myself and really came back for the people. Problem is, there is no community any more. No true interaction. I too have wondered where is 101st, Dave anton et al. Heck I don't even know if itty is playing. Random wars is not the answer. The main reason there are no wars is because there isn't any fire in anyone's belly. No one cares.

    Look at the market. no food no armament to really speak of. I find myself logging in, seeing no food, buy from the black market and running a mixed state with farms.

    I am not a true gamer, in the truest sense of the word. I don't play any other games as I only play this one because of my cyber-friends HERE.


    you fix the market and the losses in attacks and i will provide the food

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    hey i'm having fun. And for the first time in a long time sky lost a straight networth battle without them being warred. it took work from the whole nation to accomplish but we did it just last month.

    anyways, i'm almost always working with at least 1 new player, but taking on too much burns me out.

    Gnorf still says he will someday play again, when that will be i have no idea.

    we have had a few quiet months in a row here, but hell warring too many months in a row burns me out too. i really believe recruitment threads, or old histories of your nation are needed to give some players the great history of the game, and your nation itself. i remember that was one of the things i love about DAK, gnorfs history of it from its beginning was GREAT!

    i know ali's recruitment messages were always extremely well done.

    anyways, we have a few vets who still stop in now again. that old SOUL player was here just a few months ago, can't remember her name though. played a set in USA, then made a war nation FEDx i think it was. so they still stop in now again, just maybe not the ones you remember

    i'm excited about comp's nation, and i hope it does well.

    now i like the idea of throwing a few posts around at random games and i gotta make a plug about blade being a champ. yea blade rock on bro!

    and concerning the new attack and missile's in the game, i'm really not liking it. if we were concerned about the top 1 state getting untouchable, that really only happens in the last week of the month. and even then its very doable. just look at the top 10 states of all time.

    1 $901.447.779 State: Moradon, Kris(#11)
    Spies (8) 12.868.504
    Infantry (8) 145.663.507
    Tanks (8) 0
    Jets(1) 50.013
    Bombers(1) 0
    SAM(8) 38.012.492
    Ships(8) 381.759.496

    full stocker can AR break, not easily, but very doable.

    1 $770.000.000 cosmic girl, Muinasjutumaa(#4) February, 2009
    Spies (8) 17.637.086
    Infantry (8) 220.429.152
    Tanks (1) 0
    Jets(1) 0
    Bombers(1) 0
    SAM(8) 63.577.989
    Ships(8) 307.610.530

    an easy GA break.

    1 $762.974.395 cosmic girl, Muinasjutumaa(#4)
    Spies (8) 14.444.437
    Infantry (8) 136.062.753
    Tanks (1) 0
    Jets(1) 0
    Bombers(1) 0
    SAM(8) 50.572.256
    Ships(8) 315.328.093

    another easy GA break.

    1 $716.481.929 vussuland, vussu(#41)
    Spies (8) 17.637.086
    Infantry (8) 220.429.152
    Tanks (1) 0
    Jets(1) 0
    Bombers(1) 0
    SAM(8) 63.577.989
    Ships(8) 307.610.530

    GA break again.

    and i can continue on down the line. they all have a weakness somewhere. now can you do it alone with no nation army expanding all month? no. But if you were serious about it absolutely.

    point is, do we really want to strip the top state, who invests the time in, of any chance of defending themselves for some random guy?

    now i know we haven't had a top state knocked out of the running awhile, but i'm just saying i enjoy making it a challenge to kill the top state in the game. really you only reach close to untouchable with about a week left in the month.

    i'm rambling now, but there i said it!
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    Nation Wars-[SOUL]x2-[vT]x1-[GRIM]x1-[xELDx]x9-[ABT]x10-[ICN]x1-[bro]x1-[LOR]x6

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    Also Crimson a lot of the training of new members happens inside the nations forums. The message system isn't used as much as it use to be back in the day. Now granted I don't train like I use to, mainly cause I just don't have the free time, but I still shoot a message as often as I can, and a lot of others help out as well.

    USA is about the only one who really uses their in game forums much. As for getting new members, I would love to advertise but we really don't have it in the budget. Yes we could take a risk and spend the money I have saved to pay for the server, but if it fails we are screwed. We have had a few people purchase a premium account the past couple of months and that has been really nice, but that money needs to go to server costs. I will try to budget some money out of my own pocket to cover a small advertising budget and we'll see how that works out. It's worth a shot I guess..

    But unless the members we have really step up and do all they can, I don't see it changing much. Heck I even offered a 100 dollar reward to the member who got the most active referrals and that didn't work.. I'm kinda out of ideas so anything anyone has to offer would be great.

    Other than Oil (and that will be a while) I don't have any other main changes to the game in the near future. Of course if someone has a good idea then I will work on getting it implemented. I'll hold off on the loans if that's what you all want. (perhaps we need a vote on this). I just thought it would be something new and interesting to be able to do in the game and maybe spark some wars or stir the pot a little.

    "You counted on America to be passive... You counted Wrong!"

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    *Smells a tl;dr!!* er, don't leave!! I got three ideas here!!!!!

    From a newbies point of view, the *worst* thing about the game is the fact that every round, all states are deleted except us nice paying players. That's the greatest way to make a game look *really* dead, and I've *never* understood why the states get deleted every set instead of simply reset!!!!!! The last thing you want is the attack page to look like there are few players!!!

    Here's an example of what not deleting does. A few months ago I was looking for more round based games to play. I found ww2game, and when I went to the attack page, I was shocked to see a few THOUSAND accounts!!!! So I started playing, and by the time I realized there was maybe 100 active players, I was already hooked. I *really* liked seeing a LOT of players that I could attack and get really nice cash!!! I had joined five days before the three week round ended, and even the inactive accounts had really nice money, and I ended the round ranking...15. I was hooked!!!

    If the accounts here were simply reset every round with the state showing up, and some how they were useful for new players, that would really help keep new players from leaving after being here for 10 minutes. In the ww2game game, every one get's income each turn based on the size of their army which makes all the accounts useful. If every account here got just one free extra piece of land every turn, that would give the new players more than enough stuff to do when they start. 144 pieces of land added a day. Low enough to keep us actives from touching the inactive accounts, but enough for the new players to have nice players to go after when they start attacking. And I think it would be a fair advantage for new players that start the round late, since they don't have all those turns to use that were generated before they registered.

    About the game changes, I haven't seen very many useful game changes this year, other than ones like a lower time wait on the market, Casher Strat boost, and *maybe* the attack changes. All the UN changes are useless for 90% of us actives since we can't even go in to the UN, unless we make a one player nation!!! I don't see very much use from the loan idea! Nations all seem to do just fine with the tax cash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin74 View Post
    there was just a reunion set in MD in earth empires so that is a group getting back together
    Earth Empires could *easily* be a gold mine for getting new members here. If some one got really good at the game, in the Alliance version, then had their own alliance that ranked very well, then recruited players to the alliance and then in the alliance, promoted this game every so often, you could easily get a flood of players here.

    Here's an idea, if some one here played the one week speed version a few times and got good enough to end the round ranking in the top 10, they could then post their strategy here in as much detail as possible, join the alliance version and make an alliance. Then a bunch of us join the game and join the alliance. (Don't name it Nation Wars, that'll quickly give off the real reason of the alliance!!) We then play the game using your guide, and make the alliance rank pretty close to #1. Then we recruit like crazy to the alliance. And who's not going to say no to an invitation to one of the top 5 ranking alliances??!! Then every so often, we mention this game in the alliance. There's no need to spam forums at all when you got a game called Earth Empires!!!!!! I think a lot of the players would like NW better.

    Which version of Earth Empires is MD in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin74 View Post
    you fix the market and the losses in attacks and i will provide the food
    Simply having a bank that was useful longer than 10 days would be enough for me to keep providing food!!! I got 1,043,353,566 food sitting around and collecting dust!!!!! *ducks* We should try just ONE round with no bank cap, and see how it goes. By the 20th of the month we'll easily know!! That would do more good than nation loans!!
    Last edited by Ragnar; 06-20-2011 at 23:52. Reason: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
    Main Game firsts...

    First to get billions in Networth.
    First to get trillions in cash.

    Then my nation was rolled back!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Shadow View Post
    Alright, here is kind of a long rant (which could be covered in another thread, I'm not really sure because I'm only semi-active right now and haven't looked through other recent threads). Not really sure where this thread should fall into since it falls into suggestions, game, and community haha.

    IF YOU DON'T READ ANYTHING ELSE, AT LEAST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH!!!

    Anyways, how many of you are starting to feel like playing this game is becoming a chore more than a game? I know that for me I'm basically logging on at the same time every day, playing turns, logging off. The game and community (which was the biggest thing the game has/had going for it) are both dead.

    The game is predictable...Moradon wins the set with a bunch of sky states up there, same states play top 10-20 all set long, same states stock, same military unit horded. Can't really war to add excitement because there either aren't enough states to war and the FS wins or you run the risk of pushing others away by randomly warring them and "ruining their set." The community is dead too. I know its the summer months so things are almost always more quiet than they usually are, but we are averaging like 3 posts a day from a community that used to put out 20-30 a day even with dwindling numbers.

    There is NO interaction with new members either. Every set there are new members in USA that play like half a set running mixed strats/armies then they just leave. No attempt was made to contact and/or help out the player (blame falls on me here too). Now maybe there has been with private messages, but back in the day (old WoW) there would have been FWed messages welcoming/encouraging and helping out the new player.

    We have become too content with doing our own routines and the game has become stagnant, which is the biggest hindrance to our game. No gameplay update is going to bring in substantial members, it relies on US to make things exciting again. Try to think about this from a new player's mentality. You join the game, the market is bone dry, only the top 10 states numbers (NW) change, everyone else's numbers stays the exact same because they are stocking or not playing. There are no dead states to show that something is happening, just a bunch of boring, inactive ones.


    This is what got me hooked to the game...I went over to my cousins house who logged into the game to check and make sure his state was still alive because his nation was at war. He also checked to see when the next strike was and who their target was. Then he logged off. That was all it took to let me see how awesome of a game this was. What do new members have to look forward to now? Watching someone play 100 turns and then bank their money? Or be impressed that they are in 17th place....until they find out that its out of 40 active states? Let's face it, there is no excitement in the game any more and there won't be as long as we keep our routines and don't have any wars. And that won't change until we get more members.

    Pres, I love the new additions that you keep making to the game, but look at it rationally, these aren't going to bring in hundreds, or even tens of members. With the low player base noone is going change their routine. Everyone will keep doing the same predictable thing and the game will eventually die.

    So what can we do about this?

    First of all, what happened to all of the old players that just randomly left? When we first opened this (NW) up to estonians there were about 50 that played (only 10 remain). What happened to them? Where did the other common people go? The MAGGIOs, dbozmens, ooga boogs, Kenshins, Alis, Devils, etc. Or the people that used to show up every couple of sets and play then leave randomly for a few more: Legends, jameswheels, Vialis. Or what happened to the really old vets who haven't played since NW opened: The CurLys, gnorfs, Multi-182s, zionzeypher, etc. Has anyone tried contacting these people since NW opened?

    Secondly, the only thing that can probably save this game is ADVERTISING. Let's face it, we have probably gone as far as we can with word of mouth. So why can't we try other ways of drawing people to us. Joining other forums just to make a post about Nation-Wars or making an account to send Private messages to other members about the game. Worst-case scenario is that you waste 5 minutes of your time and get banned from a game/forum that you never would have done anything with anyways.



    I'm not trying to be over-critical, but its something that we are ALL doing and until it changes, the game never will no matter what changes Pres brings to the game.

    So here is my challenge to EACH and EVERYONE of you, make an account in a random game and either make a post in their forums or PM a few of their members advertising the game to them. Say that big changes are coming and that the game is about to be relaunched (because it is when the new attacks come out). If you get banned, big deal...not like you were ever would have visited that website if it weren't for recruiting anyways.


    Thanks for listening guys,
    -Crimson Shadow



    PS - I have sent a message to all nation leaders regarding this thread to have them forward it throughout their respective nations. If you haven't gotten one in your nation then please spread the word to the other players in your nation so we can try to get as much awareness about this issue as possible.
    i hear you but the problem for me is that i these days just dont have the time to be as active as i once was i barely have time to play a lazy state...

    i used to be rather active when i started wow in 2001 sometime or other had my own nation running wich was very active... now the reason for it being so active was that first of all we had great internal coms everyone had icq for example and we had our own irc chan to hang around in and an off game nation forum site. The game comunity was very active aswell due to the fact that it also had an irc chan that you could just idle in thus people who had question could get instant help for example and ppl got to know each other.
    now for me and i'm rather sure it goes for calvin to we dont play the game to be the best we play it because of the friends we have made

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