Gems of wisdom from the Republican Party

[Dogma]

Dammit , why is this thread going while my computer is down, typing on phone sux!!!

One question Maggio, well maybe a couple but on the same subject. 1. You said the free contraception will protect or aid in the health off 100 million women, my question is, when.did pregnancy become hazardous to your health, as a woman?

2. If we are to pay for these women to get free contraception, do I get my viagra for free too.? They both do the same thing,allow us to have sex at will. Every pill ever produced say straight on label, "does not protect from STD"s"

[MAGGIO]

it also includes health services so

a. we dont need anyone more population
b. preventative services such as STD screening, HPV vaccinations, Uteran Cancer screening, and breast cancer screening are all in the mix too. those are all very important.

those are what planned parenthood mostly does too

sorry your pc is down, i know your chomping on the bit.





ALSO i didnt mean to really BLAME bush, but I did want to show GOOD progress under Obama, so when you hear that there is not they are misinforming america.

[Dogma]

dogma if you really think the economy started to tank in 2008 you need to check your facts. It started way before that with bush. The effects of what he did started to show in 2008. Don't be fed the same bs fox news does

No, you're right, it did start prior to, but it came from the housing loan industry especially Fannie May and Freddy Mac. It was them loaning money to people who clearly couldn't afford it. That started from the housing shortage and jump in demand after hurricane Katrina and I guess that was entirely GWB' s fault too.

Only one person has ever been charged witha any kind of charges or repercussions was...drum roll...Charley Rangle - not a republican.

[Dogma]

So now you are telling me you are in favor of state sponcored population control?????

it also includes health services so

a. we dont need anyone more population
b. preventative services such as STD screening, HPV vaccinations, Uteran Cancer screening, and breast cancer screening are all in the mix too. those are all very important.

those are what planned parenthood mostly does too

sorry your pc is down, i know your chomping on the bit.





ALSO i didnt mean to really BLAME bush, but I did want to show GOOD progress under Obama, so when you hear that there is not they are misinforming america.

Do I get my "male" health care for free too?? Does my wife, who isn't of child bearing age anymore, not get hers free too just. because she doesn't need birth control???

[MAGGIO]

your wife does just like every women, but NOT FOR FREE, but with out co pay (you pay for the insurance already). it says that the health insurance companies must provide it with out a co pay. so if you have insurance then no co pay. if you have no insurance then you need to go somewhere else to get help for free or reduced like planned parenthood, or a free clinic etc...

Effective August 1, 2012

• All new plans must cover certain preventive services such as mammograms and colonoscopies without charging a deductible, co-pay or coinsurance. Women's Preventive Services – including: well-woman visits; gestational diabetes screening; human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA testing for women age 30 and older; sexually transmitted infection counseling; human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) screening and counseling; FDA-approved contraceptive methods and contraceptive counseling; breastfeeding support, supplies and counseling; and domestic violence screening and counseling - will be covered without cost sharing. ^[86]

This is also known as the contraceptive mandate.^[63][87]

so as you see, NOTHING is given away for free, you still have to PAY for the insurance.

If you are on medicaid all of these things are w/o co pay too EXCEPT you do not pay for the insurance or you get it at a reduced rate but that is a different program with different details.

[Dogma]

How can you not afford a co pay if you can afford insurance? What is a co pay these days, I know my BCBS is $20 per Dr visit and $40 for a specialist. Co pays can't be the problem.

I also don't' agree that the government has any right nor authority to make demands on institutions to offer services that go against their religious beliefs. ie Requiring all employers offer birth control. If these people who work for the institutions cannot abide by the benefits of employment as laid out by the institution, go work somewhere else.

What happens when the obesity problem in this country is deemed so bad that something must be done to cut health care costs and they determine that large fries are the reason for obesity, do you support them banning large fries? Stopping people fishing will stop all fish hook related injuries and health care costs. Where does the bureaucracy end?

This is a very slippery slope and I don't think people understand the power that having "universal health care" will eventually have over the people. I know, go ahead and say it but I am not a conspiracy theorist I just don't believe that the government is the do all know all of all that I or anyone else should do or how we live our lives. This is the antithesis of liberty.

Don't get me wrong I am not against government help as all of you know I am on disability and receive medicare benefits, but the culture of entitlements have got to be dealt with. When you have generations after generation of welfare recipients, something is wrong with the system. This is not a new thing nor is it a Democrat of Republican thing it is a morality thing. Help those that can't, screw those who won't. The mismanagement of the last 4 years both home and abroad is ridiculous.

And what about my question about whether or not you are a proponent of state sponsored population control?

[MAGGIO]

I dont think its the co pays as much as it is the deductables. low co pay insurance is too expensive for MOST especially if they have to pay for it w/o the assistance of a group plan like through an employer.

Regardless, the hand full of women effected because they work for a relegious based company vs. the 100+ million women this will help....

btw you can also look at this as a tax break on the middle class if you what to get stupid with words, it definately puts a few more meals on the table for families that need the extra help.

ALSO I do support an extra tax on sugary drinks, and foods abused that result in obesity. I would rather pick and choose what I pay tax on simular to cigerettes, and alcohal rathan than see a blanket tax increase such as sales tax or property tax. I do not support the BAN of these types of food or drink, but the people who want to abuse them selves should pay the price, NOT ME.

Also I do support that people who do not carry insurance should pay a fine, because Im sick and tired of footing the bill for ignorant people using the ER as their Primary Care Physician.

[DevilDog]

This will be the only response I make to this one but if one will remember correctly, the democratic party took over the house and senate in 2008. That is when the economy started to tank. Just a reminder, the president can't write a check. The practice of partisan non cooperation really li ked in at that point. The administrative branch of the US govt was basically ineffective from that point forward. The house and senate, whi h is where the real power lies, refused to work with the administration. Without bipartisan cooperation is the only way to bring the economy back to what it was.

You are 100% correct in everything you've written, Dems like to forget that they controlled everything and got nothing done. I also agree with you that bipartisan is the only way however I feel that's something the current President has not tried one bit and I can only hope that the next one doesn't follow his actions. (or he'll need to go too)

[DevilDog]

dogma if you really think the economy started to tank in 2008 you need to check your facts. It started way before that with bush. The effects of what he did started to show in 2008. Don't be fed the same bs fox news does

*yawn* The blaming Bush and Foxnews thing is so outdated. Instead of tryng to blame maybe you should check your facts because like Dogama he isn't the only one to blame it's just he's the easiest.

[MellonColly]

so obama did all this to the economy?