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[Minimus]

Talk about kids turning to the darkside. If some 10 year old is reading this and sees that Dogma killed Superman, he'll turn to drugs for sure. Before you think I'm "high" or something, I'm referring to his signature. No, I'm not drunk at the moment. God save the Yankees.

[ranger2112]

yes this is mr p's forum
yes he has absolute control
yes he does show plenty bend in that control
yes i do not want my kids to do drugs/abuse alcohol

no they are smart enough to use their own head and make decisions based on their upbringing. do good kids go bad? sure all the time, however, it wasnt someone sharing their high story or hearing it in a rap song or listening to willie nelson. it was either because they were curious or were just trying to numb some pain.

my whole point of posting was not to bash the TOS about no excessine drug talk or to disparage anyones opinion or level of pain. it is simple, as a society we are becoming so PC that we cannot even express ourselves without fear some group will be offended and want to make a stink of it. that people make their own choices, good or bad. we can only help someone if the ask for it. forced help will always be met with resistance and a closed mind.



p.s. mr p...i didnt say watch what i say in here..in fact i put in parenthesi(not here really) to stress that the focus of my point was more using this thread as an example of my view of the world as a whole.

[Dogma]

yes this is mr p's forum
yes he has absolute control
yes he does show plenty bend in that control
yes i do not want my kids to do drugs/abuse alcohol

no they are smart enough to use their own head and make decisions based on their upbringing. do good kids go bad? sure all the time, however, it wasnt someone sharing their high story or hearing it in a rap song or listening to willie nelson. it was either because they were curious or were just trying to numb some pain.

my whole point of posting was not to bash the TOS about no excessine drug talk or to disparage anyones opinion or level of pain. it is simple, as a society we are becoming so PC that we cannot even express ourselves without fear some group will be offended and want to make a stink of it. that people make their own choices, good or bad. we can only help someone if the ask for it. forced help will always be met with resistance and a closed mind.



p.s. mr p...i didnt say watch what i say in here..in fact i put in parenthesi(not here really) to stress that the focus of my point was more using this thread as an example of my view of the world as a whole.

And a closed mind is what I see. I am not advocating PC or whatever you call it, I am talking about social responsibility, there is none anymore and our society shows it, so ggo, do as you wish, no one else matters it is all about personal happiness. So be it.

I am done, but i do see there will be many more on m,y block list from now on. I CHOOSE not to associate with ppl that care so little of our society that their own agenda trumps what is right.And get my point I CHOOSE.

[Saunders241]

Just throwing my 2 cents in....

For what its worth, I can see both sides of this. Yeah, its gotten to the point where drugs of any sort as well as alcohol are pretty much just as much a part of our society as, say, sunday afternoon (american) football or college basketball or anything else like that. We all know someone who drinks too much, or might know someone who smokes weed and does nothing else or have lost friends or loved ones to overdoses (I'm lucky on that one, have known several who OD'd, and I've had alcohol poisoning a couple times, but no deaths). I mean, when one of the best shows on Showtime (Weeds) is a (kinda) comedy about a weed dealer, it's mainstream. Yeah, it sucks. But it's there and always will be, and no matter how much we try to hide it or the fact that some of us on here choose to use whatever drugs they want to or get drunk as often as they do. Alcohol is legal (at least in the US, not sure about other countries laws) at age 21, and there's currently a movement to legalize weed in California that actually stands a chance at passing. By saying we can't talk about drinking/getting drunk, or if it passes smoking up, its almost like the people who can legally do these things are getting punished because they choose to do something that isn't against the law (don't get me started on that one, I'm a proud cigarette smoker, and any smoker, at least in the US, knows what I mean by that).

But at the same time, I can see Mr. P's (and Dogma's) outlook on this. I don't know the ages of everyone on here, and who knows how many kids may look over their parent's shoulders at the forums while they're on here doing whatever and see how so-and-so is so high/wasted/baked/whatever. I know I wouldn't want to be the one to explain to my girlfriend's (or possibly one day my own kids) what someone ment by "rolling a fat one" or something like that. And I DEFINATELY wouldn't want to be in Mr. P's position, having to ultimately be the one who answers for what happens on his webspace. It can almost look like he condones stuff like that by letting them take place on here out in the open. I know some days it irritates me to get on and see the shoutbox full of stuff about how drunk someone is.

I support Mr. P. on whatever he decides to do, even though I'm not one of the more active forum members. I do have a suggestion if this keeps going though....Keep the ban on drugs/drunk talk on the main forums, but if its wanted, perhaps start a "Spam" section where stuff like this is allowed (definately no porn/warez/stuff like that, just more "grown up" topics), but make it known that the topics discussed aren't representative of the owners/non participating members of the forums/game, and that all members who post in that section are solely responsible for their actions. Then whoever wants to can post away about how drunk they got last night or whatever without having to subject people who want no part of it to any of it....sorta like how some video stores have a back room with the adult dvd's that you have to show id and choose to go into.

[Mr President]

Nice post...

I'm def not trying to punish anyone. I'm simply trying to clean up the streets a little. Not all members are excited to hear that so and so is stoned for the 17th time this week.

Nobody is outright banning talk of drugs or booze. I'm simply asking that we start talking a little less about it. I will never condone drug use or drinking to much and raving about how great it is on these forums.

Z's post was not the reason for this. I actually planned on saying something about it last week but i forgot. But his post was a prime example of what i am talking about.

Drugs are a part of our time now.. More then ever. It is sad, but hey... to each his own. But i am asking that we all have some respect for everyone else in here.. As some are not as fond of it as others. I see no reason why members who choose to talk about this can't make a chat room on MSN or AIM or whatever and discuss it there... You can call it " the doobie chat"

[KLL]

I mean, when one of the best shows on Showtime (Weeds) is a (kinda) comedy about a weed dealer, it's mainstream.

I never heared about anyone ODing on weed tho. Some scientists actually say its safer than alcohol.

But I still can'T see why there is actually a discussion on this.

[Saunders241]

I never heared about anyone ODing on weed tho. Some scientists actually say its safer than alcohol.

But I still can'T see why there is actually a discussion on this.

The Weeds thing wasn't meant as a statement about the drug itself, just saying that when a show about a drug dealer is as popular as Weeds is, then its kinda a sign that drugs are a part of mainstream society.....

[FriM46]

kids shouldnt be exposed to threads/posts about drugs and their potential effects.
like, if i began posting how awesome MDMA is, how its literally one of the best drugs
there is and gives you an awesome sensation etc then they might want to take it...which
is wrong...they shouldn't be influenced and should make their own decision. as such i
believe we shouldn't post about drugs here so that under age kids dont get ideas.
however, the only underage kid here in this game is Chris so an easier solution would
be for everyone to put him on their ignore list/block him so he doesn't see any posts.
then we can talk about drugs freely

Kids are gonna be influenced even worse by the kids at school, so you can't stop them from doin anythin. If they're friends are doin it theres a good chance they will too.

[ranger2112]

And a closed mind is what I see. I am not advocating PC or whatever you call it, I am talking about social responsibility, there is none anymore and our society shows it, so ggo, do as you wish, no one else matters it is all about personal happiness. So be it.

I am done, but i do see there will be many more on m,y block list from now on. I CHOOSE not to associate with ppl that care so little of our society that their own agenda trumps what is right.And get my point I CHOOSE.

Dogma Dogma...brother

I am not saying we should all take to the streets unfettered by responsibility..living a bad 70's movie lifestyle. and I AM NOT CLOSED MINDED...closed mindedness is when someone cannot see beyond their own understanding of things nor tries. someone who, say was raised a certain way and believes that to be the only right way or maybe someone who has been through the ringer in life and has nothing but pain and grief to keep him/her company....those things can narrow your view. i do not advocate using drugs or abusing alcohol...understand this..i don advocate having full length convos on this forum about them either(((show me more than say three post other than this thread where i hve even mentioned drugs))) but what i do advocate is that society, govt and people in general seem to all thinki they know whats best for me whether i flicking like it or not....and that is MY ONLY FRACKING POINT!!!! yes we need to be socially responsible, however, when does it cross the line from responsibility to control?? when do i say to a friend "ok you are abusing booze..." after his third? seventh? 25th? force him into rehab? or wait til he kills someone by driving drunk? I understand that we all want to do right and feel like we could have done more to help someone....but dang when do u STOP? do you snatch the cigarette out of someone's mouth because someone u know died of lung cancer? do you snatch the fried foods from someone's plate because someone died of obesity? when does your social responsibility stop and my own civil liberties begin?

[ranger2112]

o and by the way...if you want to block me for expressing an opinion and "not associate" that is your god given right...but seems a narrow and "closed-minded" approach. when friends cannot disagree and have a productive conversations on opposite sides of the spectrum and come out the other end of it still civil...then the one starting the hostilities is the one with the issues, not the other participant. so please reconsider your position on this...since i am the type that can have a strong heated convo with someone and come out just fine, however, if someone chooses to "bar" me from their lives because my opinion differs from theirs then their company isnt and WILL NEVER be welcome.